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Future Pods

Even technophiles have conceded that 2003 was not a banner year for portable gadgets. With the exception of a certain shining white star - one that sold out in stores across the world and established Apple Computer as the dominant player in the digital music industry - there wasn’t much pocket-friendly hardware to slobber over last year.

But the ever-optimistic crew at iLounge has continued to dream about the surprises Apple might have in store for the 2004 holiday season, and we wanted to share some of our thoughts with you. When you’re done reading, it’s your turn. If your creative impulses kick in, please add your comments - positive or negative - to the bottom of this article, and feel free to send us your best concept drawings or renderings for these devices, and we’ll post the best of them here.

iPod Pro | iPod 2 | iPod AV (Video iPod) | iPod mini 2

iPod Pro

Likely Features: Superior audio output, elite exterior casing, same-to-larger size, premium price tag
Likely Price: $399-$599

Though today’s iPods remain ever-so-slightly out of the mainstream user’s grasp at $299 and up, we expect that three trends (continued iPod popularity, co-branding announcements such as HP’s iPod embrace, and the release of the iPod mini) will contribute to an Apple decision to create a third iPod brand, iPod Pro. The original iPod will slowly fall in price to become Apple’s “mainstream” version of Sony’s Walkman, the iPod mini will morph to resemble either Sony’s Sports series Walkmen or a cheapie device with Nokia-style interchangeable faceplates, and iPod Pro will be aimed at DJs and higher-end “prosumer” consumers with extra cash.

The look and feel of an iPod Pro would be an evolution in class over the current iPod line, rather than a devolution, and the physical size would likely remain at least as large as current model iPods, if not return back to their predecessors’ slightly larger size. A higher-capacity battery would be the primary reason for this, although an extra chip or two might be inside the iPod Pro as well - for wireless and/or Bluetooth functionality. We’d rate the latter feature unlikely but possible.

We would imagine that iPod Pro would include a more powerful and sophisticated amplifier, with better equalizer functionality and perhaps 5.0/5.1 surround sound output. Relatively simple additions to the iPod’s playback functionality would include enhanced versions of the DJ-friendly time-scaling (speed up/slow down) and pitch adjustment features that Creative Labs has already included in its recent audio products. Our dream features would be live remixing ability to permit audio sampling, DJ-style record scratching using the scroll-wheel, and cross-fading between songs. (Truth be told, we think a second scroll-wheel for scratching and effects would be seriously cool, but highly unlikely.)

From Apple’s standpoint, and possibly for legal reasons, the biggest question mark would probably be whether to enable the iPod Pro to encode AACs or MP3s in realtime. We think true line-quality recording capabilities - a notable but probably very deliberate omission in the current iPods - would be almost mandatory for professional and prosumer users, and a feature that would nearly justify a higher pricetag. Do you agree? Disagree?

iPod 2

Likely Features: Same to Smaller-Sized Case, Enhanced RAM buffer, Modestly Superior Battery Life Augmented with Removable Battery, Enhanced Accessories
Likely Price: $249-499

Unlike an iPod Pro device aimed at wealthier consumers, the iPod 2 would be the fourth-generation version of the original iPod released in 2001, and like its predecessors, probably would not carry a “sequel” name for brand continuity reasons. Yet we would expect that this device would again change the “iPod’s” look and feel at least incrementally, and break once more from compatibility with the prior-generation iPods’ accessories in order to add increased functionality beyond current peripheral specifications.

While it’s possible that Apple would incorporate the iPod mini’s newly-integrated scroll wheel with buttons into the iPod 2, we’re not yet sure that will happen. We feel significantly more comfortable assuming that the device’s primary innovations will relate to its battery performance, which is today the subject of serious concern - and even lawsuits. The next-generation iPod will most likely switch to a user-replaceable proprietary battery that will be supplied (at a $39-49 price tag) by Apple, though the question of how to smartly integrate this into the chic iPod casing remains open. We suspect that Apple will develop a small, detachable rear panel rather than allow users to slide off or pry open the entire back of the iPod; Creative Labs’ recent implementation of a detachable front panel for battery replacement was a welcome functional addition to its Zen NX and Xtra players, but cheapened the device’s aesthetic in a way Apple wouldn’t tolerate.

The iPod, however, has two battery problems: the duration it can play before requiring recharging, and the number of recharges the battery will take before dying. Problem number two is fatal, but problem number one is also serious. Apple will probably consider doubling the current RAM buffer of the iPod in order to reduce hard disk access, thereby extending the apparent life of the battery. Unfortunately, real-life usage problems including randomized play, fast-forwarding, and higher-than-average bitrate recording would continue to create problems for the iPod’s too-tiny battery capacity, which pales by comparison with Creative Labs’ 12-14 hour Zens - and unlike the iPods, Zens actually meet their promised running times. We would therefore hope for, but not expect, a legitimate increase in the iPod’s actual battery capacity, preferably by filling more of the iPod’s case with a larger battery and reducing the size of its circuit board, or by cutting the power consumption of its components. (Some people might even be willing to see a return to the older case size in exchange for a larger battery.)

Accessories will become an increasingly important part of Apple’s iPod strategy going forward, both from an Apple first-party development standpoint and from a third-party licensing standpoint. Though Apple misstepped with their recently released bud-style In-Ear Headphones, as pressure builds on the company to reduce the price of the iPod hardware, Apple will try to sell additional items to help pad their per-device profits.* We would expect a more sophisticated remote control to be under development, most likely including a small but useful LCD screen with limited menu navigation functionality, and we would not be surprised if Apple was preparing Bluetooth or other wireless support for the iPod 2, along with peripherals to take advantage of such functionality.

While some of us feel that these changes will require revisions to the existing iPod dock connector and 4-pin wired remote jack, others believe that these standards will remain the same in an iPod 2. In any case, we would hope that Apple figures out a way to enable the iPod’s remote control buttons (and on-screen/scrollwheel volume adjustment features) to communicate with the external volume controls on future dock-connected peripherals, a recent iLounge pet peeve following our use of products such as Altec Lansing’s inMotion speakers.

Just to mention it, we do not expect that the next audio iPod will include a color screen, cellular telephone features, or enhanced gaming functionality. But we hope Apple comes up with a better memory buffering technique for the next version of Music Quiz, which is brilliant other than its impact on the battery.

[* = The inclusion of most of these features in any soon-to-be-released iPod will depend significantly on how much price pressure Apple feels on the current iPod, and how well the iPod mini performs in the marketplace.]

iPod AV (Video iPod)

Likely Features: Widescreen Color LCD, Miniature Stereo Speakers, 30+ GB hard drive
Likely Price: $499-699

Years after Sony introduced the Walkman, they experimented with various iterations of the Video Walkman - clumsily large all-in-one portable TVs with 8mm tape decks built in. We’ve come a long way since then, and like Walkmen, tapes are all but a thing of the past, as high-capacity hard disks come closer and closer to becoming the default personal storage devices for audio and video - at least TV - programming.

There’s nothing to say that Apple’s first-generation portable video device will contain a hard drive, but we’re betting that it will. Frankly, even the cleanest-looking Apple-branded portable DVD player wouldn’t yield either the oohs and aahs Apple wants or the profit margins on software it really needs. (But amateur concept artists, start your engines: this could be a cool test of your design skills.)

We presently expect that Apple will sit out 2004 and let Microsoft and its partners spend their holiday budgets trying to convince people to buy third-generation recordable portable video devices. (The first generation, Video Walkmen, never took off because of price, size, and reliability issues; the second generation, fairly recent devices by Archos and RCA, lacked mass-market friendly engineering and functionality that their successors will include.) The first of the Microsoft-powered devices, Creative’s Zen Portable Media Center, captured enough positive attention at CES that Steve Jobs felt it necessary to quickly downplay their importance while impishly hinting that Apple might be working on something similar. Unfortunately, Apple doesn’t yet seem to grasp (or at least admit) that the market for portable video playback extends beyond movies to include television programming and self-made video, content that consumers are allowed to record and create.

Notably, Microsoft’s Portable Media Center devices will lack a feature their predecessors included: although they can store video on their hard drives, they won’t perform live recording of video output from televisions, VCRs, DVRs or other devices. Whereas the Archos and RCA devices are capable of digitizing video directly onto their hard drives without using a computer, Microsoft’s strategy is to only enable playback of video pre-recorded by a Windows PC or Media Center PC in Windows Media format.

Given that the iPods released to date have had a similar limitation regarding audio (ignore the Belkin Voice Recorder), and similar use of a proprietary format (AAC), we suspect that Apple may well make two unfortunate choices with an iPod AV: first, they may well sell the device without built-in video digitizing in order to encourage the purchase of paid, iTunes-style movie and TV content, and second, Quicktime could be the device’s sole format (over DIVX, MPEG or other formats) in order to encourage the purchase of additional Apple software, if not Macintosh computers, to do the recording.

In our opinion, to follow Microsoft’s lead in requiring proprietary video formats and PC-based recording would be to step into a trap Apple cannot afford, regardless of its successes with iTunes. Unlike the audio market, average people legally create and record plenty of their own video content, and a device which merely plays back proprietary-format movies would miss much of the potential appeal of portable video devices. We therefore hope that the iPod AV will support realtime video digitization and non-proprietary video standards. Apple, are you listening?

iPod mini 2

Likely Features: FM Radio, Eventual Switch to Flash Memory, Different Casings, Totable Straps
Likely Price: $149-$249

Last and perhaps least are our predictions for the iPod mini 2, and if you thought we were speculating before, we’re really imagining things now: any “sequel” device may well never exist if the iPod mini dies after release. (As of today, the iPod mini looks to be an unintentionally mismarketed baby sister to the iPod, with a too-high pricetag given its significantly diminished storage capacity and its less sophisticated casing.)

While the widely rumored $50 drop in price (anticipated by Summer if not sooner) may change the iPod mini’s fortunes, we would be surprised if a smaller and only slightly cheaper 4GB iPod was really what Apple wanted when it began the unit’s design. It might have wanted an iPod primarily geared towards female consumers, it might have wanted to appeal to younger users, or it might have wanted an offering for even more mainstream “active lifestyle” users who enjoy music but don’t accumulate 20GB collections. If it was trying to appeal to all three groups at the same time, the iPod mini starts to make sense, but then, how many people fit into all three groups?

What made far more sense was Sony’s approach over 15 years ago with its Sports series of Walkmen. Don’t get us wrong - the iPod mini’s resilient brushed metal is cool, but it still doesn’t look like something active users would feel safe taking to the beach or jungle. (When Apple’s web site markets the iPod mini to people who want a “three-day weekend getaway,” we hope they’re not suggesting it for safe, quiet indoor getaways.). Water-resistant materials, shock-and-drop protection, and integrated FM radio are the sorts of features active users want, just as Sony proved with the Sports line. (We especially loved their long-discontinued but ultra-rugged “Outback” version - try an eBay search.)

On the other hand, we haven’t reviewed the iPod mini yet, and despite the device’s mixed press, younger and female buyers may actually love the current design of the iPod mini, and inspire Apple to try more ideas to appeal to those constituencies. It could follow Nokia’s lead and produce accessories such as plastic replaceable casings and tote straps, or go the higher brow route with Coach leather parts, depending on how it wants to market the next device.

The internal hardware is also open to question. Flash memory continues to drop in price while increasing in capacity, and although 1-2GB of such memory is still too pricey for Apple to include in an inexpensive iPod, we suspect that if the iPod mini series continues, that’s the direction it will go in. Given warranty and repair headaches, Apple would probably love to advertise and sell a device with zero moving parts almost as much as we’d want to buy one.

We would also imagine that Apple might be tempted to try youth-friendly features in an iPod mini 2 - anything from cellular phone capabilities to Game Boy style color screens and games. But Nokia’s recently spectacular and global flop of their all-in-one N-Gage music/gaming/phone platform should serve as a strong warning against such ambitions, and we think that Apple will be far more likely to avoid taking the next iPod mini down this road than pursue it without the necessary phone and gaming experience.

What do you think of these predictions? And what sorts of new iPods, or iPod features, would you like to see? Share your thoughts with us below!

.(JavaScript must be enabled to view this email address) is Senior Editor of iLounge. His recent book, Law School Insider was named “the best book about law school - ever,” and he continues to practice intellectual property law to the beat of the drummers on his iPod’s playlist.

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iPod Pro?  The iPod is pro now.  Time scaling and pitch adjustment would be nice, but I don’t think DJs want to scratch and mix on the subway, and if they do, they’ll get (already have) laptops.  Also, give me one instance where you would be able to take advantage of Dolby 5.1 coming out of an iPod, other than transfering files from place to place, which you can do now.  Line in recording would be great, but they won’t do it.

iPod 2 won’t be called iPod 2, it will be called “iPod, now with longer battery life and another 20 Gigs.” 

No way they make a video iPod in 2004, probably not in ‘05 either, and my gut feeling is never, but it might be the tunafish I ate yesterday.

Ah…  Now the iPod Mini updates I agree with.  When they can make it with 4G of flash for $250 or less, they will.  Adding FM would be sweet, but I doubt you’ll be able to record. 

My prediction, if the iPod Mini and other 1-5 G HD-based players sell well and help bring hardware prices down, we could see a $99 iPod in 18 months.

Posted by Luke in East Amherst, NY, USA on February 5, 2004 at 10:48 AM (CST)


I want an iPod for the home.  Somehow, I want to play everything in my iTunes library (i.e. Protected AAC) through my home stereo without having to have a full-blown desktop computer hooked up to it.  Currently I can use an iPod but no iPod can hold my entire library.  Third-party solutions out there are nice but they don’t play tunes bought from the iTMS.  Apple either needs to come out with a product to let me do this or license these third-party companies to play Protected AAC.

Posted by hondo77 in East Amherst, NY, USA on February 5, 2004 at 11:54 AM (CST)


I already have most of the iPod Pro - but it’s called the iHP-140. Truly this is the Rolls Royce of players.

Posted by iPodPro in East Amherst, NY, USA on February 5, 2004 at 12:19 PM (CST)


To Luke - DJ’s wouldn’t play (exclusively) on the subway; they are increasingly using iPods in clubs.

Posted by Jeremy Horwitz in East Amherst, NY, USA on February 5, 2004 at 12:46 PM (CST)


“DJs” using iPods are just lame - you might as well be DJing at weddings. There is a reason real DJs use vinyl - CDs barely cut it and that’s after a decade of development of CD mixing desks.

Posted by Clubber in East Amherst, NY, USA on February 5, 2004 at 2:18 PM (CST)


umm the ipod mini is not overpriced or anything, if it was then how come it has been on apple’s top seller list for weeks :P

Posted by Jeremy in East Amherst, NY, USA on February 5, 2004 at 2:59 PM (CST)


OK, there’s a lot of talk about market share, comparison with other players etc etc…

But the only thing that’ll convince a sizable portion of the people who don’t already have an iPod is PRICE.

Make at least one version good and cheap. Dirt cheap. Like 100 to 150 max cheap.

Posted by zpok in East Amherst, NY, USA on February 5, 2004 at 6:09 PM (CST)


Would there be a big enough market to justify making an iPod Pro? It doesn’t seem like DJ’s and a handful of others would buy enough Pro’s to make the endeavour profitable for Apple.

Posted by grandmasterfunk in East Amherst, NY, USA on February 5, 2004 at 6:48 PM (CST)


iPod Pro

I want to be able to dump pictures straight from my digicam on there. Picture view + QT Playback but only via a video out. take it around to a friend’ s + plug it straight into the TV. I’m NOT interested in a colour screen, or viewing pictures on it. Just use it as a carrier, you just no longer need a computer to view.

Recording : Yes please, musicians would love this. But rather than a line in (which would be fairly iffy quality on something that small), allow it to record an incoming FW/USB audio stream.
An audio mag tested the 1st iPod as a portable drive with Logic Audio. They got 8 mono/12 stereo tracks live record/playback. With the higher disk densities this has probably risen. You could attach your MOTU/M-Audio interface to it & record your gig directly onto seperate tracks.

I’m not bothered about direct encoding into MP3/AAC. With 40/60G drives AIFF recording would be fine. You can always compress it back home. Doing recording this way would make it too long winded for the casual user to rip stuff, (they’d need to spend $200 on the audio i/f), while helping people who’d really find it useful (songwriters, producers, DJs etc)...

MiniPod pricing

Did a search here in the UK, Creative’s 4G Muvo Player sells for

Posted by steveo in East Amherst, NY, USA on February 5, 2004 at 6:53 PM (CST)


It would be nice to have a 5 gb player with no moving parts.  Although I have yet to skip my iPod, the skipless possibility would be a good feature.  A iPod video would also be a good product, maybe the same size as the 3 G ipods but stretch the screen across the device and have control features on top of the device.  I have the Archos media center and it is nice, I can take my divx movies with me wherever I go.  I still carry my iPod with me more than the Archos because the size of the iPod gives it more functionality.  It seems that everything Archos makes is over sized.  The Archos Jukebox (20 gb) was like carrying a brick, the video player is like carrying a few of my text books.  If Apple wants to sell more iPods then they need to make cheaper units.  I thinks the iPod mini is overpriced for just 4 gb and 8 hours playback on the battery.  Why spend $250 when most stores are offering the 3 G 10 gb iPod for $259?

Posted by NoName in East Amherst, NY, USA on February 5, 2004 at 7:15 PM (CST)


The iPod and an FM radio are two entirely different products, I for one would rather have a smaller unit and more battery life than unnecessary functions. With storage getting bigger and bigger most people will have a huge selection of music without wanting to resort to the commercials and low-quality of radio. If Apple really wanted to push the boundaries they could build a digital radio into it - the circuitry in the iPod already is pretty similar - but I’m thinking of the UK perspective, with standards long set and great urban coverage nationwide. Worldwide, it would be near-impossible to implement.

In terms of a ‘sports’ version, I don’t want bulk or features on my iPod for a small minority of active users. As long as it’s shock-proof and reliable there are plenty of aftermarket solutions for waterproofing, shock absorbtion and so on. How many people own off-roaders and never take them off-road?

Posted by viracochas in East Amherst, NY, USA on February 5, 2004 at 7:40 PM (CST)


Steve Jobs has said that recording video is not a task computers are ideally suited to do because multitasking would degrade the quality of the capture. With this in mind I would like to propose my own vision of a video iPod. This device would consist of two parts:

The first part would contain a colour screen, navigation buttons, DSP for decoding of video, rechargeable battery and an Airport card.

The second part would be a dock that contains a 3.5” hard drive, DSPs for live encoding of video, AV ports and another Airport card.

By un-docking the portable component, users could program the dock to record at specific times and channels. If an internet connection exists in the house, television program guides could be used to make this process more intuitive.

Once the recording is finished, the portable component could be used around the house to receive video from the dock.

Such a system would be targeted specifically at home user because that is where people are most likely to watch television and films. By separating the hard drive and AV connections from the viewing component, the battery can be made to last a long time. Long battery life is vital for any portable viewing, especially for content like sports games and films.

Due to the components needed, such a product would cost as much as an eMac. At this price the product would be ideally suited to those consumers who bought 1st and 2nd generation stand-alone DVD recorders.

It should be noted that the proposed system would be good for standard definition video due to the limitations of current components such as the AirPort cards and hard drives. In time, when AirPort becomes faster and hard drive capacities become bigger, the system could be upgraded to record and play back HDTV signals. This in turn would make it possible to split the product line into a high-end unit and a cheaper, low-end unit, much like the current iPod line.

Posted by Sol in East Amherst, NY, USA on February 5, 2004 at 10:04 PM (CST)


I enjoy the overall idea of the article, certainly a better possibility than the pre-mini rumors that seemed to imply that the whole iPod line would get video capabilities. But…you seem to get a little off base about Quicktime and the video iPod. Quicktime is a multimedia architecture that provides standard OS-level means for applications to play/record/edit audio and video. It supports hundreds of media formats. The standard Quicktime file format is a wrapper that can include many codecs, some are/were exclusive like sorenson, but most are open standards. QT handles other “external” formats as is without the QT wrapper, like in the case of a .MPG file that you seem to like so much. And what is the successor to MPEG and MPEG-2? how about MPEG-4? Since QT 6 Apple as been pushing this ISO adopted open standard to be its main format. Even more so, the MPEG4 wrapper/format is heavilly based on QT’s .MOV format…

MPEG4 is looking to become the standard on 3G cellphones and Apple obvious expertise with its own format and having a tried and tested platform (QT) to play/record/edit MPEG4 content makes it the best provider for tools, but nothing prevents other companies to provide such tools. Quicktime is a given in a future Apple portable video device. And just as the iPod also plays MP3s and AIFF, I dont see Apple crippling the portable Quicktime player to only play MPEG4 files. Even if it did, MPEG4 only is still way better than WMA only. MP4 is owned by a consorsium of companies and is an ISO standard, the format is open and documented. WMA is owned by a sole company,Microsoft, wich is not just any kind of company, they happen to dominate the OS, browser and office apps market in the whole computer industry they try to do the same with their WMPlayer, WMA is a closed format that MS can change at will to break the apps that could play it on other platforms/OSes. Its easy to label both as proprietary, like it meant they were the same. MPEG and MP3 are proprietary too, using that same loose definition. The group that owns those formats dont give a damn about wich OS its media plays, nor does it have any particular interest in protecting or breaking a particular app or media player.

Posted by buzzy beetle in East Amherst, NY, USA on February 6, 2004 at 12:03 AM (CST)


—continued from last post—

As for enabling users to play their own materials on the video iPod, I dont see any context where Apple (or even MS for now) would release a player that only plays DRMed commercial media. Also average people produced homegrown music way before the Digital Video/iMovie craze, with GarageBand even more than ever. You failed to mention iMovie in the iPod AV part, did you forget about this little video editing app? If Apple releases a video iPod it would naturaly integrate with iMovie ,and probably iPhoto too for stills, so you could transfer your own home movies,including tv shows you recorded for free using a video input if you want, or even reencoded movies you got from the web.

Anyhow, just a lengthy way to say how I feel Quicktime/MPEG4 is the logical choice for an Apple portable video player.  I dare you to think otherwise after reading this article: http://www.etaiwannews.com/Business/2004/02/05/1075949225.htm

Posted by buzzy beetle in East Amherst, NY, USA on February 6, 2004 at 12:04 AM (CST)


how about having the album art show on the screen?  Even if it was just a grayscale image, that’d still be cool.

Posted by art in East Amherst, NY, USA on February 6, 2004 at 1:16 AM (CST)


I like the idea of a video iPod but if this video Archos already costs $900 then how much would a classier Apple version cost?

Posted by video Ipod in East Amherst, NY, USA on February 6, 2004 at 11:38 AM (CST)


I’d like for Apple to include XM or Sirius satellite radio reception with on-the-fly encoding.  Might be worth a small monthly access fee.

Posted by robert in East Amherst, NY, USA on February 6, 2004 at 3:46 PM (CST)


why does the iPod need to have all these things added to it. i agree that a scrathing wheel whould be cool. but it whould take away from the dj experience. blue tooth would be sweet along with a mini air port card. xm maybe…the iPod was ment to hold a gig-antic amount of songs. and for some of us its more than enough.“iPod, now with longer battery life and another 20 Gigs.” -luke. its an iPod not a replacement for your computer. if you stare at your iPod screen all day, you need a hug.  its ment to play your favorite tracks, in your ears not your eyes. “Due to the components needed, such a product would cost as much as an eMac”-buzzy beetle. iPod not iBook

Posted by sene_ncb in East Amherst, NY, USA on February 6, 2004 at 4:25 PM (CST)


I never advocated adding video to standard iPod, it would be released as a separate line of product. Also we are talking about the future here, maybe 2005-2006. At one point Quicktime-on-a-chip or MP4-on-a-chip will be cheap because of its use in 3G cellphones. This chip will stream the video right of the hd to the lcd screen and to an tv output. Very cheap and low power small screens are increasingly used in cellphones.It becomes an added bonus. In one year or two, I’m guessing, the price difference to add video to an iPod-like device will be around 100$ Maybe you dont find any use about having a portable video collection that can be viewed on any tv and -previewed- anywhere on its screen (no this thing is not about watching a whole 2 hours movie on its small screen), and it all fits in your pocket, but if its sleek and simple and well integrated with software like the iPod is, it can become a must-have for many.

Also I don’t know why so many people dispite the idea of a color screen on the normal iPod. Again these things are increasingly cheap and low power. The normal music player could have the bonus of displaying still images like art cover and have the interface colored. Once you get a cheap color screen that replaces the b&w screen for about 30$ its all a matter of software wich doesnt really add to the hardware cost. If you dont add video (to the normal color iPod) you dont even have to change the processor.

Posted by buzzy beetle in East Amherst, NY, USA on February 6, 2004 at 8:48 PM (CST)


i was not pointing fingers at ne one i used a quote from you saying it would cost more.  was not ment to be mean. sorry.

an ‘iPod’ for films by it self whould be kool. burn your dvds to it and be able to bring them around with you and have a screen that was like 3x5 whould be great for bus trip and stuff like that even in the back of a car.  iFilm?.  iPod for music iFilm for films.

Posted by sene_ncb in East Amherst, NY, USA on February 7, 2004 at 8:38 AM (CST)

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