First Look Special: Apple Computer iPod (5G) with Video | iLounge Article


First Look Special: Apple Computer iPod (5G) with Video

On October 12, 2005, Apple Computer introduced the next-generation version of its successful full-sized iPod, and iLounge Editors Jeremy Horwitz and Dennis Lloyd were on hand to try it. We had our first session only minutes after the new iPod was formally introduced, left for a bit to chat with third party developers and see an as-yet-unannounced accessory, then returned for a second session to do further tests and comparisons. This special First Look is based on our early experiences, and of course will be followed by a formal review of shipping hardware in the days to come.

We’ll also note that we’ve spent considerable time preparing for our look at the new iPod by testing its two most frequently-noted potential competitors, Sony’s $249 PlayStation Portable (PSP) and Creative’s new $399 Zen Vision, two portable multimedia devices that are very different from each other, though each overlaps the new iPod in certain ways. We’ll have many more comments on this topic in the days to come, and include some initial thoughts below.

The New iPod

Variously called “iPod with video” (Apple technical support), the “fifth-generation iPod” (Apple public relations) or “the white iPod” (Apple CEO Steve Jobs), the new iPod is at first glance very similar in size and shape to its predecessors. Retaining the well-established “full-sized iPod” footprint of 4.1 x 2.4 inches, it doesn’t make a “wow, that’s small” initial impression until you see it from the side. Instead, you’re drawn to its flat face, different-than-before proportions of screen and controls, and its two body colors. In fact, the new iPod will be available next week in four total flavors.

Your first choice will be the body color. Paralleling the iPod nano, a glossy white and matte gray version will be accompanied by a glossy black and matte black version. No shock: the white version is classic and elegant, while the black version is bad boy cool. And also like nano, two capacities will be available. Each 30GB model will sell for $299, while each 60GB model will sell for $399. The numbers and colors only tell part of the story, however: both models are thinner than last generation’s 20GB iPod. And there’s another surprise, too.

Viewed from the side, the 30GB iPod is 31% thinner than the 20, at only 11 millimeters, while the 60GB iPod is 12% thinner, at only 14 millimeters. But what Apple representatives didn’t point out unless asked was that the slimming has come at the expense of battery life. The 30GB iPod is now promised to run for 14 hours of music, down from its predecessor’s 15, with only 3 hours of photo slideshow playback versus 5. Unusually, the 60GB iPod is said to run somewhat longer - 20 hours of music, but still down 1 hour to 4 hours of photo playback. It’s the first time one full-sized iPod has differed from another on battery life.

Is thinness really to blame? Partially: the smaller casings leave no room for bigger batteries. But the more direct culprit is 5G’s newer, better screen. While keeping the color palette the same - 260,000 colors - Apple has boosted the size from 2.0 inches to 2.5 inches, and the pixel count from 220x176 to 320x240. The result is a screen that looks visibly larger, but also considerably more detailed. It also requires nice, even backlighting, which eats up the new iPod’s battery juice.


Why would an iPod need a bigger screen? Video playback.

Contradicting an interview he gave The New York Times in early 2004, in which he suggested that consumers weren’t interested in watching videos on a screen smaller than 3 inches in size, Apple’s CEO Steve Jobs was nearly effusive about the new iPod’s 2.5” display. And although the display was not what iLounge’s editors were hoping for - and continue to hope for - we had to concede that videos played back on the screen looked good. We sampled 50 Cent’s Candy Shop and Fatboy Slim’s Weapon of Choice, and found them hard to distinguish from the quality of a full-sized television - at least, on the iPod’s screen.

As shown in the photo, you select videos from a text-based interface identical to the one used for music - not the picture-heavy interface used for digital photos. All videos use the same general display, though there are systems of organization for different types of video. User-defined video playlists - including Smart Playlists - can be created, as well.

A TV-style icon on the right of the screen identified video clips, which took longer to access on the hard disk than music. Apple equipped each iPod with libraries of Movies, Music Videos, TV Shows, and Video Podcasts. The sample movies were taken from Steve Jobs’ other company, the movie studio Pixar, which provided a series of eight previously released “shorts.” No full-length feature films were available, and Apple provided no explanation as to how people would convert their existing DVD movies for playback on the new iPod. The 30GB model is capable of holding 75 hours of video, compressed with typical settings, while the 60GB model holds 150, assuming no music or photos are on the device at the same time.

During video playback, simple volume and track scrubbing (skip forward/back) controls were available - just as with standard music playback - but there’s not much more to the control system. (Using the smaller Click Wheel seemed to be just as easy as it was with the 4G iPod - size hasn’t changed much.) Icons appeared as clean overlays on the existing graphics, rather than fuzzing out part of the image with translucent bezels, as was done with iPod photo playback, and video playback on competing devices such as Creative’s Zen Vision. The videos we saw appeared to be smooth and running at 30 frames per second (TV-quality), equivalent to the PSP and better than the occasionally stuttering Zen, but we’ll need to test our own videos first to reach real conclusions.

Additionally unlike the Vision, the new iPod’s screen was viewable on angles other than “straight on,” a sign that although Apple compromised a lot on screen size, it didn’t compromise much on quality. But what if you don’t want to watch your movies on the iPod?

Well, there’s a Video Settings screen for that. Kept simple, like the iPod’s photo slideshow settings, this screen lets you turn TV output on and off, change between NTSC and PAL video signals (for overseas viewing), and flip between widescreen and standard display modes. The latter feature’s value was not obvious during our initial hands-on session with the iPod, which appeared to continue to play back clips in widescreen mode regardless, but we believe that this may have as much to do with software encoding of the videos as anything else. We’ve seen the inverse problem on Creative’s Zen Vision, namely Zen’s tendency to incorrectly display widescreen movies as full-screen ones.

Is there any video bummer? Well, the big one on the hardware front is playback time. The 30GB iPod runs for only 2 hours, says Apple, when playing back video. And the 60GB iPod runs for 3. That’s considerably short of both the PSP and Zen Vision, which run for 4-6 hours - and both include replaceable batteries. Yet again, Apple dropped the ball on including that - apparently the most frequently requested iPod feature - and because of its video functionality, that’s now a considerably more relevant omission. Given that the prior iPod drains additional battery life when outputting to a TV screen, it remains to be seen whether a 30GB iPod can even last long enough without a wall charger to show a complete movie on a TV - and pity, now there’s no charger in the box. We’ll have further comments on this subject in our review of the product.

Getting Video Content

On another note, bringing existing videos on to the iPod isn’t as easy as we’d hoped. Apple could have chosen to support a wide range of video formats, but instead opted to support only two: MPEG-4, and its newest flavor H.264, the video technologies underlying Apple’s QuickTime 7 and iChat AV applications. While we are big fans of MPEG-4 because of its ability to compress huge movies into relatively small files, the encoding process is slow - even slower, and prohibitively so, for H.264 - and few people have movie or TV clips already in this format. You can now use QuickTime 7 to compress old videos into iPod-playable format, but will you want to?

The alternative is to purchase videos from Apple’s iTunes Music Store. In addition to selling Pixar’s shorts, Apple announced a groundbreaking deal with Disney - owner of both its eponymous kids’ channel and the ABC television network - to make 5 key TV shows available for paid download. At $1.99 per episode, the TV shows Lost and Desperate Housewives have the potential to prove as popular online as they already are as free broadcasts, and the additional shows Night Stalkers, That’s So Raven, and The Suite Life of Zach & Cody will prove interesting tests, as well. Other networks are apparently in negotiations to provide TV content, and if the list of iTunes Music Store podcasts is any indication - every network worth its salt is already developing free audio content - paid video can’t be too far off.

Shows can be purchased individually or by season. And contrary to what we were told by Apple representatives in the hands-on area, the company does appear to be offering bundle prices for bulk purchases: a 24-episode season of Lost, for example, sells for $34.99 - less than $1.50 per show. You’ll need plenty of time to download all of the episodes, but that’s cheaper than the $58.99 list price of the Lost Season 1 DVD, and also lower than Amazon’s $38.99 discounted price for the set. Apple’s movie clips and a library of 2,000 music videos also sell for $1.99, while video podcasts and movie trailers will be free - at least, for now. Will people pay for content other than TV shows and full-length movies? You tell us, but our inclination is that not too many people will. For more details on iTunes 6’s new features, read our brand-new Introduction to iTunes 6 feature article.

What Else Can You Do With Videos?

That’s the weakest part of the equation. On a positive note, Apple unveiled Front Row, a media center-like interface for its iMac personal computers, which is capable of playing back photos, music, DVDs and saved videos with an interface that’s simple enough for anyone to understand -  and pixel-perfect, even on a large screen.


Unfortunately, while Front Row looked awesome, as did music playback, video clips didn’t. Because Apple has chosen to use a very low resolution - 320x240 - to encode videos, they display significant chunkiness and artifacting on a big screen. In other words, it’s hard to keep your eyes off the blocks that keep on appearing in the video, and Apple did not introduce a way for the iMac to send videos to a television. However, you can use one of Apple’s existing AV Cables ($19, sold separately) to output video directly from your iPod to the TV. Again because of the quality, whether you’d want to or not remains an open question.

The other big issue is Fairplay, Apple’s digital rights management software. Fairplay permits you to transfer the videos to five devices, but not to burn them on CDs or DVDs. In two words, that sucks. Given a choice between a $38.99 box set of DVDs from Amazon or a $34.99 download of low-resolution, unburnable video clips, we’d take the DVDs any day of the week. Getting them on to the iPod might not be easy, but frankly, if we’re going to cough up that sort of cash for TV shows, we want better quality and better usage rights than that.

Though Apple got the downloadable TV shows concept, pricing, and day-after-airing implementation entirely right, it got the consumers’ needs portion of the iPod + iTunes equation hugely wrong. When you can do better with an off-the-shelf DVD recorder, VCR, or TiVo than with a paid downloading service, something’s not right. And it needs to be fixed - with higher-resolution video and superior usage rights - before we are going to make any significant purchases of video content from the store.

What About the New iPod’s Music? Photos?

Though it has added video support to its plate, the new iPod’s still a music-focused device. Nothing much has changed about the device’s interface for accessing that music, or photos, or any of the color 4G iPod’s other features - they’re all still there, but on a screen with a lot more white space.

Apple claims that the sound quality has continued to improve on 5G over its predecessors, at least rivalling the iPod shuffle, which was praised for its bass response. We’ll wait to make final judgments on this issue until after we’ve had a chance to sit down in a quiet area with the final unit, but certainly hope that various noise issues identified by ourselves and our readers have been remedied once and for all. On another note, the company regrettably has refused to budge on its preset equalizer settings, still providing a drab list of text options rather than the graphic equalizers so many people have requested.

But the aesthetics of music playback have improved. Album art is now more detailed and larger than before, and the ever-increasing list of potential types of audio content fits easily on the new iPod’s 9-line text display.


[Editor’s Note, Oct. 14, 2005: Because of its importance to podcasters, we devoted a separate report earlier on the 12th to discussing significant new recording capabilities that Apple added to the new iPod. Click on the link for the details.]

Photos are now larger, more detailed, and benefit from an increased number of thumbnails on screen at once - now 30, up from 25 on the color 4G iPod. In a less obvious addition, slideshows can now take advantage of 3-D transition effects - cube, page flip, and twirls among them - making the iPod experience even closer to a Mac OS X photo slideshow experience, too.


Other Features and Omissions

Most predictably, Apple has dropped the old iPod’s extended headphone connector in favor of a simple, right-mounted headphone port. A Hold switch on the left works as before.

Apple’s also kept the Dock Connector on iPod’s bottom, thankfully centered for easy mounting of the iPod on third-party accessories - including almost all of the old standbys that have worked with 3G, 4G and mini iPods in the past. In the only major under-the-hood omission we’re aware of in the new iPod, Apple has in fact dropped FireWire synchronization support, as it did with iPod nano and iPod shuffle, so certain devices (such as Belkin’s camera connector) won’t work. Apple’s iPod Camera Connector, however, will.

To make better use of the Dock Connector, Apple today unveiled the Universal Dock ($39), which is the same size as prior Apple iPod (photo) Docks, and carries the same rear S-Video, data, and audio output ports, but includes two new features. First is an infrared port on the dock’s front, for use with the optional infrared remote controller, Apple Remote, pictured below. Equipped with six simple buttons, the new Remote was said at the event to cost $19, but actually costs $29. It works with Front Row on the iMac, or can be paired with Universal Dock, one device at a time, to control any dockable iPod (3G through 5G, mini, and nano) placed in the Dock. Five adapter plates for 3G, 4G, and mini iPods are included, while nanos, 5Gs and future iPods come with their own adapters. Spares will be sold in 3-packs by model for $9 through Apple.

Its second new feature is a variable line output. Apple reps erred last time and told us that the nano’s Dock would include that feature, but it turned out to be exclusive to the Universal Dock. As a result, the Universal Dock will default at its highest volume level - equivalent to a line-out - then dampen the volume to lower levels if you use the iPod or the Apple Remote. Incidentally, the remote is nice, simple, and small, like an iPod shuffle but larger, and with a “menu” button in addition to volume and track controls.

In the “somewhat predictable” category, Apple’s brought over three new Extras introduced in the iPod nano: a World Clock application, a Stopwatch with Lap Timer, and Screen Lock, a way to prevent unauthorized people from accessing your iPod’s contents.

Less predictably, Apple has opted to include a simple white sleeve-like case with every 5G iPod. Why would they do that, after neglecting to include cases with both black-and-white and color 4G iPods? The answer is simple.

The iPod’s old clear plastic front is back. As we suspected when we saw iPod nano, Apple has reverted back to using a thick layer of clear plastic on top of its white or black base colored plastics, a design which unfortunately has the tendency to show scratches. Like nano. We’ll see whether 5G is nano-esque when we have it in our own hands, but the potential’s there.

Some Initial Thoughts on Value

Apple’s decision to up the base-level iPod’s capacity from 20GB to 30GB was both surprising and impressive: for the same price as last year’s black-and-white 20GB model, this year’s iPod adds photos, some video, and 50% more capacity. At only $50 more than the 4GB iPod nano, the difference in features is compelling in all ways save size.

Regardless of any review the new iPod receives, we’re convinced that Apple has a no-brainer solution for its customers: in every way except battery life and the absent wall charger, you get more this year than you did last year, and even if you didn’t think you wanted one, you’ll now have a hard disk-equipped video player for the cost of last year’s music player - or the cost of a Sony PSP with only 1GB of flash memory. The 30GB iPod is $100 cheaper than the 30GB Zen Vision, too. Unless a competitor can come up with a radically improved device, there’s no question that Apple will have the most popular - not most powerful - video player around by this time next year.

The 60GB iPod generally offers a better value proposition than before, as well. It now eclipses the smaller model in battery life, and yet doesn’t add enough bulk to be considered “big” by historic iPod standards. Considering all the types of content the new iPods can hold, higher capacities finally seem almost justified, whereas the need for 60GB and 80GB drives previously was limited by the small sizes of music collections. We’ll have to see how the devices perform in our tests, but our feeling is that the 60GB model may well prove the smarter buy of the two.

Concluding Thoughts - For Now

Our final shot shows just how much the iPod family has evolved. On the left is the first-generation iPod, thick and heavy, while its successors shrink in size while adding more horsepower by the month. What a great ride, and great evolution it’s been so far.

As always, we look forward to bringing you the best review of the new iPod possible - and doing so responsibly, without rushing and missing details that will be important to you. Because of the new iPod’s unpredictable arrival date, and our desire to do it justice with thorough testing, we hope that you’ll be patient and wait for our comprehensive final review. As always, thanks for your support, and for reading.

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Not bad. I won’t make a big investment on this because theres still the battery issue. I’ll just wait until my photo’s battery dies. The screen is still too small but the good thing is that it is slimmer.

Posted by kbgzp on October 13, 2005 at 1:58 AM (CDT)


Why did they break every accessory that uses the little tab on top of 3G & 4G iPods?

Dammit.  Lots of little things making me not want to buy this…

Posted by stark23x on October 13, 2005 at 3:29 AM (CDT)


Gorgeous looking 5th Gen iPod, gosh. But still I think that the screen is way too small to watch movies on. Maybe just nice to watch some trailers. Thinking of watching a 2-3 hours movie on that screen makes my eyes sore.

Posted by CJ Orange in SG, TWN on October 13, 2005 at 3:41 AM (CDT)


I agree with stark23x….......I just bought a Griffin Airclick and now Apple ditches the extended headphone port and makes their own remote.  The greedy bastards, they did it so now I have to buy a new dock and a remote, and you can’t even use the remote without the dock.  THIS SUCKS!  I applaud them for adding video, but don’t freakin take away useful features!  I can’t even use my stupid iBeam light and laser pointer with the new iPod (even though I hardly used them before; the light has become useful in many situations)  Another stupid thing was goin backwards with battery life on the 30GB, I would’ve much preferred if they kept it the same thickness as the 4G and extended the battery life especially considering it’s a video device, or at least kept the battery life the same as the new 60GB. Also they really should’ve increased the 60GB to 80GB considering they gave the 20GB a 50% increase. Again, NO FREAKIN REPLACEABLE BATTERY!  If they kept it a similar thickness I wouldn’t have to buy new case (considering my iPod armour for my 30GB photo was like $80CDN)  I think it’ll sell like hot cakes, maybe I’ll even get one, but if they kept it more similar to the 4G I’d be running to order one now!

Posted by Vets on October 13, 2005 at 4:43 AM (CDT)


I just ordered mine from Apple UK, called first thing and the girl said I could not order for 2 weeks.  She did not know anything about it said they had not had any training on it yet.  Then I called back later and was apple to order.  Ive gone for 60gb with Universal Dock and remote.  I know a lot of people are going to say how bad the video is but do take into account.  last week it did not have video and this week you can get video for the same price.  You do not have to use the video if you do not want to.

Posted by James81 on October 13, 2005 at 6:20 AM (CDT)


After reading your very enlightening article, it strikes me that video implementation could have been done so much better. A battery life of 2 hours makes watching full films unrealistic, and although I was intrigued by the inclusion of episodes of TV programs in the iTunes music store, not allowing for them to be burnt onto discs or encoding them at a resolution that only fits the ipod again makes no sense.

Maybe some sort of external battery extension accessory (like the one on the shuffle) is on the way for people who wish to view full films.

But in terms of form size, they’ve made the right choice. I wouldn’t buy a PSP or a Zen simply because they wouldn’t fit in my pocket. You’ve very rightly said that this is a music player first with secondary video capabilities.

Posted by Popjunkie in Singapore on October 13, 2005 at 7:26 AM (CDT)


Wow, i really wanted to get this new ipod and sell my 4g.  This has seriously made me reconcider.  2 hours of video time??? omg.  No firewire!?  why not!?  Well…My thing on this is as follows:  Apple wants to take customers from Sony’s PSP during the holidays.  They threw in video which makes customers salivate, (which it does) but totally negates it with a 2-hour battery life (and STILL, NO replaceable battery).  They removed the extended-headphone connector to make using your old accessories obsolete…thus allowing you to purchase brand new ones.  I love my iPod, but ya’ll gotta realize that no matter how much they say “We’re in line with the people”... they still are a business.  There will never be a perfect iPod, because then, there can never be upgrades for people to buy.  Remember the sole purpose of a business is to make money… i’m sticking with my 4g20gb

Posted by hyperactive in Houston on October 13, 2005 at 7:28 AM (CDT)


is it just me or does that scroll wheel look a tad to small?  no firewire!?! you’re killing me apple…

that said, my 3g is getting a little dated and i’m lusting over this like a 9th grader hitting puberty… oh so hot

Posted by tyba1982 on October 13, 2005 at 8:27 AM (CDT)


In your review you compare the new iPod with the PSP: “There’s no question that Apple will have the most popular - not most powerful - video player around by this time next year.”

I think you may have conveniently forgotten that the PSP can also be used to play extraordinary games and has a far larger screen! The new iPod simply can’t compete in those two areas. I’d consider watching movies on a PSP, never on an iPod. As it moves away from music into new areas Apple is going to have a fight on its hands with Sony in the next few years. My money’s on Sony, it’s getting it’s act together.

We’ll look back on the early iPod music years as a golden time for Apple.

Posted by andrewthomas10 on October 13, 2005 at 8:41 AM (CDT)


great news a video iPod….. HANG ON…......

The furthur you read down the page the less likely you are to want to buy one of these i am so dissapointed. i dont know what i think. whether to get it (I CAN SEE WHY IT IS AT BARGAIN PRICES) or stick with the 30 gig photo.

they better make a battery pack for the 5g. AND NEW ITRIPS AND ITALKS AND REMOTES WHICH I CAN NO LONGER USE IF I GET THIS.

I though the motto of most businesses was that the customer comes first??? well not for apple.

I’m not suprised apple dont have a suggestion area openly available for comment cause the employees at apple that would have to read the emails would die from all the abuse they copped.

i dont know wheter or not to wait for improvements that will never happen.

like HYPEractive said. “There will never be a perfect iPod.”

Posted by Myxomatosis on October 13, 2005 at 9:30 AM (CDT)


What a great product…with a few tragic flaws. I’ve been anxiously awaiting Apple to release the video iPod, but now I’m just disappointed. Longer battery life? Perhaps, but not enough. No more firewire support? Gimme a break, the guy who made that decision should be canned. Eliminating the connector so I can’t use my iTrip? That sealed the deal: no video iPod for me. I love watching videos on my PocketPC (even with the small screen size), but the limited space on a flash card means I can only have 1-2 shows on at a time. The iPod showed real potential, and I’d be fine with the small screen, but it falls flat with the design limitations and without an easy way of converting video from DVD or Tivo. Sorry, Apple, you missed the mark. Let’s see what the 6G looks like…

Posted by geekdad on October 13, 2005 at 9:32 AM (CDT)


If you don’t like it, don’t buy it.  It’s perfectly fine for music and is better than any other iPod to date.  Video is an extra, not the main feature.  Stop whining and just go by a PSP or something.

Posted by papayaninja on October 13, 2005 at 12:51 PM (CDT)


Apple doesn’t make easily replaced batteries on any iPod for a reason: doing so adds weight and space for the compartment and plastic to contain the battery as well as encase the battery.

The video portion was very appealing to me until I saw that it’s poor size will not scale well to a 65” HDTV. As was said, why get that when you can get a full quality DVD and watch that. With my (dwindling) rights, I plan to rip DVDs and reformat for the iPod once I get it.

Posted by pecosbill on October 13, 2005 at 1:17 PM (CDT)


While I think they’ve done a remarkable job with the 5G IPod…you would think they’d at least beef up the capacity (ie: 80, or 100gig versions)? I mean, video takes up a lot of space!

I dunno… music videos, and ABC programming? I would have liked to see Apple sign an exclusive with a movie studio, and get full length films (although Id go blind in a week from watching on that tiny screen) instead of a television network.

Posted by Anthony Jason in Boston, Ma on October 13, 2005 at 2:27 PM (CDT)


I hope everyone means replaceable rechargable batteries. If everyone mean dry cells, I’ll never buy another iPod.

Posted by LukeA on October 13, 2005 at 3:40 PM (CDT)


Actually, I think Apple was right on the mark with offering limited video support.  Steve Jobs has said on numerous occasions that people don’t consume video the same way they consume audio - while you will listen to a song hundreds of times, maybe, you will probably only watch a video a couple of times.

Apple has sidestepped that issue nicely - the new iPod is targeted at videos that you will either watch repeatedly (ie: music videos), or throwaway video (tv shows) that you can buy for cheap and view a couple times.  I can see a huge market here: people downloading episodes of their favourite TV shows that they missed (or just want to see without commercials) to watch on the subway commute to work every week.  If you want a “keeper” copy of the first season of Lost (or whatever), then go get the DVD set.

The lower resolution of the videos makes them quicker to download and transfer to your iPod, and they’ll take up less space.

And as for full-length videos?  Who is going to sit and stare at an itty bitty screen for 3 hours?  Whose commute is that long?  Go get the DVD and watch it at home.

The iPod is still first and foremost a music player - video is just a bonus, not the main feature.  That’s why they didn’t call it the iPod Video, just “the iPod with video capability”.

Posted by sophiewhite on October 13, 2005 at 3:41 PM (CDT)


The iPod always has been designed for music playback first and foremost.  I love my 60GB iPod Photo but after a year with it I’ve found the screen is for crap for viewing photos.  Which is why I haven’t touched the feature since probably November of last year.  I think long-term people are going to find video to be the same experience.  A half***ed attempt to bring the iPod kicking and screaming into the world of multimedia.  It’s pretty obvious that Apple doesn’t want a thing to do with video and that it’s apparent from the lack of innovation in its form factor.  (e.g.  Maintaining the traditional iPod FF is more important then a larger screen and as a result a better viewing expierence.)
As it stands I fully expect the market to yawn at this latest release.  Oh I know they are going to sell because it’s now the only large capacity iPod on the market.  But by and large people are not going to care about the video features because of three things: screen size (Or lack there of.), battery life (Or lack there of.), and resolution output support (Or lack there of.).  It all adds up to a crappy system…for playing movies.  Audio is the same as it ever was which is the goal of Apple unfortunately.  That being: Don’t dick with what we’ve already got.
As some have said on the thread if you want movie playback get something that was designed around video playback.  If you want music playback get an iPod.  Personally I’m probably going to nab myself a PSP plus the extended battery/hard drive this fall for viewing movies.  But what the people who are saying “just go by something else

Posted by SiliconAddict in US, Minnesota on October 13, 2005 at 5:03 PM (CDT)


What a difference a few years make…..

Steve Jobs:  Who wants to watch video on a dinky little 2 or 3 inch screen?  I don’t anticpate we’ll ever have video on our iPods.

Posted by glockster in U.S. on October 13, 2005 at 5:10 PM (CDT)


STOP!  Look at the big picture here.  Everything needs improvement - including iPod. They aren’t going after just current outdated ipod owners myself, but to pull in those who don’t own one yet.  This is the clincher - video. 

Granted, unskilled computer users won’t figure out how to put a movie on a iPod until the easiest of tutorials come out - but people like myself have already got our movie collection waiting to load(can we say Nero..hint hint)and for those of you wondering - you can fit a lot of movies on a 30g drive - a full movie can be ripped at about 500 - 600 mb.

Im cranked - I’ve been waiting to upgrade my 4G 20gig from 2003. 

And for all those who think this is gonna stop at iTunes movies - you are dead wrong - just look around at what you can play on a PSP - WITH ONLY A FLASH MEMORY CARD!  This thing has MAD potential.


Posted by Big Mark on October 13, 2005 at 5:20 PM (CDT)


Think about this: There have been no Firewire equipped iPods since the Intel deal. Who invented the USB standard? Coincidence? This is a bull shit concession to Intel.

Posted by mcdermd on October 13, 2005 at 7:47 PM (CDT)


no wall charger? now that makes absolutely no sense at all. Mine doesn’t even charge through the computer like it’s supposed to.

Posted by mrtambourineman on October 13, 2005 at 8:29 PM (CDT)


For me the short battery life when playing videos is a deal killer. Frankly, even at $100 more, the battery configuration and larger screen size make the Zen Vision a more attractive product.  Also, the host of problems that folks seem to be having with the iPod Color/ Photo makes me wonder about how well the iPod video will perform in the real world.

Posted by OrthoDave on October 13, 2005 at 8:46 PM (CDT)


Take a look at this:
It took 24 hours to figure out.  Do you think that they battery will last long enough?

Posted by TheJunk on October 13, 2005 at 8:47 PM (CDT)


I don’t have any interest in video on an iPod but would fool with it some if I had it…that said, the bottom line is this. Is the 5G a better MP3 player than my Photo?

I think the answer is clear.

Posted by jstraw on October 13, 2005 at 8:51 PM (CDT)


it seems as if someone is lying

in the reveiw they said there will be

“four flavors”

but on apples site you can only pre-order 2

and at apple insider they said there would

be no video, no one would like it,

and it seems no one does.

Posted by Apple_iPod on October 13, 2005 at 9:08 PM (CDT)


Yet another new iPod? How many times are they going to keep bringing out a new version of this thing? The last one was only out fairly recently. The people that buy one of these new video versions must expect that there’ll be a new one by the end of this year - and Apple always convinces you that the latest one is the finest thing that they’ve ever done….until a few months later when Mr. Jobs is standing on stage with his new baby and and you look at your own iPod and it feels a just a little less desirable than the day before - and you feel slightly cheated. I accept progress is good but maybe they should increase the gaps between new versions so they can make sure that they’ve really ironed out all the glitches and faults from the previous version first.

Another thing is, isn’t really is about time that Apple made the iPod more durable? It’s kind of annoying to have such an attractive looking product that funtions very well but scratches if you look at it the wrong way! My 40gb Photo actually came pre-scratched courtesy of the factory! You know there’s a problem when you look at the vast number of different aftermarket cases available out there for the iPod. Why can’t Apple just solve this problem and try to bring it up to the standards we generally see from consumer electronics companies (Sony, Panasonic et al.) and mobile/cellphone manufacturers - that have been churning out gadgets & ‘phones that can still look in pretty good shape after a few years of normal usage. How difficult can this be?

Posted by Luke74 on October 13, 2005 at 9:09 PM (CDT)


Be grateful we have video at all. Apple could’ve just as well released a new iPod with no video capability.

Cut them some slack. No, they didn’t do video perfectly…

But it’s coming as close to perfect as anything has so far.

Posted by iJman on October 13, 2005 at 9:13 PM (CDT)


Luke: I got a better idea, why don’t they use the same material as the Mini… My Mini still looks brand new, and my Nano a few weeks old looks like crap already, and no I am not playing with it in a sandbox :) The iPod Video model doesn’t move me at all. Screen is too small and you can get a Sony PSP that looks much better in widescreen and play some pretty cool games etc..

Posted by Farscape1 on October 13, 2005 at 11:24 PM (CDT)



Please.  That is just not true.  Several others have better hardware then Apple, better battery life, a larger screen, supports better resolutions, and supports more codecs *coughs*Divxx*coughs* 
I won’t cut them some slack because this is *Booming voice* Apple.  Who is suppose to be about a quality experience.  Which when it comes to video is way off the mark.  Apple could have made a kick *** video iPod.  But they have no idea which way the market is swinging.  So they do the only thing that can guarantee that the device will sell: put it in the main iPod unit. 
There is zero risk with this move. 
If they were really serious about video you would see the same move that they did with the Photo.  e.g.  An upper iPod video line while maintaining the “standard” iPod line. 
The only thing iPod with Video has going for it right now is iTunes + ITMS.  Reviewed from simply a video player perspective its a pretty bad solution.

Posted by SiliconAddict in US, Minnesota on October 14, 2005 at 1:52 AM (CDT)


First of all i want to say that everyone who says its an iPod first, video player second is right. This iPod is NOT meant to be the solution to the portable video player.  Apple is just getting it’s feet wet to test how the market will react. As reported on, they are planning a real VIDEO iPod for release in 2006. This version should be widescreen - something to really compete with the PSP. Comparing the PSP to the 5G iPod is stupid. They are two totally different devices. The PSP is all about playing video games and watching movies. The 5G iPod is about listening to music and having the ability to watch music videos and TV Shows.

Apple knows nobody in their right mind would watch a 2-hour movie on a 2.5 inch screen - so why have feature length downloads available?

I assure you, a VIDEO iPod is in the works - and will come out - but not until next year!

Until then - enjoy the video playback you can on the new 5G and wait until the real video iPod comes out to watch feature length movies.

Posted by iluvthsgam on October 14, 2005 at 2:24 AM (CDT)


Not one word…... the posts or comments…

...about what I consider the must have feature in this model:  22 K mono audio recording (and the ability to add 44.1 (16 bit??) stereo (CD audio quality?)... opposed to the dictation quality 8K recording ability before….

What makes this a big deal?

Whereever your iPod is you have a 5 oz PODCAST RECORDING STUDIO.  And podcasting’s only going to grow.  It’s the audio equivalent of a great point and shoot digital camera!! (if the quality’s there)

Surprised no one’s making any fuss about this.

It’s gonna get me to spend a few hundred iBucks….....  ...which otherwise were going to go to eiher a Sony Minidisc recorder (about $250-300) or an Eridol R-1 recorder (about $375-$450).... long as the reviews show it’s the real deal at least.

And it won’t just be me…....

But NO FIREWIRE is just stupid and sucky….. I was definitely expecting 80 GB…  ...and abandoning all the old accessorties…  ...well, Apple does that kind of thig over and over.

Posted by bigpics on October 14, 2005 at 2:27 AM (CDT)


Does anyone know a more efficient program to reencode files to .mp4 or .mov (H.264). Quicktime 7 takes way too long.And I have 100 gbs that I am looking to convert.

Posted by bobznc on October 14, 2005 at 3:36 AM (CDT)


So when are they going to put on iTunes ?  They should put the daily baseball highlights every moring just like a podcast.

Posted by davemesaaz on October 14, 2005 at 4:13 AM (CDT)


Video format!!!!!!! Why do I want to get a iPod which plays limited video formats whilst I have tons of DivX, Windows media, etc ? Why should I pay for that “Lost” episode from iTine store if I already have that in DVD and all I want is transfer it to the iPod?

Posted by ericjonah on October 14, 2005 at 6:22 AM (CDT)


Some of you guys are staggeringly short-sighted or self-centered.

It is ridiculous to critique an item based on what *you* think it should be rather than what the creators intended it to be. You *can* do it, of course, but it adds little to the overall dialogue. It’s like writing a review for a movie that says “I don’t like it because its not *my* kind of movie.”

Not too helpful.

Apple is not trying to sell a PMP for a few thousand geeks, they are trying to sell a new iPod to tens of millions of average consumers.

-Don’t mention the PSP. Give it up fanboys; it’s a flop. It can’t even keep up with the Nintendo DS in sales. One of the big reasons it is a flop is because it requires two hands to hold. The video iPod will sell more units in its first month than the PSP has sold in its entire run.

-Screen size. If you make the screen size as big as the PSP (or any PMP), it is no longer conevnient to carry and impossible to operate with one hand. So you have to choose one or the other. Apple made the display as large as it could be without wrecking the ergonomics.

-Since the screen is “too small” for video, I assume that none of you nay sayers have, or want, video on your cell phones, most of which have a smaller screen than the new iPod.

-There are a lot of PMP geeks here, but lazy ones I guess. I have already ripped and encoded 6 dvd’s for transfer to my iPod when it arrives. Not too tough. And, in a month or two, there will be *dozens* of cheap or free apps to convert any video source into iPod format.

For kicks, those of you uber-nerds should go to some of the old Apple boards and dig up the comments from when the original iPod was released. Exact same sh** you’re spouting now: not enough formats! not original! bad battery life!

You were wrong then, you’re wrong now.
This new iPod will sell as many, if not more, than the previous models and really kickstart video-on-demand.

Posted by mattjumbo on October 14, 2005 at 7:31 AM (CDT)


I know Jeremy will have a full review in the works, but can anyone tell me if this device supports lyrics display like the Nano?

Posted by entelechy on October 14, 2005 at 9:01 AM (CDT)


Im surprised no one has noticed that 320x240 is the psp’s format size for playing encoded movies.  I was successful adding my old psp encodes into itunes.  So if things work out like how I hope I should only have to encode once for both devices.  We might actually start seeing torrents that support both devices. 

I feel like one of the few people that actually downloaded an episode of Lost from ITMS to check out the quality before I spewed my garbage into the forums.  A lot of people are commenting on the poor resolution (QVGA) without actually trying it out.  Of coarse 320x240 on your HDTV isn’t gonna rock anyones socks but for a regular tv.  It ain’t too shabby.

320x240 is obviously not going to win any applauds but I was really impressed impressed.  I plugged my Mac Mini to my tv and played Lost ep 1 (bought from the ITMS) in full screen mode.  My family members (the average home user) couldn’t tell the difference between that and a live show.  Of coarse I can,  if I sit 1-2 feet away from the screen I can notice a lot of artifacts.  But who watches this close?  I was sitting back on my sofa 10 feet away and I was impressed.  Native resolution of a regular tv is only like 640x480 anyways. 

I personally don’t think this was a half @55ed plan from apple to supply video.  If Apple did make a true PMP like all you guys hoped for….  where would the content come from?  Apple needs to build the infrastructure first before it can bring out a new true Video ipod.  Apple isn’t just trying to sell a device….. Apple is trying to sell the whole solution.  I wouldn’t mind paying 4 dollars for a month subscripting to my favorite show. 

Things I’m hoping for in a year.  Apple selling 640x480 video encodes from ITMS.  Apple selling a PMP with a 640x480 screen.  It would be nice for a subscription of Lost in ITMS, and then the dvds in the mail when they come out.  <—That at a reasonable price (around amazon’s prices) would be hot in my opinion.  Maybe then I wouldn’t have to run my azureus all the time now eh?

Posted by s0ymilk on October 14, 2005 at 9:32 AM (CDT)


This iPod is only about larger screen and thinner figure.
The video portion is light years behind many competitors.
I would also rather wait to get a more complete product. Unfortunately Apple is experimenting on our back (or wallets).

Apple still caters to the affluent folks and they know the students who saved $400 for G2 or G3, will not buy the new iPod.
For people who ask for 80GB - not doable because there is no 80GB HDD with a 1.8 inch footprint (yet).

Posted by nyalien in New York on October 14, 2005 at 10:33 AM (CDT)


I think most of you are seriously under estimating the video capabilities - your not looking outside the box.  PSP for video sucks bad!  With the exception of the UMD discs, you cannot put crap on those memory cards.

I have already converted a dvd movie to the iPod video specifications using Nero Recode and am just waiting for my ipod to arrive to load it.  30gig!  That is a lot of space for full movies!!! The movie I converted came to 670mb and looks fantastic.  Small - yes, watchable - oh heck yeah.  For just a “plus”, the video portion of iPod is gonna run portable movie market.

You will see different opinions once the tutorials start popping online on how to put great looking video on iPod.

Again - trust me - the movies I converted to MP4, 320x240 display and AAC-LC audio looks bang on

Posted by Big Mark on October 14, 2005 at 11:23 AM (CDT)


Two big things here that not too many people are mentioning. One, which someone did mention, is the recording in 44k stereo straight to the ipod. That’s pretty sweet and a huge jump from 8k before. Two, on apple’s ipod specs page, it says the ipod can handle 480x480 mpeg4 video (not too sure about the ratio there). Which would be close to the same resolution as… DVDs. Like people said above, the video option on this version is purely to test the market for demand and to develop the infrastructure to do something bigger and better. Just wait.

Posted by timpone on October 14, 2005 at 1:37 PM (CDT)


I think some of us here are being slightly moronic. This is not an iPod Video. It’s an iPod. Oh yeah, it also has video, but it’s not a main feature. If Apple really wanted to make an iPod Video, I’m sure they could. Look at the iMac G5. Their engineers apparently aren’t idiots.

If Apple was looking for a way to bring video as the main feature, they would have made the screen larger. However, if they made the screen any bigger, it would be too big to be conenient. I think a solution for this would be a “Video Dock”, comparable to the Bose “Sound Dock” where you can plug your iPod into a portable TV screen and watch a movie on that.

I am getting one of these iPods. My 3G is old and dumb. I’m only going to use the video on long car trips and guess what? The battery life won’t be an issue. I’ll get a car charger! Or will there not be a car charger?

One question—Can I use my 3G wall charger on the 5G iPod since the dock ports are the same? If I can you all are dumb for complaining about the lack of wall charger… Just go buy one for $30 and quit complaining!


Posted by thevenerablez on October 14, 2005 at 3:11 PM (CDT)


bigpics… good call! I noticed the audio spec as well.
Anyone know more about how it will work?

bigpics said “...about what I consider the must have feature in this model:  22 K mono audio recording (and the ability to add 44.1 (16 bit??) stereo (CD audio quality?)... opposed to the dictation quality 8K recording ability before..”


Posted by Greg Smith on October 14, 2005 at 4:18 PM (CDT)



where is the 80?

20 hour battery / 2 = crap!

where is the long battery life?

ah hell, ill buy one anyway.

Posted by Apple_iPod on October 14, 2005 at 6:21 PM (CDT)


My prediction: Fall 2006 Apple rolls out the 6G iPod video with its “revolutionary” 4.25” 16:9 “click screen” which rolls the funtionality of the click wheel into the screen itself. It will have an 80G hard drive. Battery life will still be an issue, but will be an improvement over the current models.

We will also trade in our cars for hydrogen powered rocket packs and food will come in pill.

Posted by BuddyCole on October 14, 2005 at 6:25 PM (CDT)



Nope. I’m making the same jump as you. (well, 1g to 3g to 5g) The 5g’s only support USB/ Which sucks ass, but I am just going to go on eBay and find a knock off USB wall charger, I did it for my dock, which was 8 bucks and supports both Firewire and USB.

Still, does anyone know another program that will recode divx, 3ivx, xivd in a more efficent manner than Quicktime 7. I’ve been recoding a ripped copy of Clockwork Orange, and it has been going for over 18 hours and still isn;t done. I’m going to try Nero Recode, but it’ll be in Virtual PC which will still be slow.

Posted by bobznc on October 14, 2005 at 7:13 PM (CDT)



heres a guide

Posted by s0ymilk on October 14, 2005 at 7:39 PM (CDT)


“I think you may have conveniently forgotten that the PSP can also be used to play extraordinary games and has a far larger screen!”

Can you put it in your pocket?  Can it hold 75/150 hours of video?

Obviously, this iPod is designed for music, music video, photos and short video/tv programs.  For crap’s sake, it you want a larger screen use the TV Out feature!

Posted by The Raven in USA on October 14, 2005 at 8:06 PM (CDT)



Thanks, I’ll try that out. Awesome source, haha.

Posted by bobznc on October 14, 2005 at 8:29 PM (CDT)


TV OUT query -—?  THIS COULD BE THE GREAT UNDISCUSSED FEATURE.  Watch the the Steve Jobs speech introducing the new iPod at .  At some point, Jobs takes his iPod, holds it up and says, “I have this iPod ‘hotwired’ so you can see it on this big screen.”  Then, he proceeds to control the iPod on his bigscreen.  The viewer can see as he scrolls playlists and chooses music.  The fonts are nice and large (relative to screen size).

DOES this mean that the user can do ther same?  How great it will be to have a remote (the new Apple Remote and Universal Dock) which would actually display all your song and video lists in big fonts on your TV screen (viewable from across the room!).

Or, was it just a special wired setup for the show/presentation?  Keeping my fingers crossed…

p.s. video geeks stop whining.  This is the coolest iPod music player ever, and it also happens to have a fun video feature that you can use or not as you like.  Do not lose sight of the fact that if this had no video feature, but everything else it has, everyone would be hailing it as a great improvement with no price increase.  I hatre USB 2.0 switch though.

Posted by sleestak on October 14, 2005 at 9:47 PM (CDT)


DUH…apple isnt gunna jam every feautre into one ipod then they would have no room for take is that the video is a waiting for the review to see if you can take your downloaded videos that you have and put htem on the pod…i already put some of mine into itunes..  .mpg format add right away. ..the ipod is good with the large screen and makes album art and everything in great detail…i sold my 4th gen ipod 20bg and my mini to get money for this.. i havent yet experiences for my own a ipod in color and this is about as good as it gunna get ...i know apple could have made a 30 hour battery ipod but then there no room for improvement..if you keep trying to keep up with technology youll never win

Posted by flip9014 in Cary, NC on October 14, 2005 at 10:01 PM (CDT)


apple lies on battery life,

has anyone gotten the battery life apple

says the Ipod has?

i would like to know.

Posted by Apple_iPod on October 14, 2005 at 10:11 PM (CDT)



I herd in the reveiw that there making the

ipods in “Four flavors”,

how come there only selling two on there web


am i wrong?

Posted by Apple_iPod on October 14, 2005 at 10:16 PM (CDT)


When I first heard that the new iPod would be offering video capabilities, I was angry because I just bought a Photo a few months ago (I knew I should’ve waited until the holidays). Now I’m a bit relieved after reading this review. While the small size and video capability makes me want it, the battery life (which was never an issue for me) made me feel less inclined to sell the one I have now just to get this one. The only reason I’d get this is for the video, but considering that it’s only 2-3 hours worth isn’t enough for me to give up my current iPod. Although the price and size of the 60GB is making me reconsider… and I could always buy a battery pack that would give me another 3-4 hours worth of videos…

I don’t know just yet. I’ll wait to read a full review before doing anything.

Posted by NeoNecron on October 14, 2005 at 10:55 PM (CDT)


I am having the same debate as everyone else here.  I have a 60gb iPod photo (4G) and wish it was smaller, but if this (5G) is going to end up looking like crap in no time (like the nano), I don’t want it!  Do we know if this is supposed to have all the same problems with cracking and scratching and everything that plague the nano?

Posted by allyn274 on October 14, 2005 at 11:57 PM (CDT)


by 4 flavors, they mean:

1.  30 gig, white
2.  30 gig, black
3.  60 gig, white
4.  60 gig, black

confused me at first too.  had to reread it.

Posted by alternapop on October 15, 2005 at 1:22 AM (CDT)


I travel a lot throughout Europe and the Middle East for business and think the iPod video will be great.  I can watch it on planes.  I can watch it in hotels.  Ideally, I would like to load up a bunch of rented DVDs to watch on the road.  I’m not sure if iTunes will eventually offer a way to do this, but I bet someone will come up with an application to make this possible, even easy.  I’m used to watching videos on tiny airplane screens, so the iPod display seems fine to me.  Of course, a bigger screen would be nicer, but it would make the iPod larger and consume more power (i.e. shorter battery life).  I find the current screen an acceptable trade-off.  Bottom-line, I ordered one the day it was announced and look forward to it enriching the more boring aspects of business travel.

Posted by Business Traveler on October 15, 2005 at 4:07 AM (CDT)


Once again, Steve Jobs saves the record industry’s ar$es. Think about it:

Ever since the beginning of MTV, music videos have been just as important (if not more so) to an artist/song’s success as the actual music. Sometimes the singer’s appearance or director’s message is even more memorable than the song itself. Basically, the music industry has been using visual stimulation to sell albums.

Unfortunately for the industry, we now have online a la carte and subscription music stores (not to mention P2P), and the ability to sample, purchase, and use our music completely independent of the likes of MTV, VH1, etc. This has to be bad for companies that have spent the better part of the last 20 years signing artists based on their looks or gimmicks, rather than their musical ability.

Suddenly Apple has installed video capability on the world’s most popluar portable audio device since the Walkman, as well as provide customers with an easy to use source to purchase those music videos from. Now all of those over-priveleged posers strutting around with their 10-album, top-40 CD collections stored on their 20gig iPods will have the ability to watch their ‘favorite’ artists, rather than having to keep enduring the unbearable torture of actually listening to them. It’ll be like MTV (way back when they still played music) in the palm of your hand.

Rest assured, Apple’s gonna make money hand-over-fist with this one.

Posted by fondy44 on October 15, 2005 at 6:19 AM (CDT)


I don’t like the flat look on the front, it looks dated.  I liked more the rounded corners on the 4g.

Anyone else agrees?


Posted by Beckylane on October 15, 2005 at 11:18 AM (CDT)


Looks great BUT
How can i use the iTrip so well, the present one with LCD fits on the top making it easy to hold (example kids in the back of the car), but the main problem is now i can’t use the bottom conecter to power the ipod (so i dont use the battery and wear it out), and keep it lit up very useful at night driving.

I can use the iTrip at home also, so i dont want the very lastest iTrip connecting at he bottem, PLEASE how can i power it in the car or home (i want it neat as i was, not using that monster adapter for the car that istill cant use it home.

Concerns for less battery (god how can you watch more than a couple of hours, say on a long journey,

Also with the new plastic front (a retro step) its gonna look a mess very quickly, and thats a shame, these are otherwise very desirable.

Please Apple, give us our top connecter back, im staying with my 60g colour, untill it packs up, by then i want a built in radio transmitter. 

A real shame for what looks such a beauty !

Got any ideas please Griffin as Apple sadly dont look like they care

Moving to the bottom connector requires new ID and brings into the concerns of power and how you manage the pass-thru capabilities in your ID.

Posted by Cadgwith Lizard on October 15, 2005 at 12:27 PM (CDT)


“My prediction: Fall 2006 Apple rolls out the 6G iPod video with its “revolutionary

Posted by Shams in Dhaka,Bangladesh on October 15, 2005 at 2:30 PM (CDT)


This is my take on the “four flavors”...

30GB white
30GB black
60GB white
60GB black

see? four!

Posted by thevenerablez on October 15, 2005 at 7:54 PM (CDT)


Do we know yet if the iTunes visualizer will work on the new iPod?

Posted by moonliner in Seattle on October 15, 2005 at 10:52 PM (CDT)


Hey, I’m not going to make any sweeping comments about the new iPod since I haven’t got one yet, but I’d like to ask one question of the editors. What do you mean when you say that iTunes 6 will not allow you to burn your video downloads to a data cd? I’ve just downloaded 4 music videos and a pixar short, and they burned fine to a CDR immediately, with no hassle from iTunes. You have to put them in a new playlist before you can burn them, but that seems pretty standard. The videos can be played back in Quicktime if you don’t like watching them in the iTunes window. (They also seem a little smoother in Quicktime, but I think that is because of all the background tasks that iTunes was doing at the time) Anyway, please clarify. I got kind of scared when you reported that iTunes wouldn’t allow you to burn the videos at all.

Posted by supideo5 on October 16, 2005 at 1:18 AM (CDT)


BTW - I am kind of miffed about the firewire absence, since I’m currently using an upgraded G4 cube without USB 2.0. I’ve always considered USB 2 a pale comparison to firewire, and anyone who has used an iPod both ways knows what I mean. Using FireWire my iPod mounts on a newer mac (an iBook G4) within seconds, using USB 2 on the same mac it takes almost ten times as long to mount and be recognized by iTunes. I’ve seen the same reaction times on (many) a PC. It’s really too bad that Apple’s decided to ditch one of the fastest peripheral connections available. (And yes, I know that “theoretically” USB 2 is faster than FireWire, but I have never seen a USB 2 device outperform a FireWire one. Not once. Especially an iPod. Thanks for letting me blow off some steam.

Posted by supideo5 on October 16, 2005 at 1:41 AM (CDT)



I was just wondering… it says the iPod only supports 320x240 H.264 and 480x480 MP4 right…. So if I have a file that is say 640x480 H.264, will the iPod scale it down or will it just not work with the iPod?

Posted by ihayden on October 16, 2005 at 4:30 AM (CDT)


Free Video iPod, Really? 
Check out this website - you can get a totally FREE iPod

I’ve signed up and I think you should too.

Just click here:

Here are a links about stories stating it is true.,2125,64614-2,00.html?tw=wn_story_page_next1

Here is how to do it.
1.  Go to
2.  Complete registration with email and password.
3.  Apply for one of their offers.
  Blockbuster Online; Columbia House DVD; Citi Credit Cards; Credit Report; BMG Music; FHM or Shape Magazine; others.
4. Who doesn’t need more cds so I signed up to BMG.
5. Link brings you directly to BMG and you sign up to commit that stuff.
6. Then it is up to you to get 5 people to do the same. 
7.  You recieve an email with your own “R number” and you too can see if it is true.

Besides people telling me it does not work, anyone who has actually tried this and recieved their FREE iPod?

I will let everyone know if it works.

Posted by old guy on October 16, 2005 at 8:19 AM (CDT)



NO remote socket next to headphone jack (read: obsolete peripherals—even THEIR OWN headphone remote)

NO FireWire support (read: won’t work with old cables, docks, and chargers)

NO real improvement in battery life (read: 30GB model LOST playback time!!!)

NO easy way to import your own DVD’s (read: further erosion of user rights)

LAME Universal Dock (they’re so ashamed it’s ANCIENT infrared technology that even THEY don’t mention it)

LAME Remote (INFRARED!!!, and won’t even control iPod directly, but only through dock)

SORRY APPLE, but I’m gonna pick myself up a used First Generation iPod, replace the battery with a vastly superior after-market product, and upgrade the HD to 100GB—all for the price of this “one more thing…”

I’ll be rockin so hard I can’t wait.  NEVER OUT OF STYLE!  Ha!

Posted by kbrening on October 16, 2005 at 5:12 PM (CDT)


Great article. Thanks for the update Apple and ipodlounge. I look forward to finally getting a new iPod. This 5g iPod is in my own opinion, great for users of the 2g iPod. Users who didn’t really think the extra features mattered much and thought 10gigs was enough. For the past 2 1/2 years I’ve used my 2g for music and transporting projects. It is very convenient. I bought it when it just came out and it was $399! Now for $299 I can get a brand new matte black, smaller thinner, 30gig, longer battery life, color bigger screen, with video, all the extra features (on-the-go playlists, time always displayed at the top, etc.) and soon to be updated peripherals. This is a super upgrade for me. All that obvious stuff aside…

After reading its specs and seeing the ‘low’ and ‘high’ audio recording settings, that answered what I hoped it would have. (READ ALSO: This 5G iPod directly competes with Sony’s new version of its very convenient, very low-key, minidisc format - more precisely with its newer HiMD format (that records 44.1k stereo files AND finally has Mac support) What makes this even more convenient is that I don’t have to carry around HiMD discs. I have 30-60gigs at my disposal. I was about to purchase the Sony MZ-M100 $389 which features USB, optical Line-in, and backlit screen. I’m glad a I held off. This iPod will be a blast for podcasters and amateur/hobby recordists.

As for the video quality not being up to snuff. 320 x 240 happens to be the resolution that most VJ’s project at. VJ’s yes VJ’s. You too can be one. Buy a pair of Video ipods and any Edirol video mixer and now you can rock the party with visuals. Too much $$? Skip the video mixer and just use a $10 video game console switcher. Remember you’ll still need the projector. I’m sure some 3rd party vendor will create a video mixer just for the 5G iPod (like Numark did for previous generation iPods)

So there are many other markets and people just waiting for something like this to come along. Even if just for the audio and slimmer size alone, at $299 - this long time iPod user can finally retire his 2G iPod, or wait! I’ll have 2 iPods! I can DJ now! well not quite… being able to set loop points, scratch or change the tempo using the wheel would be a great addition. Only in my wildest dreams or is someone working on that with the Linux version?

Posted by luchicreo on October 16, 2005 at 6:34 PM (CDT)


I ordered my 5G iPod on Friday. I’ll try to answer any questions that require owning one then. If you have any questions, address them to “zach” in this post and I will keep a running record of them and answer them all once I get my iPod.


Posted by thevenerablez on October 16, 2005 at 6:52 PM (CDT)


Hey, “Apple_iPod”:

Do the math: 30GB in White or Black
60GB in White or Black… a little lame, but those are your “four flavors” - vanilla or licorice in two sizes each.

On a lighter note, thanks to the growing chorus of reason, re: it’s a music player first, with the video as an initial foray into the portable video market. For those crying loudest about the small screen, etc.: It’ll look just fine as you repeatedly watch “Weird Science” while sitting in your parent’s basement.

Posted by TatersDad on October 16, 2005 at 9:37 PM (CDT)


I’m not so much worried about the features. I’m worried about Apple releasing a new and improved 5th gen. I can see it now:

iPod Video Widescreen
iPod Video Mini
iPod Video Nano
iPod Video Nano w/Widescreen

That just aggravates me that apple does that.

Posted by hugznotthugzkidz on October 17, 2005 at 3:22 AM (CDT)


My biggest issue is how apple sprung the 5G pretty much out of nowhere. I have a quite out of date 3G, which is nowhere near capable of holding all the music I have. So recently I was considering buying a 60g 4G. Luckily I didn’t. Imagine how upset I would have been if I had bought one, and then less than a month later the 5G came out at the same price. I’m hesitant now to but a 5G, because for all we know the 6G with full convergance(music, pictures, video playback, camera, video recorder, and cell phone) will be out by thanksgiving for the exact same pro

Posted by wasco211 on October 17, 2005 at 4:26 AM (CDT)


Well I think it’s great.  I’ve already placed my order for a black 60GB model, and EyeTV has been recording away.

Anyone know if Belkin’s battery packs will work with the new iPods?

Posted by Gordy. in Atlanta, GA on October 17, 2005 at 11:56 AM (CDT)


i have a PSP and i want the video ipod, the video ipod has one huge advantage over the psp… psp has a 512 memory stick where the video ipod has 60 gigs

Posted by cb2k76 on October 17, 2005 at 9:55 PM (CDT)


Does anyone know the relese dates of all

ipods? such as 1st, 2nd, 3rd, mini, 4th,

photo, 4th (color), nano, and the new one.

im shure it would help us all in deciding

to buy one or not.

Posted by Apple_iPod on October 17, 2005 at 10:06 PM (CDT)


It’s never less than a year Apple_iPod, so if feel like waitin’ a year go ahead. Apple has been working on this iPod and the Nano for a while now (the Minis and 4Gs were around for a while) and this is going to be their iPod pair for a while now. To keep sales up I heard Apple is going to make new colors of this iPod (blue, hot pink, green etc. etc.), and I heard they’re going to upgrade the Nano’s capacity to 4 GBs and 6 GBs. The Shuffle’s memory will be upgraded as well (but who the hell cares?). I’ve heard a few rumors as well that an iPod with full video capability won’t be made for a while now. Apple is planning to make a new machine (probably called an i-Something), and this will be a featured video player. It will be larger than this iPod to accomodate a larger screen and will prolly be closer to the size of a Zen/PSP. The iPod will always be a MUSIC player and don’t expect that to be seconded to video. This iPod will be around for a while so you might as well buy it now to get the most use out of it. People are saying a new one will be out by next spring, that’s BS because Apple hasn’t invented a battery yet that will power the iPod with a larger screen but still making the iPod smaller. That’s why the size of this iPod isn’t much smaller. It’s also pretty hard to stuff 60 GB in a space smaller than that used to hold only 20 GB (4G anyone?).

Posted by MCnigga on October 17, 2005 at 11:02 PM (CDT)


thanks for the info MCnigga,

I was just thinking of waiting or hoping

an 80GB with more battery power.

i agree music comes first and that is why

im thinking about waiting.

i was just trying to look for a pattern in

apples releses. it is a garentee that the

nano will get an upgrade before the

regular ipod but who knowas, it’s apple

Posted by Apple_iPod on October 18, 2005 at 12:08 AM (CDT)


Apple iPod:

You can download an app called “Mactracker”


But anyway here are all the release dates:

iPod (5 GB) - October 2001
iPod (10GB) - March 2002 (July 2002 slimmer model)
iPod (20GB) - July 2002
iPod (Dock Connector) - April 2003
iPod mini (1G) - January 2004
iPod (Click Wheel) - July 2004
iPod U2 - October 2004
iPod Photo - October 2004
iPod Shuffle - January 2005
iPod mini (2G) - February 2005
iPod (with Colour display) - June 2005
iPod U2 (Colour) - June 2005
iPod nano - September 7 2005
iPod 5G - October 12 2005

Posted by ihayden on October 18, 2005 at 4:57 AM (CDT)


My spin on it:

I own a 3G 20GB, 512MB Shuffle I won from work, a 4GB black nano and a sealed 4GB black nano I redeemed using some spiff points from work.

I plan on selling the sealed nano and putting that money towards most likely a 5G 60GB.


The 3G has turned from my only daily use iPod to the ‘car iPod.’  I’ve had it since late 2003, love it as I do and have used it daily since maybe a month or two after I got it, it’s old.  And no, not in the fashion sense, it’s got some things running against it:  Though in nearly perfect shape (scratches, et. al), I recently dropped it from a height of maybe 4.5 feet, accidentally of course, and it bounced a couple times on the ground.  Though it dwelled in its venerable grey iPod sock (IMO, best case for any iPod, never received any additional damage since using it, praise overpriced wool!  Glad it was given to me.), it seems like the housing for the dock connector got the tiniest bit tweaked on one side.  I can still plug my Belkin auto adapter into it, but it takes a little effort that only bothers me deep in the back of my mind, connector housing looks perfectly fine though as does the connector.  Ever since getting my nano though, I fell in love with the simple color display too.  That’s two strikes.  Third one isn’t directly affecting the 3G, it happens on the nano as well, that being the Random Reset of Annoyance.  The hard drive-based 3G and the flashilicious nano seem to not agree with one particular song (which in a list of 500 or so I’m NOT going to experiment finding out which one it is, I’ve been shuffling/randomizing my music since I got my first discman, no fear of the unknown here) and therefore will reset.  It’s no big deal but definitely an interruption that I don’t like, my work commute is short enough in the car that I’d like to get in as much music as possible.  The reset time on the hard drive 3G is a bugger, I never timed it but it’s something like 20-30 seconds or so.  The nano is quick as lightning with it’s average 3 second restart time.  In that case it’s nothing but a pause between songs, scroll down and hit Shuffle Songs and relish in more good music.  Another 3G issue, well, not much an issue for me since I primarily use it in the car, is the battery.  It’s not all that bad, but with the EQ off, backlight set on 5 or 10 seconds, contrast maxed, Soundcheck off and me skipping songs like I always do it lasted me about four hours during my last trip (California to Michigan with a layover in DFW).  On the plane from DFW to Detroit we were stuck on the tarmac for an hour or so with no air conditioning, I tried to iPod myself to sleep but ran out of power while still on the tarmac, I wasn’t too pleased.  And I was rushed to leave for the airport and forgot my Firewire cable (re: the 5G, I’ve got USB 2.0, so I don’t care about how the sync’ing and charging happen though Firewire still seems faster, with them both being serial connections I’m not sure why that is, maybe protocol overhead) so there went any chance of charging (was in first class, didn’t check for outlets since the cable was a couple thousand miles away, or are there no standard AC outlets and only those funked up roundish ones?) my li’l white buddy.  I ended up attempting to sleep, but to no avail.

Now that’s the 3G, my raving continues briefly with the Shuffle.  Plain and simple, I won it, I didn’t want it for what it could do though at the time I did like the idea of it.  First thing, the audio just seemed flat to me using Shure E3c headphones.  For a flash-based iPod, it seems slower to me than the nano as well, it seemed slightly sluggish even when I first got it.  The 120ish (99 on average for me) song limit is also just too short, but this iPod’s not really aimed at my uses, but hey, it was free, it just remains a surprisingly still charged music player I never use at all, though it holds charge better than anything I seen consumer electronics like this.

Shuffle aside then comes the nano, man, I love this thing.  Yes, I still have the plastic sticker on it, but I bought my nano as soon as my store received them, it was just cool looking and out of warranty lameness encouraged me to buy it more.  So we got them a couple days after the announcement, before the scratching and screen cracking fiasco.  But I know how iPods are, they naturally scratch.  It’s been that way since the beginning, if it improves, that’s nice, if not, it’s not like we’re missing anything.  So I left the plastic on because of that, it may look a little silly with a couple air bubbles and the little tab at the bottom but I don’t mind.  That one lives in an orange iPod sock (yet another one given to me), it hasn’t sustained a single scratch or scuff when inside it, that and the 3G are minimally bulked up in the socks and fit in my pocket where iPods tend to visit when I have them on me (nano whenever I go out, 3G I now carry since it tends to be used in the car).  I haven’t run the nano down too much on battery power, it only gets used for about an hour a day during my lunch break and I charge it when it’s on the low end of red.  Doesn’t seem to last the 14 hours, but I use it as I use my 3G, lame audio options off to preserve quality (NOT battery power) and lotsa skipping forward on tracks.  I’m feeling maybe it’s lasting about 6-7 hours thanks to my skipping tracks.  Does that bother me?  Nope, worst case scenario I get out the 3G and use it if the nano’s out of power.  Wait, what about the 3G battery lawsuit dealie?  I got the literature in the mail, sure, did I deal with it?  No.  Why?  Because the battery power isn’t really an issue and if it needs replacing I’d probably just buy a new iPod since this one’s just old and out of warranty.  I could replace the battery with an aftermarket one, but why bother?  It’s like trying to resurrect any old device, is the less money spent initially on ‘fixing’ worth the repeated spent money later on versus just buying a newer and more current device?

That’s what I was thinking when I finally could afford my G5 tower.  I had been using my trusty B&W G3/450 for five or so years and upgraded it to the gills except the video card.  Which would’ve been a cheap fix so I could move from Panther to Tiger (realistically, with a decent speed interface) and drop the interface lagginess with Panther and the lovely (retch) Rage 128 card it had.  But 1-2 more major OS versions down the road I’d have to do probably more to be able to run said OS (if the machine’s even supported, or patched to be able to), it’d just run into more money.  Only other improvement I can think of would’ve been buying a SATA card as well and changing to all SATA and away from ATA/33 and Ultra2 SCSI.  So I weighed all that versus a dual 2.0 G5 (PCI-X).  Ended up doing a BTO, removing the modem, changing to the 9800 XT video card and adding the Bluetooth module with matching accessories and I’ve been happier ever since.

So after all that blabber, it’s basically this:
My current full-size iPod is healthy but aging and unsupported, it’s worth upgrading to the 5G for me.  Even if I didn’t have a spare nano (has a nice ring to it though) to sell off and put towards the 5G.  Why need a new 5G when my main playlist is <500 songs and takes up only a little more than half my nano’s space?  It may be a durble little iPod, but it’s a tad delicate, very nice and more totable than a full-sizer.  And it’d fly all over the place in the car, Belkin Tune Dock won’t hold it, the suction cup loses grip on the tiny chrome back after a minute or so.  So stick with a full-size for car-use and for holding the whole library.  And the 145 photos I almost never add to or anything, nifty little feature but I don’t use it, doesn’t mean I don’t like it.  Video?  Nifty, I’ll put all my downloaded music videos on it, then I can watch some Jimi, some Rush, some Iron Maiden, a bit of Thin Lizzy and my two King Crimson concert DVDs whenever I like.  Not daily, only a fool would subject themselves to that, that’s how things get old and lame, except music.  Visual mediums aren’t meant to be repeated over and over and over again to the same person for entertainment (subliminal messages not withstanding), they get bored and move on.

My music player will look newer, nicer and do a couple extra things I’ll probably use.  Outputting to TV?  Nah, I listen to TV more than watch it, never missed that feature on my nano.  Pictures to TV?  Bleh, not much of a picture person, nice feature though.  Listen to music at great quality with great headphones?  Count me there, especially if it involves concert halls with Robert Fripp or other similarly talented musicians playing (emphasizing talented, I’ve been oblivious to almost all new artists for the last seven or eight years).

End of my rant, hope it entertained you or maybe gave ya some ideas.


Posted by kcrmson on October 18, 2005 at 4:58 AM (CDT)


Personally I think the “video” name-tag does the iPod more harm than good. From the review and comments, it’s obvious that as a video player. the new iPod does not hit the mark: screen too small, limited battery-life, cannot watch an iPod video on a large screen properly, etc…
By going “video”, it also competes in a field where there are better alternatives (PSP, ZEN, etc…). What it SHOULD have been is a kick-ass music player: it looks fantastic, so that’s good. Should have retained the connector (next to the headphone connection) so people with accessories can continue to use them. Should have retained Firewire. Should have concentrated on the audio part, make it sound as good as technology can make it, with the selling point being: “the BEST sounding mp3 player there is”. Should have had awesome, customisable eq and 3D sound enhancement of some sort. Should have improved its interface to yield less white screen (it’s very empty-looking). With the way it looks (+++), the great new screen, great storage, it would have been the best audio player, bar none: a CLEAR choice. As it is, it’s neither this or that. But, looks good…

Posted by Ant1 on October 18, 2005 at 5:36 AM (CDT)


I’ve always been an admirer of apple computers, to the point of owning stock.  The recent history of Apple, mainly that of the ipod, has its drawbacks.  Specifically, when something of new innovation such as the 5G video ipod seems to have such limitations, you are better off waiting for the next two versions to come out before you jump on board.  It is my belief that Apple is more concerned about putting something out that a great amount of people will buy just because, rather than actually drop more R&D to make sure it is worth buying (battery life and encoding).

Posted by Bhorton1134 on October 18, 2005 at 10:15 AM (CDT)


Thanks alot, ihayden

great stuff!

Posted by Apple_iPod on October 18, 2005 at 12:22 PM (CDT)


Ever since I was a little boy, I’d always dream of having gadets that would play , music, movies, games, all in a hand held device. Reminiscing, the days when I’d run aroun with a block of wood in my hand pretending it had the power to do all that, I entertained myself well. However, now that I’ve grown up a bit,  Being able to see my dream to reality iPod video, has just made my life complete for that certain memory. I can’t wait to see what else there will be in the future. So far Apple has made my dreams into reality with a few simple features. Yeah it may not have a longer lasting battery, yes it may not have the biggest screen, and yes it may not be.. blah blah blah. The fact of the matter is, They’ve done it. It’s awesome. Memories can now be shown on the fly. Moments with people can now be remembered when you’re feeling down. A lot of life can be stored on this device and it just makes me happy to be able to actually hold the real, as to what I had pretended to. The truth is, no device will ever make you truely happy, because technology evolves extremely fast. So, make the best of the moment. get the iPod and enjoy it while it lasts. Because The next best thing is ALWAYS around the corner.

Live life now.

Posted by Senkenbutai on October 19, 2005 at 10:08 PM (CDT)


Does the new video ipod show the user menus on an external TV screen in the same way as on the ipod screen?

Posted by vlad12 on October 19, 2005 at 10:36 PM (CDT)


My wife and I are long time Mac users. We were also owners of the first generation iPod, second generation, and now third. While many of our friends had purchased other MP3 players, we knew Apple would do it right.

Unfortunately, as cool as it was, the 1st generation model was not without its flaws. I had to send mine in for replacement because the scrollwheel started rubbing and scratching up against the buttons surrounding the wheel.

My second generation wouldn’t hold a charge so I was able to use the CompUSA exchange program to get the 3rd generation model. It too has problems, with a flickering display, and low battery life. Thankfully I use it mostly in my Jeep with the charger, so it rarely sees portable use anymore.

While the elements of good design usually have both good form and good functionality. It seems the iPod 5G is a another step backwards.

The lack of FireWire support on any iPod is disturbing of course. Apple’s dominance in the MP3 market could have helped them push their own superior standard, but instead they caved in to costs and perhaps, Intel.

The smaller scrollwheel looks unproportional to the larger screen, throwing off the balance of the great design of some of the previous models.

I agree with becky. One of my biggest gripes, is not the battery life, lack of changable batteries, backwards compatibility with older devices, or poor video playback quality on external sources, but rather the return of the front ‘lucite’ face.

As an owner of the 1st generation model, the rough edges of the iPod were not fun to hold. When Apple decided to round off the corners and make the 3G model something easy and even, a joy to hold, myself and other iPod fans were pleased.

Take an existing 3G iPod. Flip it around in your hand. Rotate it. Run your hand over it. Like a finely crafted automobile or even something as simple as a television remote contro, your hand should feel comfortable holding it. Good industrial design not only looks great, it ‘feels’ right. The flat faced versions do not. Understandably, Apple lost the rounded corners and sides to make room for the screen while keeping the small form factor, however, overall I believe it was a step back.

I used to shrug off the scratch-prone iPod surfaces as well, but am starting to agree, that Apple could, and should have done better. There are many materials out there that could have provided a better finish. Apple could have also included a decent case, even though so many third-party companies are providing options. The black slide case, did nothing but scratch 3G iPods, and the new white sleeve looks like a bus pass holder. For a company with a history of design innovation, I’m really surprised they couldn’t come up with a better case, or more durable finish for their new ‘flagship’ product.

I was looking forward to this new iPod to upgrade from my old 3G, but I think I’ll wait even longer. As great as it is to have video playback, I think the idea overtook the fundamentals that made the iPod a big hit with not just the latest bandwagon jumpers, but all of us, who have been here since the beginning.

Posted by macjeep on October 20, 2005 at 3:11 AM (CDT)


oh and to those that think a touch screen would be great for the new Video Device may be working on, if it scratches as easily as the current iPods, imagine trying to watch a small video through a scratched up screen from all the on-screen use.

I think Apple needs to solidify the material’s durability first.

Posted by macjeep on October 20, 2005 at 3:15 AM (CDT)


I just got my 30GB white iPod yesterday. For all you “video complainers”, the video feature is great. I’m getting a car charger and catching flicks to my heart’s content. Solitaire is so much easier to play, parachute is a bit slow but the helicopters look cool. Brick is rainbow bricks and it looks nice. The video is sweet! I like it. Definately worth the money.


Posted by thevenerablez on October 21, 2005 at 1:48 PM (CDT)


Oh yeah. A note about the old cables. You cannot use the old firewire cable to sync the iPod with the computer, but you can use it to charge it if you have the wall charger transformer.


Posted by thevenerablez on October 21, 2005 at 1:50 PM (CDT)


How many of you actually HAVE a 5g ipod?  I’ve had the 60gb model for 3 days now and it is driving me insane.  I got it mainly to watch movies while on long flights and to get more (all) of my audio on a small form factor. 

I’m using Windows, so that’s a downside, but they got RID OF FIREWIRE (which I DO have on my PC AND laptop—but not laptop, which HAS firewire, but only USB 1.1!) and sure looks like they’re moving towards a more “windows friendly” device.

That is, until you try to get video onto this thing.  In the last day and a half I’ve used every possible encoder I can find (I even dropped $30 for “quicktime pro” to do the “export to ipod” from an mpeg4 I have—I cancelled the run after it took HALF AN HOUR TO GET TO 8% OF THE FILE (only a 400KB file for a 1.5 hour movie, BTW).  Not only that, but this file already meets all the “published standards” that the ipod is supposed to accept (H.264, <32kbs audio rate, <500kbs video rate, 320x240) and plays FINE in itunes AND quicktime—but itunes gives an error message saying it’s incompatible when I try to drag it over to the ipod.  I’m not trying the FOURTH Nero recode to try and find a format this thing will take.  If someone knows what parm’s will make it work on a PC (re)encoder/ripper, PLEASE let me know, I’m going nuts!

Posted by terryaginggeek on October 29, 2005 at 10:58 PM (CDT)


my 5g yesterday, never had a full size pod before and therefore love it!  the first thing i did was rip, convert and load up “the breakfast club” onto it.  it looks great and the quality in both visual and audio is superb….battery life is a bit dissapointing but i’ll survive. used ffmpegx to convert file, but after reading s0ymilks’ thread anf d link will try handbrake to see which is quicker.
sorry terryaginggeek, i’m on a mac, but i think there are pc versions on the programs i mentioned available.

Posted by pekinghunchback on December 14, 2005 at 4:01 PM (CST)


im planning to have a 5g but after reading the pros and cons i decided to wait for the 6g ipod.thanks to all!!

Posted by kelly_pod on March 16, 2006 at 11:37 AM (CST)

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