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Final: iPod mini battery tests

The results are in: after last week’s initial tests of the iPod mini’s battery performance, we noted that we were cautiously optimistic that Apple had quietly remedied certain issues of concern to iPod users, most importantly accurately estimating the mini’s duration of continuous playback. Mid-week, we updated our findings to reflect surprising intermediate results, and now after a series of eleven tests, we have reached several conclusions that might interest potential iPod mini buyers.

Three Types of Tests

We performed a total of three types of tests on the iPod mini, two of which were documented in our previous reviews and report, and one of which is new.

Type A consisted of a full recharge and discharge of the iPod mini’s battery without user intervention or backlighting, using “shuffle songs” mode, no equalizers, and 50% volume with headphones attached.

Type B was identical to Type A except that “shuffle songs” mode was disabled and the iPod was instead allowed to play continuously in sequence through its song list. We did not expect to see a significant difference between the iPod mini’s performance on Types A and B, because in both cases the mini was given complete control over the caching of songs, regardless of the order in which they were played back.

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Our third test was an attempt to duplicate results achieved by Walter Mossberg of the Wall Street Journal, using the same testing mechanism he tried with two pre-production iPod minis some weeks ago. (Thank you, Mr. Mossberg, for contacting us to share your testing conditions.) Like our Type A test, Mr. Mossberg used shuffled playback, but he also set the iPod minis on 75% volume and turned the Vocal Booster equalizer setting on, each of which adds to the strain on the battery.

Type A Test Results

For reasons further described below, after printing our intermediate findings, we concentrated the majority of our remaining testing efforts on Type A-style tests. Initially, the iPod mini had failed to meet Apple’s estimates in this type of testing, falling below six hours on its first test and barely exceeding that on its second.

However, after each Type A test, we saw that the iPod mini’s performance improved, eventually exceeding Apple’s estimates by over an hour and a half in three successive tests. In fact, the mini eventually delivered ten hours and ten minutes of continuous playback, coming within half an hour of Walter Mossberg’s ten hour and forty minute performance.

  • Test 1: iPod mini hits 10% at 5 hours playback, 0% at 5:20, dies at 5:45.
  • Test 3: iPod mini hits 10% at 5:33, 0% at 6 hours, dies at 6:19.
  • Test 7: iPod mini hits 10% at 8:55, 0% at 9:22, dies at 9:39.
  • Test 8: iPod mini hits 10% at 8:43, 0% at 9:23, dies at 9:46.
  • Test 9: iPod mini hits 10% at 9:21, 0% at 9:54, dies at 10:10.

For comparison’s sake, we ran a Type A test on a third-generation iPod that had been discharged and recharged over the course of many months, and found that it came within ten minutes of Apple’s estimated eight-hour battery life:

Test 5: 3G iPod hits 10% at 7:14, 0% at 7:29, dies at 7:50.

By Test 7, and continuously through Test 9, the mini’s battery appeared over time to outperform the third-generation iPod under similar (though not scientifically identical) Type A testing conditions. We had seen similar better-than-3G results for the mini in Type B tests, but were not sure whether the mini and 3G iPods were behaving truly differently, or whether the iPod mini’s battery was still being broken in.

Our working assumption at this point is that after approximately five discharges and recharges of the battery, the iPod mini is capable of consistently delivering power performance near or exceeding Apple’s estimates. Prior to that, we assume, it may not charge or discharge as efficiently or predictably, yielding the discrepancy in results we saw during our first four tests. We had not changed any of the testing conditions or the audio library on the iPod mini, or used the device for leisure listening during our test period. Therefore, holding everything else equal, we can only assume that the performance improvements came from an increasingly broken-in battery.

Type B Test Results

After printing our intermediate Type B findings, in which the iPod mini exceeded Apple’s estimates by approximately one or two hours, we did not continue to run further Type B tests. Though we continue to caution readers that Type B does not represent realistic usage conditions for typical iPod users, the use of smart playlists and other non-interactive forms of continuous audio playback will yield relatively impressive performance times such as these.

  • Test 2: iPod mini hits 10% at 7:50, 0% at 8:49, dies at 8:58.
  • Test 4: iPod mini hits 10% at 8:42, 0% at 9:40, dies at 9:56.
  • Test 6: iPod 3G hits 10% at 7:10, 0% at 7:30, dies at 7:48.

Even nearly fresh out of the box, the iPod mini outperformed a well-primed 3G iPod by over an hour on its first test, and over two hours on its second. We believe that battery priming is most likely the reason our comparative test of the third-generation iPod yielded results consistent with Apple’s stated estimate, and statistically almost identical to the 3G iPod’s performance in Type A testing.

We can only assume that another run of this test, slanted as much as it is towards battery conservation, would now yield results matching Walter Mossberg’s best time, given that our iPod mini’s battery has had additional burn-in time since we ran these Type B tests days ago. But instead of running this easy test, we decided to run Mr. Mossberg’s more demanding test and see how our mini would perform.

Walter Mossberg Test Results

Our final two tests of the iPod mini duplicated the test conditions used by the Wall Street Journal’s Walter Mossberg on two pre-production iPod minis sent for review by Apple. For reference, Mr. Mossberg achieved three scores across two iPod minis: 7:46, 9:15 and 10:40, or two to nearly five hours better than our first Type A test.

We administered our tenth total test at the relative peak of the mini’s performance, following Test 9’s ten-hour, ten-minute Type A result, and we were not expecting a substantial difference when this test was run. But we were surprised.

Test 10: iPod mini hits 10% at 6:28, 0% at 7:08, and dies at 7:27.

Puzzling? Yes. We were going to call an end to our testing after ten successive runs, but we had to run one more test to see whether our results necessarily varied that dramatically from Mr. Mossberg’s findings. And they did.

Test 11: iPod mini hits 10% at 6:32, 0% at 7:04, and dies at 7:19.

When Test 10 had concluded, we wanted to believe that the iPod’s battery was merely experiencing occasional hiccups. After Test 11, that possibility became harder to believe. These certainly weren’t the positive notes we had hoped to end our testing on, but we couldn’t ignore the results once we had them.

Conclusions

After more than a week of sustained iPod mini battery testing, we’ve come to three conclusions. First, after nine tests on the mini, we averaged approximately eight hours and ten minutes of music playback before battery death, a respectable number. While this duration may not compare favorably with certain competing products, it exceeds the battery life Apple advertised for the mini, as well as what we squeezed out of the 3G iPod, surely positive findings for potential and current mini owners.

Second, after seeing the mini’s battery performance improve after almost every test, we feel as if there’s no cause for alarm regarding its day to day performance, and in fact there’s reason to believe that the typical user will see better and better results for a week or more after opening the box. While concerns remain over the battery’s long-term lifespan, with 300-500 charge cycles (or approximately 18 months) of performance expected from a Lithium-Ion power source, all we could ask for - or perhaps expect - from the next iPod is a battery that’s easier for users to replace.
 
Third and finally, though we were disappointed that our mini failed twice to duplicate Walter Mossberg’s results under nearly identical conditions, we’re not going to worry about it. Our current working assumption is that the typical iPod mini will exhibit performance peaks and valleys before falling into steady output around or slightly surpassing the eight-hour mark under optimal conditions, falling somewhat sharply if users make significant use of the hard disk, backlight, volume, equalizer and controls, in descending order of importance.

Of course, we would hope that the next-generation iPod includes significantly improved battery performance, but if the iPod mini is any indication, Apple’s already on the road towards that goal. For users who want to relax with eight to ten hours of continuous music - like we do, especially after more than a week of monotonous iPod battery testing - the iPod mini will likely deliver all it promised, and probably more.

Jeremy Horwitz is a consumer electronics fanatic who practices intellectual property law in his spare time. His recent book, Law School Insider, has been called the “best book about law school -ever,” and he continues to contribute to Ziff-Davis electronic entertainment magazines.

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1

Ipod mini, is cool, yet doesn’t worth the 250$.
Add another 50 and get a full 15 GB one.

      Much better!!!

Posted by Yarin on March 2, 2004 at 6:22 AM (CST)

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it would be interesting to know what bitrate/format these tests base on…that’s probably the reason why you guys couldn’t duplicate Mr. Mossberg’s results…

Posted by Snoodo on March 2, 2004 at 6:30 AM (CST)

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<<Ipod mini, is cool, yet doesn’t worth the 250$.
Add another 50 and get a full 15 GB one. >>

Wow, you’re just an Einstein for figuring that one out on your own aren’t you?  I’m glad you set us all straight on that one, I never would have figured it out on my own otherwise.  Did you ever stop to think that just maybe people are buying the mini for reasons other than simply the HD capacity?  Like the smaller size, choice of 5 colors, superior navigation, superior battery life, etc?

Posted by OC on March 2, 2004 at 6:41 AM (CST)

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Sounds like someone just bought a mini and is trying to justify the expense….

Posted by Me on March 2, 2004 at 8:18 AM (CST)

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Fed up with an extra 50 bucks gets you more GB argument being repeated ad nauseam.

If everyone was a card carrying, sandal wearing, overweight geek you might be right.

Fortunately the world isn’t like that. Well at least mine isn’t. Chic and convenience count just as much as all those pre-orders prove.

Oh, I don’t have an iPod mini yet so no need to justify anything.

Just wait till the internals of the iPod minis are integrated into mobile phones. they have got to be looking at that in the long run.

Posted by cjm on March 2, 2004 at 9:14 AM (CST)

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Not to be annoying or anything but I have the 20gb 3rd gen and a new silver mini and setting aside the natural “honeymoon period” the mini is superior in every way but storage.  I only have 800 songs that I listen to so storage is no problem at all.  I pop that bad boy in my shirt pocket, forget about it and go!  I also have an original 5gb and a 10gb second gen…yes 4 iPods but I love them each in thier own unique way.  Again, the mini takes the cake.  I like the display font better, navigation better, sound quality sounds better (more bass imho), build quality, and the size obv is better. The mini hits the sweet spot and is well worth the 250.  PS. It works fine with the inMotion speakers. (not that there would be any reason for it not working but I thought I would let you know.)

Posted by Evan on March 2, 2004 at 9:23 AM (CST)

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Seriously, all these people than go on and on about go 50 higher and buy a iPod. Do you think people dont conisder this? Maybe people want superior looks (in their opinion), maybe people want superior buttons. I mean, people seem to take offense to people who are getting an iPod mini. Geez…

Posted by XanDaMan on March 2, 2004 at 9:41 AM (CST)

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I spent $50 more on 15G and happy with it…

Running out of hard disk space though

forget about $250 but 4G is not enough clearly

 

Posted by dippa on March 2, 2004 at 10:33 AM (CST)

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You may want to reconsider your testing methods (that is, continually draining the battery until the iPod shuts off.)  It is a well known fact that deep discharge drastically alters battery life.  From http://www.nexergy.com/Reflib/Lithium_Ion_FAQ.html, “over discharge… will cause irreversible chemical changes to the cell. These charges will reduce the retained capacity and cycle life of the battery.”  Since most consumers are used to NiCad batteries which lose capacity due to a memory effect, perhaps educating them on the proper care and maintenance of Li-ion cells would do more to alleviate the battery woes in iPods than anything else.

More information can be found at:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/LiIon

JDB

Posted by JDB on March 2, 2004 at 10:59 AM (CST)

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i’d rather pay $50 less then the 15 gig and get a smaller ipod. i really like it.  i also really like the clickable wheel, although its tempting to want to use the clicks as a navigation tool.

Posted by tom on March 2, 2004 at 12:20 PM (CST)

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“It is a well known fact that deep discharge drastically alters battery life”

Yep. But electronic devices can be designed that do not allow a Li-On cell to damage itself. If the iPod is well-designed, then a “deep discharge” is not really a *full* deep discharge - the iPod will stop draining the cell once the voltage dips below a dangerous threshold.

Of course, if it’s not well-designed, then it would damage the cell to drain it to exhaustion, repeatedly.

http://www.buchmann.ca/Chap5-page3.asp

“Similar to the lead acid battery, the Li-ion battery prefers shallow over repetitive deep discharge cycles. Up to 1000 cycles can be achieved if the battery is only partially discharged. Besides cycling, the performance of the Li-ion is also affected by aging. Capacity loss through aging is independent of use. However, in daily use, there is a combination of both.”

“The Li-ion typically discharges to 3.0V/cell. The spinel and coke versions can be discharged to 2.5V/cell. The lower end-of-discharge voltage gains a few extra percentage points. Since the equipment manufacturers cannot specify which battery type may be used, most equipment is designed for a three-volt cut-off.

Caution should be exercised not to discharge a lithium-based battery too low. Discharging a lithium-based battery below 2.5V may cut off the battery

Posted by deep discharge on March 2, 2004 at 12:47 PM (CST)

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Will you idiots stop the stupid ‘for only $50 you can get more HDD’!!!
If you’re going to use that excuse, why not just get a Nomad Zen?  Not only does it have more HDD it’s also cheaper?

No?  Dont like the Zen?  Then STFU!

Posted by ipod on March 2, 2004 at 8:27 PM (CST)

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What is the problem with you guys is just $50 dollars GET OVER IT! ok
i know the 15gb has more space but the mini has the looks and is the best thing ever made so far from APPLE and i love it i have 400 songs in it including Hilary duff, Linkin Park, Aaliyah and a whole lot more and you guys are saying that is not much space you guys are crazy how much songs do you need you are not going to listen to all of the are you? well i guess you are not so stop it@

Posted by christopher ch in none on March 2, 2004 at 8:35 PM (CST)

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its small. i cant afford 50$ extra. its nice. i can run with it. I LOVE IT!

Posted by esteban on March 2, 2004 at 10:04 PM (CST)

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“...i have 400 songs in it including Hilary duff, Linkin Park, Aaliyah and a whole lot more…”

well, you had a point until you went and admitted that.

Posted by d on March 3, 2004 at 11:43 AM (CST)

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Well my mini was a birthday present. I know it’s less space but do u really need 3,700 songs or even 10,000. You can only listen to 1 song at a time. My mom bought me the 20GB one first and I asked her to take it back. $400 for a TOY is just TOO MUCH, I don’t care what it can do. And as for hard drive space, just get a laptop, it’s already portable.

Posted by Tifah on March 3, 2004 at 2:48 PM (CST)

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“...And as for hard drive space, just get a laptop, it’s already portable…”

I don’t know about you but I wouldn’t walk around with my laptop running.  In fact the comparision between iPod (of any size) and laptop is just plain stupid.

Posted by ESL on March 3, 2004 at 7:00 PM (CST)

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christopher ch - dude, bad music collection…

tifah - I currently have 5,766 songs on my 30gb (almost full!)...of course you can only listen to one song at a time and of course I’m never going to listen to all those songs non-stop (it would take 18 days)!  but that’s not the point - the point is that I can pull up any song I own at any time or any place (home, car, work, vacation, etc…) - which is great when some random thought triggers a memory of a random song you haven’t listened to in forever.  and you’re listening to it seconds later.

may not seem like a big deal to some, but the larger your music collection is, the better this freedom is…..kind of the same freedom you get when you realize your playlists/mixes are no longer limited to the length of a tape or cd.

back on topic though, the battery on my girlfriends mini is a little better than my 30gb, but that’s probably cause mine’s older.  I still love my big old pod better, but I got to admit the click wheel on the mini is awesome…

ok - I’ll shut up now…

Posted by m dogg on March 3, 2004 at 7:30 PM (CST)

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I don’t know what it is with the ipod. The ‘World’s Best portable music player’. For one it doesn’t have a radio tuner or voice recorder. The mini is marginally smaller than the usual ipod, slightly cheaper with MUCH less inbuilt memory. Its like a $400 MP3 player: a waste of money.
Get an iriver or DELL instead.

Posted by Trimac20 on March 4, 2004 at 12:18 AM (CST)

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I don’t know what it is with the ipod. The ‘World’s Best portable music player’. For one it doesn’t have a radio tuner or voice recorder. The mini is marginally smaller than the usual ipod, slightly cheaper with MUCH less inbuilt memory. Its like a $400 MP3 player: a waste of money.
Get an iriver or DELL instead.

Posted by Trimac20 on March 4, 2004 at 12:18 AM (CST)

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a DELL??? HAHAHAHA
That’s so funny… I quote a forum post I saw one day:
“The DELL looks like a futuristic remote control from a 70’s movie”

Who wants to listen to the radio? Imagine how frustrating it could be if your (imaginary) iPod with radio tuner didn’t get the signal or something like than. And… who listens to the radio this days? Isn’t that the idea behind the iPod and iPod mini? “Listen to YOUR music wherever you are”? And voice recorder? I don’t wanna record my own voice… seriously, what would you do with those files? It would just be junk in your iPod :(, besides it would be low quality.

I’m all for keeping the iPod-iPod mini simple. It’s an mp3 player, not an I-will-save-your-life in case of emergency artifact!!!

 

 

Posted by Susana Perez on March 4, 2004 at 1:10 AM (CST)

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...The mini is marginally smaller than the usual ipod, slightly cheaper with MUCH less inbuilt memory. Its like a $400 MP3 player: a waste of money…
Try $250, buddy.

Posted by saycheese200 on March 5, 2004 at 9:20 AM (CST)

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Maybe he’s Canadian, eh? ;^)

I actually just had this discussion the other day with a couple of my friends.  The bottom line is that the iPod is just tremendously superior to anything else.  It is made better, it runs better, it’s software is better, and so like most of Apple’s products, it is worth it to pay more.  And btw, I’m not an Apple freak.  All of my computers are Windows pc’s.  However, I realize that Apple truly does have superior products.  I’m just not able to give in and buy a machine and OS that is such a small part of the market. 

And you can actually get a 10 percent discount from Apple.  I get it through the NEA, but anyone who is a school employee or a college student is able to get the pricing.  The 15GB iPod is then only $269, and the minis are only $229.  Not a bad price for such great products.

Posted by Dougie on March 5, 2004 at 9:55 AM (CST)

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When it came to the choice between the mini and the 15gb iPod, I went with the later.  15 gig is a comfortable size for me (honestly the 4 is just too small for my tastes) and the iPod design is utterly flawless.  I like the updated features of the mini, but if I were to buy one I’d get the silver color so “new colors” isn’t really a selling feature for me.  To be honest, the mini isn’t THAT much smaller either.  So for me the 15g fits better though I think the mini is a great entry-level player too.

Posted by josh on March 5, 2004 at 1:11 PM (CST)

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Thanks very much for this informative article. I’m happy to read your results because I just got a mini two days ago and have been surprised by how quickly the battery is exhausted in normal use—just a couple of hours. I hope mine gets better over time…

Posted by Paul on March 5, 2004 at 1:34 PM (CST)

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I purchased the mini as soon as it was released, pop down the 250.00 and after so much hoopla I am happy to report that it is worth every dollar! I love the sleek design and colors. A thousand songs is more than suffient for me. Apple is ahead of it’s game. Love the way gadgets are revolutionizing our lives.

Posted by Carmen on March 5, 2004 at 2:09 PM (CST)

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Urgh isn’t there a cheaper way for me to get my hands on one these I mean that’s a lot of money, for any type of iPod. And realize that in another 2 years, they will have a new type of iPod and your gonna have to go lose another $299. Why not just buy a minidisc player or something cheaper that holds a modest amount of music?

Posted by Urgh on March 5, 2004 at 3:57 PM (CST)

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maybe u dont need 15 gb of friggin space- thats alot. I only got it because i have gobs of music on computer. if u dont need that much space, it would be best to just get the mini, because of smaller size, cool colors, more battery life, and easier nav controls. just fyi. I HAVE A 15 GIG AND ITS THE BEST but w/e it depends on how much music u have

Posted by ipoddude on March 6, 2004 at 11:04 AM (CST)

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yea and apple has awsome support….i had a problem with the caseing on my ipod so i sent it in and they sent me a new one and i recieved it within 3 days :D

Posted by ick on March 6, 2004 at 1:06 PM (CST)

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Aside from the “mini’s smaller, lighter, more sleek, better buttons” argument, the colors are really pretty putridm, IMHO.

I bought my wife a 20GB, and sent it to colorware before I gave it to her.  The colors at colorware are too cool, and they do a fantastic job.  If I can stand to part with my 40GB, I’m going to send it in and get it colored candy apple.

Posted by rdlink in Denver on March 7, 2004 at 12:08 PM (CST)

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putrid, not putridm

Posted by rdlink in Denver on March 7, 2004 at 12:08 PM (CST)

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I have wanted an ipod since they came out but couldn’t part with the money. My b/f finally bought me a mini last week and I have to say it’s the best thing I own. Together we only own around 250 songs so the mini is perfect. I’m in love with my gold mini.

Posted by rolo on March 7, 2004 at 5:18 PM (CST)

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Having read this discussion, it seems that regardless of the iPod chosen, there are a lot of people in need of English lessons.

Posted by Paul on March 7, 2004 at 7:40 PM (CST)

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“I don’t know what it is with the ipod. The ‘World’s Best portable music player’. For one it doesn’t have a radio tuner or voice recorder.”
The title ‘World’t Best Portable Music Player’ is completely correct.  Never does it mention that it is a portable recorder, nor a portable tuner.  It has one job…playing music…and it does that job VERY well!  Let’s just call it a specialist in this mp3 player/voice recorder/fm tuner/vacuum cleaner/toothbrush cleaner world.

Posted by scheelio on March 7, 2004 at 10:23 PM (CST)

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I didn’t see anything about the issue of the battery meter showing the proper charge. Has that been fixed on the Mini. I currently own a 3G 10G iPod but am seriously considering “upgrading” (or downgrading… however you want to look at it). But, if that one issue on the battery isn’t fixed, it might be a deal breaker.

Posted by Ramsay on March 8, 2004 at 6:56 AM (CST)

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Iv

Posted by Halazon of Sweden on March 8, 2004 at 4:37 PM (CST)

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I just bought an ipod mini and people question why not just pay 50 more dollars for more storage. This has become pretty annoying and my answer to it is: I don’t need more. 4gig is enough for me. Me me me me and not you. I buy the ipod mini for me and not for you. OK? =)

The ipod mini is more convenient to slip into my pocket or when I go jogging. I favor the brushed aluminum rather than the shiny chrome.

And really, I wish people wouldn’t attack others for buying the mini. Sometimes 4gig is really enough for some of us. I have about 200 songs and used about 2gigs and its no problem for me. I don’t feel the need to put 10,000 songs into a player. So basically it all comes down to personal need and aethetics.

This is almost to the point of “why don’t you put in a lil bit more money and buy a stationwagon/SUV?”

I think its personally pretty unhealthy to be bombarded by the notion of “more, more and more!”

thank you,
ipod mini spokesperson

Posted by andy on March 8, 2004 at 11:48 PM (CST)

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i used to own an ipod but it got stolen and now i’m thinking of buying a new one. i am favoring buying the ipod mini because even though i have more than 4gb of songs in my imac, i don’t need to bring all of its songs with me. it doesn’t mean that just because my imac can hold 10 000 songs or something, it already sucks that i can’t put all of them in my ipod. i just need to select a thousand(that’s a lot!) favorite songs and upload it in my ipod. i know it’s pretty cool to have your whole music collection with you but face it… can you name at least a thousand songs that you like?! man, just bein practical… and i can even buy the optional arm band and use it while i’m at the gym or when i’m wearing anything that has shallow pockets and not worry about it slipping from my pocket.

Posted by vince on March 9, 2004 at 2:45 AM (CST)

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yes i would liek to know someting i am looking for a ipod but im in the slopes with money and iwas looking at the loan i wouldlike to know how that works. nwo i would like to get the 40gb i was wondering if your could maybe right a article on this please send back

Posted by david mendoza on March 9, 2004 at 9:08 AM (CST)

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When will iTunes be available in europe!!!!I can’t wait any longer..

Posted by Conor O'Neill on March 9, 2004 at 10:09 AM (CST)

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LIke all the other cows here, I feel the need to moo ...

The iPod Mini is absolutely superior in QUALITY to everything out there.  If you want QUANTITY then ... buy something else.  Some people want diamonds in their life, and some people want cubic zirconium.  And if the purpose of life is simply to acquire the most stuff (which alot of people these days seem to buy into) the go ahead—go but the biggest hard drive, the most fake jewelry, the largest most disgusting SUV you can afford.

BUT—you’ll never have the real deal, the iPod Mini, truly a gem, an MP3 player with such superior QUALITY of experience, of use, that simply to use it is a pure joy.  Everything else on the market is just so much more gutter crap for the gutter culture that wants to stuff and stuff and stuff it’s supersized ass with more and more and more shit.

Posted by ipod mini user on March 9, 2004 at 9:34 PM (CST)

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I use a 3G 20Gb iPod.  Love it! I use it as a portable harddrive as well as a portable music player.  A mini would not do me.  But I can see the merits of the mini.  They are both good.  I didn’t buy the 40Gb iPod because of the size and weight.  To thick and heavy for a shirt pocket. I have stored a lot of information on my iPod, but I cannot envisage needing 40 Gb.  Many people feel they do not need greater space than what the mini offers.
Do those people who have a collection of 3000 or more songs actually like everyone of them?

Posted by Cker in Northern Ireland on March 10, 2004 at 9:11 AM (CST)

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People seem to forget what first made the original iPod so attractive. Yeh it was the design but it was mainly the 5GB storage. iPod mini’s are only 4GB, they don’t look as good and the colours are crap. People get a grip here!

Posted by Adam on March 11, 2004 at 10:56 AM (CST)

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hey guys why are we all fighting? In the end we both love the huggable, stylish products that are ipods (well most of us on this site). It doesn’t matter which one is better, as long as we are content.

Posted by G s u s on March 11, 2004 at 7:03 PM (CST)

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“Chic and convenience count just as much as all those pre-orders prove.”

Prove what? That’s Apple’s genius exists, not in the product, but in creating, alongside MTV, a consumer class of pretentious anuses that buy things to be cool rather than actually enjoying the product.

I bet you’d be the first in line to buy Apple’s iFeces.

Posted by Ami on March 11, 2004 at 10:55 PM (CST)

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Yes. Apple has proven that technology no longer means functionality. My curiosity is actually finding who buys these thing just to be cool. How utterly pathetic is that? Do your pick-up lines with the opposite sex require holding the latest gadget, perhaps to hide the vacuum that exists behind it?

Posted by Stephan on March 11, 2004 at 10:58 PM (CST)

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” I also have an original 5gb and a 10gb second gen…yes 4 iPods but I love them each in thier own unique way.”

...like your mom, the only woman in your life. Pathetic, my friend. With the money you spent on items that repeat one another,  you could have bought a hooker. Maybe I should go buy 4 Televisions for the same room!

Idiot.

Posted by Jose on March 11, 2004 at 11:01 PM (CST)

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“hey guys why are we all fighting?”

For no other reason than this: a beautiful device deserves praise and purchase. however, this baord has only proven that there are a million retards willing to prostitute themselves for “the latest thrill”. Owning four devices of the same thing? Spouting cult-like bullshit, that the average shopper would laugh at? Come on, people, I know your lives are empty, but the iPod was meant to play music, not pose as an Idol by which you defined your lives. I wouldn’t be surprised if some of you constructed and iAlter, and iWorshipped that you’d by iShot by someone to end your purposeless misery. If you own more than 2 iPods, you are a LOSER. realize that.

Posted by Gus on March 11, 2004 at 11:06 PM (CST)

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I am in need of some help. I want an iPod because I think they are absoloutly cool. Which one, standard or mini? I suppose I’d like a bit more than 1000 tracks but I’m after classy screens, good colours and nice buttons. Oh, and not too expensive. Thanks!

Posted by who wants to know? on March 12, 2004 at 1:59 PM (CST)

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When does the mini come out in Canada!  What price and what date?

Posted by Y-man on March 12, 2004 at 7:37 PM (CST)

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If you happen to be near an apple store its worth a trip in to actually see the mini in person. I was amazed at how small it really was. There’s no substitute for comparing the size differences in person. I especially couldn’t get over how thin and light it was.

Posted by TW on March 14, 2004 at 8:30 PM (CST)

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i am from new zealand and i would like to know when the mini comes to my shores. at the moment we only have 15,20 and 40 gig models which can cost alot down here*, $600* for the 15g, $750* for the 20g and $1050* for the 40g so i really hope the mini comes out soon so i can get an ipod that doesnt cost too much or will bring down the prices of the others.

* prices in nz dollars

Kaine

Posted by kaine on March 15, 2004 at 12:26 AM (CST)

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nothing but the ipod mini should be bought. somewhere up there it says that it doesnt have a radio tuner…hoo the hell needs a radio tuner when you have your personal music selection right there! psssh. the mini is much betterthan the regular ipod.  gurantee if you guys hoo have regular ipods bought the mini you would agree with me. much much much better. in every way. who cares about more storage? i have every song since the 5th grade (im now in 9th) on my ipod mini…i only have 659 songs…1000 songs is almost too much! by the time you get to 1000 i gurantee the very first song you put on there wont be as apealing…as well as the other first 200

Posted by drew on March 16, 2004 at 8:53 PM (CST)

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The above is ridiculous. Neither the ipod nor the ipod mini is better. If u like colourdy gadgets and dont need much space and dont want to spend too much then the mini is for you. on the other hand if u need a lot of space and money isnt a porblem then the ipod would be better. Dont attack people for buying the ipod mini, if everyone had the same it would be a mighty boring world wouldnt it

Posted by Emma on March 17, 2004 at 5:00 PM (CST)

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so about that battery….......

Posted by icec0ld on March 17, 2004 at 10:56 PM (CST)

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I just wanted to no everybody oponion in what they would rather have mini or a fifteen gb what are the pros and con and when do both of the come out in perth australia thanks

Posted by ipodaresocool on March 18, 2004 at 7:15 AM (CST)

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Why not just pay another 50 and get a 15 gb ipod u mini users?

Posted by peter on March 18, 2004 at 2:36 PM (CST)

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I still have my gen. 1 GB iPod, have had every other model and sold them to my coworkers and kept my 40 GB model. I bought the mini as a curiosity and found I use it more than any other. I load it up with books and the best picks from c.d.‘s I have ripped. My 40 contains the complete disk wile I only put the best on my mini. I work @ SLC Int. airport as an avionics tech and it hangs on my ID badge, hardly noticeable. I do custom installations in 20 to 40 million dollar aircraft and do component level repair on any thing electronic or electromechanical. I have tested all the ipods with my HP distortion analyzer with varying results. I just purchased a set of Shure E5c and E3c and I’m testing the Etymotic ER4 And ER6 phones. Any one who tries any of these units will feel they have been ripped off for buying any songs from iTunes, they sound raspy, ratty and digital “glitchy and mechanical” nothing short of 256 AAC or 330 mp3 sounds worth a crap and if you spend the money to buy a full CD instead of going to your local music store, getting the original c.d. and ripping it is being ripped them selves and being made a fool of. the only thing itunes has to offer is audio books and the occasional obscure song you just have to get for your collection. I suggest going to the library and get it that way. I love Apple and there products but itunes just bites the big one. (HEY APPLE, MAKE YOUR MUSIC MATERIAL AT LEAST AS GOOD AS THE PLAYER!) All the ipods look good on the spectrum analyzer as well as the distortion analyzer, battery lives are good as long as you care for yore iPods, witch the average user doesn’t have a clue how to do. The Sure E3c’s give you the best bang for the buck and if you get a set you will never put your ipod down. The dynamic outer ear style phone the iPod come with are like listening to a crappie old AM radio. I’ve been designing 200,000 + dollar sound systems for personal G3, G4 etc. aircraft and have developed some iPod accessories that will appear after the patents are complete. I you are interested in what we do go to kingsavionics.com for a sampling. By the way don’t look at the $50.00 difference as dive space difference, but a way of getting a musically superior and technologically superior device that won’t be covered in scratches every time you set it down on your desk.

Posted by Jeff Nicholls on March 19, 2004 at 11:44 PM (CST)

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In my opinion, the Mini is overpriced for its capacity…alright, more colors, better scratch resistance, smaller size, better battery life…but for 50 bucks you can do away with these small things (personally I like the pure white of the regular iPod better) and get 11 more gigs of space.  I’d only buy a Mini if I had exactly 250 and no more, and desperately wanted an MP3 player.

Posted by RockPod on March 20, 2004 at 10:11 AM (CST)

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The battery-life is the least of my worries. If you putt AIFF-files on your iPod and keep it at the right temperature the battery lasts more than an hour longer than if it is cold or the files are highly compressed mp3 files. The decompression inside the iPod takes a lot of power. Well that is my own experience.

BTW: What’s the discussion about which iPod to choose? Price and capacity aren’t the issue here. In my opinion the iPod mini is a fashion statement. Why else the colours back again? The 3G iPod is the ‘serious one’ and the mini is the ‘cute one’, right?

Posted by MacPriest on March 25, 2004 at 7:35 AM (CST)

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Jzus, seems that a lot of people have been drinking the Apple kool-aid again…

iPod is great. I’m buying one today from the apple website. But it’s just the best mp3 player to buy. It’s not the 2nd coming of Christ.

If you own more than one or two of these things, than you probably also have an iMac or G3/4/5 and drive a Volkswagen Jetta/Beetle/Passat and wear DocMartin shoes and drink Zima.

Stop worrying so much about image.

Posted by me2 on March 25, 2004 at 12:55 PM (CST)

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I’ve been anticipating the arrival of the iPod mini in Canada for some time now…

I’m actually quite happy that it’s not out right now, because the factor of saving up the money in the first place is the most important one. The fact that people in their reviews are nagging about “JUST ADD $50 FOR 11 GB MORE SPACE!!!”, it’s not about capacity with the mini, for the majority of the people, the size (of the actual mini), the colour and the new features are surely enough to convince people to throw in the dough.

Besides the capacity point…
Most people don’t even NEED 4 GB. I’ve got a music library of over 245 songs, and the iPod mini stores almost 4 times more the songs!! Besides the point, I don’t think I’ve EVER listened to ALL of my songs anyways!!

The iPod mini is just perfect for me.

-Tony M.
Canada.

Posted by Some 12 year old... on March 27, 2004 at 12:37 PM (CST)

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I have a mini.
All of the people who say “$50 more and I get the 15 gb one”
I was out for something really compact, sleek, and a damned good looking thing.
iPod mini delivered.
People also fail to realize how easy it is to put music on the iPod, and then replace it.
Nobody will listen to that much music, consecutively.
My brother has a first generation, and he can’t even remember what is on his iPod.
for $50 dollars less, you get a much nicer (in my opinion) design, I barely even notice it in my pocket, and performance is wonderful. To those who actually listen to 10000 songs straight, hooha to you and my congradulations. But don’t diss the mini.

Posted by Elan Samuel on March 29, 2004 at 12:17 AM (CST)

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I’ve had my 15GB iPod (3rd gen) since last summer and wouldn’t trade up the capacity for the mini’s coolness factor. But that’s just me. People have different tastes, and Apple has catered for them with different models.

The next ‘Pod I’m getting will definitely have more storage capacity! I’m currently sitting at 2635 songs with 1.6GB unused (i use 160bps or 192bps encoding with AAC and MP3 formats respectively).


Oh, and as with regards to the mini having 3.76GB HD space, that just comes from the habit of manufacturers quoting HD space with one GB as 1000 MB, rather than the actual 1024. A cheap trick by all HD manufacturers to make their products look like they had more capacity than they actually do…

Posted by kardinal on March 29, 2004 at 3:16 AM (CST)

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Im getting either a 20 gig for the space. I have 512mb pos player and Im sick of swapping songs around… If I got a mini I’d still be swapping stuff around. A larger capacity is also used as back-up, which anybody would agree is better than looks etc…

Posted by ddudee on March 31, 2004 at 7:02 PM (CST)

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I have a 15 gig iPod, and while i’ve only got 9 gigs of music, i still use it to back up some of my files. I agree with Ami, most people with iPod minis are the losers in the subway pushing the button that makes the ringing noise on their new craptastic video/camera phone and pretending they are getting a call, because they’re such losers. Also, yman, Canada sucks.

Posted by Mike on April 2, 2004 at 5:03 PM (CST)

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Also, this WAS a battery test page.

Posted by Mike on April 2, 2004 at 5:05 PM (CST)

68

then it turned into a warzone

Posted by Mike on April 2, 2004 at 5:10 PM (CST)

69

For all you Canadians out there:

“Apple Computer has pushed back the international debut of its iPod Mini from April to July, citing stronger-than-expected demand in the United States and a limited supply of hard drives.”

http://news.com.com/2100-1041-5179117.html

Posted by Slav on April 3, 2004 at 4:24 AM (CST)

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Have a 10GB iPod, but went ahead and bought the mini. I painted the clip-on carrier black to match the inner fairing on my bike. Blue paint on the mini almost matches my bike perfectly. I use ER6’s under a full face helmet. What a blast! Used it today. I still had batt. power after a 205 mile ride.

iPod was to big and bulky to take on my rides (ain’t that insane?!) So, I use for backing up a large portion of my HD as well as transferring major data downloads.

Talked two of my riding friends into buying the mini!

The only thing I do miss is the remote that the iPod had. Anyone know if they’re working on one of those for the mini?

Have fun! Happy listening to all!

Posted by vinnie on April 4, 2004 at 4:22 PM (CDT)

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I just personally like the normal iPod better—I like the design better and I like the navigation. The mini just never felt right in my hand, that’s all. I’m sure it’s a great product though.

Posted by Janos on April 5, 2004 at 4:45 PM (CDT)

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I think that if Apple came out with an iPod that had a built-in FM tuner and voice recorder, no one would object to these features.

In my opinion, MiniDiscs are on the way out.  I have some reasons that I won’t get into here.

Posted by Eddie on April 6, 2004 at 2:22 AM (CDT)

73

You guys are making such a big deal out of the apple mini. Have you seen other mp3 players? Before i got my GEN 3 15GB iPod I had the Rio Nitrus. That is a $250 1.5GB Mp3 player…released after the iPod. After having firmware updates with it, I took back the Rio and paid $50 more, not only for 10x the HDD capacity, but an awesome all around mp3 player. The only trouble i have is switching from drag and drop ease to iTunes playlisting. Importing and organizing 18+days of music is not a hobby :P. Damn those hairline scratches!

Posted by Joe on April 6, 2004 at 6:53 PM (CDT)

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I think walkmans and iPods are good, because you can listen to music as you walk around.

That’s all.

Can we get some perspective, please?

Posted by Sam on April 8, 2004 at 4:03 AM (CDT)

75

My son would like me to send him an I Pod. He is in Afganistan with some access to electricity, internet, etc. This isn’t some kid hanging out by the family computor. I need real help in deciding what to send.

Posted by bridget on April 8, 2004 at 5:58 PM (CDT)

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July I presume… the same goes for Australia (my country). There was a delay due to huge demand in the US.

I have the 3G 15GB and I am 90% happy with it. Battery life is awful. When skipping tracks often, using backlight, EQ set on Dance, and volume at 75%, battery dies in 2-3 hours. It makes me sick, apart from that I love it to bits.

Posted by a_witko in Melbourne, AUS on April 9, 2004 at 7:41 PM (CDT)

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The only reason I have an ipod is because it was free. I would have never spent so much money on an mp3 player. They all do the same thing, play music, why would you want to pay more than you have to.
As far as getting a mini or a regular one they are different. If I had to go on style I would get the mini but as far as space the 15 GB or larger is better. If I had the choice though I would have chosen a different brand. I’ve never cared for apple and it doesnt work all that well with my Dell.

Posted by KD on April 11, 2004 at 9:03 PM (CDT)

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I have the 15GB iod and it works alright but I hate how sensitive the buttens are. It always turns on and runs down the battery. It scratches way to easy and I dont like how It only comes in white (ugly)
I think the ipod is a total ripoff. if I had $300 to waste I wouldn’t buy this

Posted by Marie on April 11, 2004 at 9:18 PM (CDT)

79

Why does the replacement battery cost $99 whe you can get a cellphone battery for 10 bucks. it’s insane! why would you pay $99 for a battery?

Posted by Marie on April 11, 2004 at 9:21 PM (CDT)

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I just got my ipod mini the other day, after a month of waiting, and was wondering how best to discharge the player?  I’m running it on the lil’ dock (thru my sound system, borrowing my cable from my XM radio, now if the Mini only had XM *grin*) until it runs down then recharging it, kinda like how the laptops seem to work.  Is that the best way or would it damage the battery?  Thanks for any tips anyone can give me.

BTW, one the mini versus non-mini debate, geez you like what you like and you get what you want, don’t put down one player over the other they both look great and work nicely.  I went for the mini because as a girl I like things small, shiny, and cute (which both fit but the mini does so better) but also because I only have a limited amount of CDs to change into MP3s and all my songs together number in less than 1,000.  Hey I was fine with my iRiver iFP-180t 128MB player and this is a huge improvement in space.

Posted by mysterie on April 13, 2004 at 8:14 PM (CDT)

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Does anyone know how much the mini’s battery is affected by running AAC files encoded at 320 kbps? All of my material is encoded at this rate and I seem to get far lower battery times than those shown in the tests above.

Hm

Bill J.

Posted by Bill J. on April 14, 2004 at 7:50 AM (CDT)

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“Does anyone know how much the mini’s battery is affected by running AAC files encoded at 320 kbps?”

Less compression means more bitrate and hence more disk access. So the iPod isn’t able to buffer as much into RAM and the hard disk is spinning more.

Now, spinning up and down the disk consumes a lot of energy (due to inertia) but the iPods power management subsystem is optimised for ~140 Kbps bitrate.

You are definitely out of spec.

Just for laughs, try playing back some uncompressed raw AIFF files - the disk will be constantly on and your battery will drain at an alarming rate!

Posted by Sucking Power on April 14, 2004 at 9:28 AM (CDT)

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Everyone talks about songs, but does anyone have any info on quality of sound for classical music on the iPod or iPod mini?

Posted by lapis on April 14, 2004 at 2:18 PM (CDT)

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We had battery issues with our new iPod mini.  It did freeze two times and we sent it in for service at AppleCare.  We were concerned that the battery life only lasted about 2.5 hours even though we charged/discharged it several times.  AppleCare service is very good…very professional and friendly.

Posted by Neel on April 17, 2004 at 8:45 AM (CDT)

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I am goin crazy here.  Europe is retarted, the ipod mini is comin out in like July/August! I do not have time for this shit, and if i want it now, i have to order it online all the way here from the states, and the gadgets i want with it, will all add up to around 330 euros, wow there, don have the money, i could buy another mp3 but they all suck compared to these gorgous ipods.

Posted by BlueCherrys on April 19, 2004 at 11:44 AM (CDT)

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For the record, I don’t own anything by Apple—iPod or otherwise.

I was actually “thrown” onto this website by some freak accident, when a search on “mp3 music format” led me here.  However, I was amused by all your internal bickering on which iPod is better, if the mini is “cool” or not, etc..

If you’re all happy with your own purchases or decision not to own one, does anybody really care what the world thinks?  Why do you feel a need to justify or defend your love or hate of the iPod mini?  That was a rhetorical question—I won’t actually be expecting a reply as I won’t be back in this forum—no offense!  :)

Have fun…

Posted by Outside Observer on April 19, 2004 at 12:40 PM (CDT)

87

i’m after an ipod to use to store my digitel photos on while traveling over seas,. what do i need to do this and were are they avalible in New Zealand?

Posted by yoda on April 21, 2004 at 1:26 AM (CDT)

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The mini ipod is Awesome i got it yesterday and it is mad sick. You have to be a domeass to not like anything about the ipod mini.

Posted by shootemup77 on May 1, 2004 at 4:31 PM (CDT)

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“If you own more than 2 iPods, you are a LOSER. realize that.”

Spoken like someone who is on their second iPod.

Posted by Jake on May 2, 2004 at 12:28 AM (CDT)

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you are all gay. the i-pod mini is clearly superior in every manner. size? smaller. weight? lighter. look? coloured. price? cheaper. when will all you ipod mini haters wake up and realise that you are only masking the fact that you are now embarassed that you have a ‘huge’ ipod instead of the cooler mini??? get a grip of your lives!! losers.
kyle

Posted by kyle on May 3, 2004 at 9:10 AM (CDT)

91

MALAYSIA BOLEH!!!

Posted by bonkers on May 5, 2004 at 2:58 AM (CDT)

92

Do you think that an ipod mini is worth buying eventhough they have the sound problem?

Posted by skier on May 5, 2004 at 8:50 AM (CDT)

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“i know the 15gb has more space but the mini has the looks and is the best thing ever made so far from APPLE and i love it i have 400 songs in it including Hilary duff, Linkin Park, Aaliyah and a whole lot more and you guys are saying that is not much space you guys are crazy how much songs do you need you are not going to listen to all of the are you? well i guess you are not so stop it@”


LOL ANYONE LISTENING TO THAT CRAP IS STUPID! I CAN FILL A 130 GIGA IPOD WITH GOOOOOOOOOOOOD MUSIC! AH! PAY 50 dollars MORE AND YOU WILL HAVE A PRETTIER, COOLER AND MUHCH LARGER DH IPOD! LOOOOOOL

Posted by 5th Raider on May 6, 2004 at 5:06 PM (CDT)

94

what is actually meant by discharging your ipod battery? what do you do

Posted by ipod newbie on May 7, 2004 at 5:40 PM (CDT)

95

Yo!  I got my self a brand new silver mini with the engraving, dock, service plan and the whole kitten kaboodle.  This is what I say.  The box that it comes in is sweet.  The way that it opens is amazing.  And tell me, does money just grow on trees?  “50 bucks more”  is a good amt. of money.  Plus the big Ipod is cool but OLDSCHOOL.  Were in 2004 dude.  It’s time to get sleek, short, and sweet.  The mini is great!!! For those of you musicaholics.  The Ipod maybe the way to go.  But for me, If need to show off my mp3 player to my friends, the Ipod mini does the trick.  Now I got some downloading to do! Over and out

Posted by T-Unit on May 12, 2004 at 8:18 PM (CDT)

96

ipod mini is for people who cant afford a real ipod and bitch about it being better so eat my 20 gb 3G You cheapasses ohh and those 40 gigabyte owners.. dude 40 gigabyte is same size as g1 so 3g is meant to be slim bot 40 gb isnt so 40 gigabyte sux for its big arse thats why i got 20 gigabyte

Posted by Ipod Wannabe on May 14, 2004 at 3:45 AM (CDT)

97

The joys of the pod, in any form ,lies in it’s ability to “provoke” enjoyment, create options, and enhance your life….those mal-contents suck it up, and destress your lives…
those who are podders, already know that music makes the day ...well…. much more fun, and something you can share…with friends and signif. other…..just to name a few.
So share the wealth, talk about potential design flaws, be productive…detox if you can, and love the music whatever form you prefer.Remember you only go around once….you might as well enjoy the ride!

Posted by "doc" on May 16, 2004 at 2:41 AM (CDT)

98

Im debating wether to buy the ipod or the ipod mini.

If you have itunes and a bunch of songs already on your computer couldn’t you just buy the ipod mini (smaller storage) and just keep changing the 1000 song list? 

But I do realize that the ipod allows you to voice record which the ipod mini doesn’t.

But then again I am on a budget.

Is the ipod worth the extra 50 bucks?

SOMEONE LIST A PRO’S AND CON’S LIST OR A COMPARISON LIST FOR THE IPOD VS IPOD MINI

Anyone, Someone, help me decide, which should I go for?

Posted by pinky pertique on May 19, 2004 at 1:59 PM (CDT)

99

What about temperature effects on battery performance?  It seems this is a fairly significant issue that wasn’t taken into consideration… although I doubt it could account for the 3+ hour difference in the Mossberg test.

Posted by Smiler on May 20, 2004 at 11:01 PM (CDT)

100

“ipod mini is for people who cant afford a real ipod and b**** about it being better so eat my 20 gb 3G You cheapasses ohh and those 40 gigabyte owners.. dude 40 gigabyte is same size as g1 so 3g is meant to be slim bot 40 gb isnt so 40 gigabyte sux for its big a*** thats why i got 20 gigabyte”

So you slag off the mini but then preach the 20gb over the 40gb because it’s smaller, did you think before you wrote that?

Posted by peter82 on May 21, 2004 at 8:01 AM (CDT)

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