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Industry reactions to the 4G iPod

Since the release of the fourth-generation (4G) iPod, we’ve read many reactions and comments from readers. Below, iLounge has collected official reactions on the new product from familiar and new makers of iPod accessories. We want to thank these companies for participating in our roundup, and invite any other company offering iPod accessories to email .(JavaScript must be enabled to view this email address) with answers to the questions you see below.

Dension USA, Inc
Alfred Barabas

What’s your general reaction to the new fourth-generation iPod?
The facelift looks good and well designed. I like the extended battery life
and the thinner design.

What do you think about the new click wheel?
It works well on the mini iPod.

How does this affect your iPod products?
The Dension ice>Link is compatible with the 4th generation iPod. We offer a
dock-cable connection and a cradle for the new iPod.

When can customers expect updated accessories?
It is now available in our on-line store.

Digital Lifestyle Outfitters
Jeff Grady
President and CEO

What’s your general reaction to the new fourth-generation iPod?
It looks fantastic. It is amazing how Apple has improved on what was
already a very elegantly designed product.

What do you think about the new click wheel?
This was a no-brainer. I love the interface on the iPod mini and knew it
was just a matter of time before Big Brother would follow suit.

How does this affect your iPod products?
Of course we will be modifying and improving our line of cases to fit the
new form. Expect to see some design modifications that our customers have
been asking for when we design our new 4G cases. Look for new colors and
added features. Additionally, all of our dock connector products
(TransPodFM, Autocharger, etc.) will work with the 4G iPod. Look to see
some new products from DLO in the coming month that utilize the iPod’s dock

When can customers expect updated accessories?
We pride ourselves on speed to market, so new products should be available
in the coming weeks. Visit our website at
New product availability will be announced there first.

Griffin Technology
Andrew Green
VP Marketing & Design

What’s your general reaction to the new fourth-generation iPod?
A great ‘evolutionary’ update. It shows significant design restraint, which
I think is very effective and very smart.

What do you think about the new click wheel?
Clearly the ‘best of both worlds’. The combination of the first two iPods’
button philosophy is both space saving and elegant. Very Apple.

How does this affect your iPod products?
All of our iPod products, the iTrip, iTalk and PowerPod charger, work
perfectly with the new iPod.

When can customers expect updated accessories?
No updates are required - but some cool ‘new’ products to come.

Eric Roch von Rochsburg

What’s your general reaction to the new fourth-generation iPod?
Looks nice, can’t wait to get one in my hands. Where’s the 60gb

What do you think about the new click wheel?
I like it on the mini, so I’m sure I’ll like it on 4G

How does this affect your iPod products?
We believe the existing LiliPod will still accommodate the new 4G.

When can customers expect updated accessories?
As soon as we can be assured of a good fit, hopefully by the time this publishes.

Kirk McElhearn
Computer book author

What’s your general reaction to the new fourth-generation iPod?
The new iPod is a logical next step in the general evolution of
the iPod. While there are no earth-shattering new features, the added battery
life responds to one of the most common complaints about previous generation

What do you think about the new click wheel?
Love it! It’s one of the best innovations Apple has made to the
iPod. I love it on the iPod mini, and I love it on the maxi as well. One
annoyance with the 3G iPods was that it was too easy to brush your fingers
against the buttons and skip tracks.

How does this affect your iPod products?
No problem here - my forthcoming book, iPod and iTunes Garage, is
scheduled for release in October, and I’ve just got enough time to include
information about the 4G.

MacMice, Inc.
Jack Campbell


What’s your general reaction to the new fourth-generation iPod?
Love it. I’m glad that Apple isn’t sitting on their hands in maintaining their competitive advantage with the iPod, as would be easy for them to do. Even when no hugely noticeable improvements are possible, they still invest in bringing the nice little gains that are possible to market. This is a great incremental product improvement.

What do you think about the new click wheel?
I never liked the four-button approach, as it flew in the face of the otherwise “Keep It Simple” philosophy of the iPod design. I, personally, use an Aluminum iPod mini now, and have fallen in love with the one-point control of the click-wheel.

How does this affect your iPod products?
Since the face footprint hasn’t changed, the new shape works fine with our DeskMac line iPod stands.

When can customers expect updated accessories?
Our products won’t change for this release. We have several all-new iPod products coming for January.

Marware, Inc.
Edward Martin

What’s your general reaction to the new fourth-generation iPod?
The new 4G iPod shows that Apple can take an amazing product and make it even better.  The multifunction click wheel and extended battery life are great additions.

What do you think about the new click wheel?
The click wheel is extremely easy to use.  I find that I can navigate more intuitively with the new design.  

How does this affect your iPod products?
Marware will be releasing new versions of all our current cases as soon as possible.  We will also be rolling out an innovative new line of cases for both the iPod mini and the new 4G iPod.  Of course, iPod loungers will be the first to see them.

When can customers expect updated accessories?
We should have the new versions of the convertible and basic within 1 to 2 weeks.  We will have some of our new cases available shortly after.

Matias Corporation
Edgar Matias

What’s your general reaction to the new fourth-generation iPod?
It’s wonderful. I’m delighted to see the buttons back around the scroll
wheel, rather than on top. I never upgraded from the 2G iPod, because I
didn’t like the buttons on the 3G. They were too easy to press.

What do you think about the new click wheel?
It’s great—it’s at least as good as the interface on the 2G. I hope
they stick with it. Competitors will have a hard time coming up with
something better.

How does this affect your iPod products?
Our current products fit the new iPods, so the effect on us is minimal for

When can customers expect updated accessories?
We plan to change the front face of our iPod Armor case to match the look
of the new 4G iPods. It will probably be 2-3 months before it is
available. In the mean time, our current iPod Armor model fits the new

Pyrim Technologies
Steve Gurley

What’s your general reaction to the new fourth-generation iPod?
Like it.  I think the click wheel is fantastic.

How does this affect your iPod products?
None other than the elimination of the slip case and remote, which could impact the perception of our case’s value.

When can customers expect updated accessories?
They can buy them today.

John Grzeskowiak
Chief Engineer

What’s your general reaction to the new fourth-generation iPod?
They’re fabulous - the click wheel is a definite human interface improvement.

What do you think about the new click wheel?
Provides an improvement to nav’ing and can be operated easier when you cant get eyes on the iPod.
I’m a mountain biker, and the click wheel has been a joy.I can reach back and slam in new tunes while pedaling along the trails.

How does this affect your iPod products?
Grows our Sku count by at least 12, and possibly adds one full-time position!

When can customers expect updated accessories?
New PodSleevz will be ready 4-5 weeks after I’ve got the new ‘pods in my hands.

SendStation Systems
André Klein

What’s your general reaction to the new fourth-generation iPod?
We think it was a good idea on Apple’s part to carry over the 3G iPod’s styling and form factor to the 4G models. While the iPod mini is certainly a way-cool product, the color and shape of the “big” iPod have made it a cultural icon. So both designs have their place.

Considering how jam-packed the iPod is, it’s quite remarkable that Apple managed to reduce the thickness further, shaving off more than a millimeter this time.

What do you think about the new click wheel?
The touch-sensitive buttons were cool, but after using them for a while, many users found they would prefer some real tactile feedback. It makes perfect sense that Apple decided to use the click wheel on the new full-size iPod.

How does this affect your iPod products?
All PocketDock models work well with the new iPods, because we did our very best to make them as small and slim as possible from the outset.

When can customers expect updated accessories?
The PocketDock, PocketDock Combo and PocketDock with Line Out are compatible with all iPods with Dock Connector, including the new 4G models.

SiK, Inc.
AJ Fouladpour

What’s your general reaction to the new fourth-generation iPod?
It’s four orders of magnitude better than the Original iPod.

What do you think about the new click wheel?
Feels good.Looks good.

How does this affect your iPod products?
We have compatible versions of all of our products.

When can customers expect updated accessories?
Late Summer, early Fall.

Speck Products
Tim Hickman

What’s your general reaction to the new fourth-generation iPod?
Love it. Better battery & better interface. They are also a smidge thinner that the 3Gs. 

What do you think about the new click wheel?
Great. I’m sure apple has test the heck out of the different interfaces and this one appears to be the best. 

How does this affect your iPod products?
We’ve already started on new rubberized skins for the 4G iPods. We should have something on the shelves in 7 weeks or less.

Name:  Adina Krausz 
Marketing Director

What’s your general reaction to the new fourth-generation iPod?
the new design looks great. Apparently it has a longer battery life, which would be be beneficial. there’s nothing worse than settling in for a long flight and losing your music half way through.

What do you think about the new click wheel?
Having used both the 3g iPod and the mini, the click wheel is easier to use and will be a welcome change.

How does this affect your iPod products?
Our current iPod cocoon comes with a hard outer shell (the cocoon) and 2 inner skins, one to fit each size of the 3G iPods. In response to the 4th generation, we will add another appropriately sized skin to the product

When can customers expect updated accessories?
We’re aiming to have updated product 4 weeks after the release of the new iPod.

Tim Cave

What’s your general reaction to the new fourth-generation iPod?
We love it!

What do you think about the new click wheel?
We think that it is a natural evolution. The click wheel allows for greater ease of use.

How does this affect your iPod products?
We will need to do some minor modifications

When can customers expect updated accessories?
Best estimate is 3-4 weeks.We will keep our customers updated on our website,

Founder, designer

What’s your general reaction to the new fourth-generation iPod?
Nice, just as expected.

What do you think about the new click wheel?
Obvious this is the way to go.

How does this affect your iPod products?
None, we will have even better products for the 4G.

When can customers expect updated accessories?
Next month.

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Edit by Jeremy Horwitz, March 2005: iPodlounge has deleted a collection of negative and derogatory comments from “audiogeek” on our site, which we discovered have been posted by a writer for competing publications. As he has trolled and posted obnoxious comments in a number of threads, picking fights with our readers and editors, he has been banned from the site, and we strongly oppose his repeated mischaracterizations of various products and our editorial opinions. This comments thread was affected by his posts, and has therefore been modestly edited. If any of the other comments below do not make sense in the context of these deletions, we apologize.

Posted by Coolpepper43 on July 27, 2004 at 9:42 PM (CDT)


Um, hate to be a devil’s advocate, but why would anyone who makes the accessories for Apple say anything negative?  They have a business to run also, right? Just asking.

Posted by Ms_Jewelle on July 27, 2004 at 10:06 PM (CDT)


I had a chance to test out the 4G ipod at best buy today and boy is it a step backwards in style.  The click wheel just feels cheap and flimsy.  The fact that it’s grey doesn’t help either. (grey on white? whose bright idea was that?)

Also, considering that i use my ipod in the car more than anywhere (with the dock), the click wheel is a real pain.  You have to be holding the ipod in your hand to use it adequatly.  Whereas with the 3g, the touch sensitive buttons were perfect.

I won’t be upgrading, that’s for sure.

Posted by dave on July 27, 2004 at 10:15 PM (CDT)


Apple could release an iPod painted brown with yellow polka-dots and these manufacturers would comment that it is great design.

Posted by br- on July 27, 2004 at 10:54 PM (CDT)


i must say i don’t like the new click weel i meen GREY if it were white i would like it a little more but GREY come on.
i’ll keep my 3g thanks
but i must say great improvment on the battery life

Posted by chris ebels on July 27, 2004 at 11:36 PM (CDT)


i agree with Dave. Everyone raves about the click wheel, but I have always liked the touch buttons of the 3G, which offer a simple, intriguing and I might add gunk-free solution.  I can see the mini and the 4g (which i overall like) producing aftermarket for getting hand grime out of the click-wheel crack.  How could that thing NOT collect SOMETHING?

Posted by Brent on July 27, 2004 at 11:42 PM (CDT)


Also, want to bet we will discover the newer and better battery will fit the 3G?

Posted by Brent on July 27, 2004 at 11:44 PM (CDT)


personally, the 3G is the best ipod design there was, BUt, thats me: a technology geek who likes how advanced the controls were. . the more i think about it, the grey wheel isnt necessarily bad. i mean, my dad might look at my 3g and think “what the f*ck am i supposed to do next?” whereas the 4g is very very common-user friendly and i’m sure he could get it. with time, anyone could get a 3g going, but apple is appealing to people who will understand it right out of the box….the apple ipod is moving away from “luxury item” to everyday item….for the better of the company, and worse for me.

Posted by david on July 28, 2004 at 12:39 AM (CDT)


Also, want to bet we will discover the newer and better battery will fit the 3G
the battery is the same.. they made “software’ differences

Posted by unkownsoldier on July 28, 2004 at 12:42 AM (CDT)


Personally, I’m just impressed that these companies are able to get product out the door so soon after the release of th3 4g.

Posted by Cameron on July 28, 2004 at 12:59 AM (CDT)


gowing thru this i thought to myself, noone has said nething bad.. but of course not as the other guy sed they are running a business too.. if the 3g and 4g were exactly the same and just had a different face.. i would choose the 3g undoubtedbly. My only thing is that apple arent releasing some of these features onto the 3rd gen when they know they can! Which is annoying and stupid.. who would stop supporting a product that has been sold 3 million times!

Posted by Stairy on July 28, 2004 at 3:19 AM (CDT)


honestly, i had and still cannot find fault with the 3g design. i still love it and find it easy to use. the click wheel looks good, but now i can probably get hold of a 3g 40 for the same prive as the 20gb 4g. and i would choose the 40gb ova the 4g anyday.

Posted by xboxman on July 28, 2004 at 3:58 AM (CDT)


I’m surprised none of the accessory makers commented on one thing I thought was important about the 4G - that it didn’t change too much.
Apple had a fine line between improving the iPod, but not breaking off support for the hundreds of accessories out there, and I would have thought that these 3rd parties would have been pretty pleased that they haven’t been shafted. Oh well.

Posted by Nathan on July 28, 2004 at 6:39 AM (CDT)


They talk of the 4g upgrade as evolutionary.
And…they really should have used the word Revolutionary.

The clickwheel is stellar…makes navigation far superior to previous iPods and competition. The buffer seems bigger so that song changes are faster. And yeah…the battery life is a huge improvement.

So, when Toshiba makes smaller drives, the maxi iPod will shrink too. If they make a complete cellphone/PDA out of it…the Apple stock will double.

Posted by Pete Saybolt on July 28, 2004 at 9:23 AM (CDT)


I agree with Ms. Jewelle.  I think those companies would be very biased.  Otherwise, an interesting article.

Posted by supercarrot900 on July 28, 2004 at 10:14 AM (CDT)


What about us 2G peeps?  I like the 2G design over the 3G.  Placing all the buttons in a circle makes much more sense than in a straight line.  Its easy to find and use.  Also, now that manufacturers have figured out how to use the touch wheel under plastic, won’t cases be sealed from now on, eliminating the chance for gunk to be stuck under the click wheel?  I’ve had my 2G for over 2 years now, and use a Marware case where the touchwheel is exposed.  I’ve never had any gunk buildup inside the buttons to the point where it affects the use of my iPod.

Posted by senseigmg on July 28, 2004 at 11:15 AM (CDT)


I personally like the 4G better than my 3G mainly because the buttons work at all times.  I used to have problems with the play button on my 3G.  I also personally like the grey click wheel makes it more interesting than just plain white.

Posted by tussery on July 28, 2004 at 12:12 PM (CDT)

18 is going to have 4G cases out in 10 days!

Posted by Coolpepper43 on July 28, 2004 at 1:45 PM (CDT)


Just loaded up my new 4G and there is a huge change nobody has mentioned from the 3G: the equalizer actually works !  The old 3G would clip all my old MP3 files and produce such horrible distortion that I kept it off at all times. Even when encoding thru iTunes I would still get distortion at high volume levels especially with bass booster. Now I have no distortion at max volume, max bass. Yes, purists never use the equalizer, but its uselessness on the 3G was such a turnoff I almost returned the 3G.

I like the click wheel and extended battery life too. All in all one happy ipod upgrader.

Posted by pookycade on July 28, 2004 at 2:32 PM (CDT)


Just love that clickwheel - definitely the way to go and a big improvement over the 3G navigation.

Posted by Larry on July 28, 2004 at 4:52 PM (CDT)


Isn’t the mini ipod and the 4G a bit off a step back ? It seems the buttons on the 3G were not moving parts, subject to wear, dirt, dust, mechanical failure and the ‘new” touch wheel is actualy a step backwards?

Posted by G wizzz on July 28, 2004 at 7:49 PM (CDT)


coolpepper43. The reason the 3g ipod distorts is because you set it in iTunes. it says on the apple website. if you want the settings from the iTunes equilizer to work then you have to set your iPod to flat. if you set it to “rock” in iTunes and you put it in “rock” on the iPod it creates a double “rock” effect which = distortion. the 4g must dectect that and change the equlizer to flat on songs with settings from iTunes.

Posted by dhruvb11 on July 28, 2004 at 10:24 PM (CDT)


Audio Geek. to answer your question “Isn’t the mini ipod and the 4G a bit off a step back”. no They are not a step back. How?
Beccause… the click wheel in my reasoning and logic is the reason for the battery improvements. Why? Because, The click wheel is a circut which is completed by the button being pressed in. Because of this power is not constintly going through it. . in the 3g there is constant power going to touch sensitive panel. This is so when the heat is detected more power completes the circut allow the iPod to respond which = more power use. and the lights in the 3g iPod on the buttons also take more power so battery drain is more

Posted by dhruvb11 on July 28, 2004 at 10:34 PM (CDT)


Hey did anybody notice Jack Campbell’s remark about new products in January?

“When can customers expect updated accessories?
Our products won’t change for this release. We have several all-new iPod products coming for January.”

Could that mean a new iPod in January????

Posted by John Lussier on July 28, 2004 at 10:41 PM (CDT)


I personally like the 3g ipod way better.  The 4g seems like old technology.  The 3g in a way seems futuristic.  I use mine mostly in the car and the touch bottons help because you don’t have to have the ipod in you hand to change a song.  With the 4g you have to use force to change a song, and if you have it sitting on something in your car, you have to pick it up and look at it to change something, you don’t even need to look at the 3g or use any force what so ever to change a thing.  I will not be upgrading!

Posted by Adam on July 29, 2004 at 12:45 AM (CDT)


So the accesories for the 3g will still be produced right.  The 4g accessories will still fit the 3g?  I just dropped my ipod the other day and my itrip broke.  I was kind of cheaply made.  The ipod had taken many falls and has hardly a scratch, but the itrip shattered and the wires on the inside completely severed some how.  I need to buy a new one and hope it will still fit my 3g.

Posted by Adam on July 29, 2004 at 12:49 AM (CDT)


There was this kid at my school who let me use his 3g iPod, and constantly told me not too press *SO* hard on his iPod, til the point where I was barely touching it.  It really ticked me off.  (The iPod)  Anyway, I bought a 4g, and the click wheel, although it would have been cool if Apple had made it so that there is no seam, is really helpful, especially when you are not looking at it.  Oh, by the way, it seemed the 3g iPod was more susceptible to gunk.  The buttons and scroll wheel were slightly recessed, am I correct?  It seemes like those recessions created more seams than the 4g click wheel will ever make. As for iPod skin manufacturers, it means possible covering the whole click wheel with skin (It must be thin enough to respond to human touch for scrolling.  But it would still be really cool.  Lastly, by eliminating the extrannaeuous buttons on top, the iPod can now become more iconic.  i believe this was already said somewhere, but my quote goes out to you, whoever, you are, that the iPod is now just a circle below a square on a rectangle.  *SO* ultracool.

Posted by Joe T. on July 29, 2004 at 1:35 AM (CDT)


Personally, I think the Ipod mini is the best looking Ipod, then 4G comes 2nd.

Initially I have ordered the mini but as soon as the new Ipod came out I changed my order.

I really like the new design and the longer play time.

I wish they include a clear protective case which you could wear it on your arm or on your belt.

Posted by quentin in France on July 29, 2004 at 1:38 AM (CDT)


ugliest thing i have seen, doessnt look godo to me, ill stick with my 3g ipod

Posted by ProdeeK on July 29, 2004 at 2:06 AM (CDT)


...and what you say about the most important ???

the sound quality ?

is better, is the same, is worst ?

Posted by Alby on July 29, 2004 at 4:41 AM (CDT)


I understand that the 3G users feel threatened by the new ipod. And are desperate to convince themselves that their machine is better but WAKE UP!

If you’re honest the 4 buttons above the touch wheel have always looked out of place.

And as for the comments about lessening exclusivity, what did you expect to happen to the world’s greatest gadget?

You’re clinging to your 3Gs like they’re badges of cool from the ipod glory days.

The ipod’s moved on why don’t you?

Posted by 4G Champion in UK on July 29, 2004 at 5:17 AM (CDT)


P.S. Can’t defend the grey wheel though.

Posted by 4G Champion in UK on July 29, 2004 at 5:24 AM (CDT)


haha, I think I agree with 4g Champion… You 3G owners all still have a cool product, there is just a newer version… I got rid of my 3G and bought a 4G because it is simply a superior product… you’ll still look cool walking around with your 3G… don’t worry.

Posted by Topper on July 29, 2004 at 10:35 AM (CDT)


Maybe the wheel is gray so that it doesn’t show the dirt left from your fingers.  Ever think of that?  And unless you haven’t actually seen and used a 4g, I can’t see why you guys think it looks bad or how you can say it’s flimsy.  The 3g looks plain, not elegant.  I think you 3g people are just a bit jealous…  ;)

Posted by Drew-tang on July 29, 2004 at 2:44 PM (CDT)


“The ipod’s moved on why don’t you?”

Dude, why would I sell my perfectly-working 3G iPod for less than what I bought it for, then scrounge up enough money to pay for a hardly-improved (and uglier) iPod that doesn’t even include the accessories that I used to get in the box? Because it’s more “iconic”? It a total waste to scrap a fine iPod and spend more money just because it’s “moved on.” I mean, maybe you can afford to always buy the new iPod, but not everyone can.

Posted by Joshdude on July 29, 2004 at 3:12 PM (CDT)


if it ain’t broke, dont’ try to fix it. i’m sticking with my 3g, why waste more money, when i’m perfectly happy?

Posted by phil on July 29, 2004 at 3:38 PM (CDT)


Your dumb little kids, If you really thouhgt your ipod was better than the other one you wouldnt be fighting about it!!What the hell is the point of talking about which one is better!!

Btw the 4G is better simply because it has better Gigibytes to Price ratio, RETARDS who cares about the click whell when it has 4 extra hours of battery power!!!

You guys are all nerds who argue about nothing of importance!!

Posted by You Guys All suck on July 29, 2004 at 11:53 PM (CDT)


It would be good if Denis also told us:

* the dates the survey was conducted and responses received (so we have a frame of reference when the reply says - in 1-2 weeks)
* which manufacturers were invited to comment (so we know which ones are responsive and which are missing because they weren’t asked.)

Posted by Piquet on July 30, 2004 at 4:09 AM (CDT)


‘You Guys All suck’ you’re completely missing the point.

The whole beauty of ipods is that, in some ways, they compromise substance for the sake of style.

How much debate is there on the technically side of things? Yet there are pages and pages written on the colour of the wheel.

‘Nerds’ argue over PC parts, we’re getting down to whets really important, style.

The 3g vs. 4g fight is X factor vs. functionality. The control ring on the 3g was prob not the most efficient/ergonomic design but it was ‘cool’. The 4g plays more towards practicality which is why many have slated it for losing it’s chic.

And that’s where it lies. The 3g is more style less substance and the 4g leans slightly the other way.

Posted by 4G Champion in UK on July 30, 2004 at 6:36 AM (CDT)


The buttons on the 3g were so sensitive that theyd change songs just by farting.

The 4g design for the clickwheel and better power management to give us longer battery life brings this iPod (and this is my 9th) to near perfection.

Whats next?...considering that Apple is buying the new 60G drives from Toshiba?
Probably smaller…about the only imporvement that could be made on the iPod itself.

However: attachable clips on the earpods would stop them from falling off.

Posted by pete saybolt on July 30, 2004 at 7:48 AM (CDT)


notice how all the people with the outdated ipods are the only ones bashing the clearly improved 4g.

keep tellin’ yourself that guys!

btw, need a recharge?

Posted by Jesse on July 30, 2004 at 11:34 AM (CDT)


Well duh, Jesse. Doesn’t that make sense? That’s the reason we’re staying with the 3G, because we don’t like the 4G. Of course we’re going to bash it. Conversely, the 4G owners are bashing the 3G models because they didn’t like them as much and are happy with their new purchase. I mean, c’mon it’s not rocket science.
And no, thank you, I don’t need a recharge. The 7 hours I get on my 3G has never been too little.

Posted by Joshdude on July 30, 2004 at 4:27 PM (CDT)


I tried the new iPod… and HATE it…

Sure there are some nice new things about it but I really dont like it at all!

I am waiting to see what the “mysterious” new things about the iPod are…

Posted by steve on July 30, 2004 at 6:51 PM (CDT)


I felt too that the 3G was a bit oversensitive at first, but nothing I didn’t accustom myself to very quickly. In terms of style, I never thought the horizontal buttons were out of place… they fit in quite well. How can you say those were more out of place than a grey circle? Either way, some prefer the click wheel over the 3G’s controls, and others, as hard as this is for some 4Gers to believe, prefer the 3G, such as me. I’ve never had a problem using it, and the battery life is no problem. The click wheel produces the physical click which is uncomforting for me for late night usage (when I mostly use it). Maybe the click wheel is a vast improvement in your eyes, but for functionality, I find it about the same, with the slight disadvantage of the nosie. To each his own…

Posted by Joel on July 31, 2004 at 9:27 AM (CDT)


can you turn off ur ipod with the apple wired remote?

-thanx much

Posted by laxman2211 in us on July 31, 2004 at 3:37 PM (CDT)


Personally, I have a mini, and NO, there is NO gunk on my Clickwheel. Wash your hands dude. Or leave the plastic cover on, that’s how a lot of people have it.

Why is everyone bashing the gray? I haven’t seen it up close yet, but the contrast seems much better than the all white. I never thought the all white was very appealing, and when I turned it over, there were prints all over the back in the store.

Everyone is entitled to their opinion, but I didn’t find the ipod visually appealing at all until the mini came out. The contrast works there as well, the white wheel on the different colors.

Posted by Angeluss52 on July 31, 2004 at 9:20 PM (CDT)


Is it just me, or does the iPod have more accessories than any other electronic device known to mankind including cell phones? What’s next, a FireWire salsa maker? iPod espresso dock? Braun iShave multipurpose grooming attachement?

Seriously, click wheel detractors should go take a hike. Face it, the click wheel rules. Now go home and compulsively polish your iPod.

Posted by willum on August 1, 2004 at 12:45 AM (CDT)


Although in its first week I had my reservations about the new 4G iPod, I’m a believer now.  The new click wheel is nice and very responsive, but the original style on the 1G is what Apple really went back to - just a modified version of it was incorporated into the 4G.

This being said, I don’t love any of the other iPod models, including the 3G, any less.  They each have something positive to offer.  But overall, having the controls around the scroll wheel is where they belong.

Posted by bjbear71 in PA on August 1, 2004 at 3:34 AM (CDT)


why isn’t the center button touch sensitive….i thought it was going to be?!!!!! its more old skool than the 3G

Posted by plagiotropism on August 1, 2004 at 4:03 PM (CDT)


i think that an iPod is an iPod.  I mean 4g is geared more towards functionality. 3g looks better but so what.  Think of the people in malasia with no iPods they would be happy for a iPod with enough memory for two songs i mean really

Posted by AmidaamruFlame on August 1, 2004 at 7:14 PM (CDT)


willum, speaking of accessories can u turn ur ipod mini and 4g off and on with the remote?

Posted by laxman2211 in us on August 2, 2004 at 8:20 AM (CDT)


I just returned my 3g ipod for the new 4g 20gb ipod and I am glad that I did. The click wheel is much easier to navigate and the design is simple and clean.

I do agree about the seam on the click wheel, Apple should take care of that better.

The battery is a big improvement.

I do not use the original earphones that come with the iPod. Instead I bought the Sony Fontopia x72 (I forget the exact model number), but it’s the ones that stick into your ear, which eliminates outside noise and people sitting next to you don’t hear what you are playing. It’s great for traveling.

Last, 20gb for $299, well worth it!

Posted by PeaPod on August 2, 2004 at 9:45 AM (CDT)


hey willum, speaking of accessories, can u turn off the 4g and mini with the apple wired remote?


Posted by laxman2211 in us on August 2, 2004 at 11:26 AM (CDT)


i like 4g alot more (which is why i jsut bought it - instead of a 3g) because: 1 - the click wheel provides better balance to the design, 2 - the click wheel has a visually sharper edge, i didnt like the smooth continuous flow of the buttons and the top of the 3g ipod, 3 - cases will look better as you will not have a pathetic amount of leather between the screen and 4 buttons - as it is on the 3g covers.

However, for the 4g, i think apple should have made the back the same grey as the wheel because you would only have 2 textures/colours and the current reflective metal they use on the back gets dirty and scratched!!

Posted by bart on August 3, 2004 at 1:02 AM (CDT)


I haven’t tried the 4G myself yet, but one way Apple could have ‘doubled’ the battery life is by adding more RAM. This would make a huge difference when you play the same songs over and over again, because you don’t use the harddisk.
Anyone confirm this?

Posted by digidivi in Maarssen, Netherlands on August 3, 2004 at 3:36 AM (CDT)


I think new is good. I have a 3G and I bought my 10 year old a mini. I love both. I almost tried to convinced her to swap with me but like someone else said, I use mine mostly in the car and it is easier for me to be able to change just by touching the button. Also, I don’t think the sensitivity of the buttons is a big issue. Yes it is very sensative but I think I resolved that problem with the use of my remote. If I am not using my iTrip then I am using my remote. I lock the ipod and work with my remote. I am sure that the 4G is great but I am not rich so I will stick with my 3G until it is 100% that I have no other choice but to replace it.

Posted by Cheryl on August 3, 2004 at 2:06 PM (CDT)


its teriic.
i love
it its the best in the west
its so much better that g3
i love the white

Posted by ned on August 3, 2004 at 7:12 PM (CDT)


The only thing I don’t like about the new ipod is that the symbols (play, menue…) dont light up. I just found it realy impressinve and just cool looking on the 3G. But o well, I think its still a good design consitering that im upgrading from a G1 (that I still use and have had for about 3 years) and the transition won’t be to different.

Posted by T Monte on August 3, 2004 at 9:55 PM (CDT)


what is it that i hear about the click wheel gettin gunk in it. is it all touch or does it actually move. i have a 3g ipod is the click wheel the same a the 3g ipod wheel but with the buttons underneath it, if it is i dont no how tha fuck you can get gunk in it.

Posted by beavis on August 4, 2004 at 3:01 AM (CDT)


I Don’t know, I have now both the 3G and the 4G and I can say that…

The 3G really feels like a more elegant and expensive product. I really digged the all white design, the backlight behind the buttons, the box it came in, and the touch buttons…we gotta remember that what made the iPod so popular is it’s relative classiness…

I was disapointed to see the box of the 4G, it really contrasts with the rest of Apple’s line in term of design. Anyway, otherwise, I can’t say i’m a big fan of the clickwheel (I hate it) and of the grey wheel, but otherwise it’s superior in term of hardware…

Let’s say the 4G is more the one that I will use without casing and that I won’t care if it gets scratched, and the 3G will remain the one that I will indeed fanatically polish….

Posted by Turbostraw on August 4, 2004 at 4:09 AM (CDT)


I can understand some of you that may have just bought a 3G not too long ago being a little upset at the release of a new generation that put you behind the curve but no one is going to buy your bashing of the 4G as anything other than sour grapes.

The 4G is a step forward, your personal preferences aside. Apple doesn’t make products they consider substandard to previous designs.

I won’t give you my impressions of the 4G, read the proffesional reviews on it and decide but for the record I own one of each with the exception of the mini.

Posted by Robby on August 4, 2004 at 12:43 PM (CDT)


3G Sucks. 4G Rocks. (this is about the looks alone.)

and i don’t own either. but have played with, ofcourse.

Posted by dj on August 6, 2004 at 1:13 PM (CDT)


Got my 4g ipod 3 days ago… and now it’s broken!! The Clickwheel has stopped working… surely they should test these things properly before releasing them to market??

Posted by James W on August 7, 2004 at 11:23 AM (CDT)


Of course the industry is going to react this way, they make products for it, they arent ganna say hey its ugly, and then sell cases for it.

Posted by Ahmed Karam on August 7, 2004 at 11:29 AM (CDT)


I love the click wheel design.  I can operate everthing while riding my bike and having my Ipod in my back jersey pocket.  I don’t have to feel around and find the right buttons. Just N.S.E.W for controls.

Posted by todd5200 in Denver on August 7, 2004 at 6:27 PM (CDT)


As far as the debate on “gunk” in the click wheel goes, there’s an easy test. Go to your friendly neighborhood Apple store and start playing with their display iPod minis. Look closely in the crack around the action button… and then let me know what you see. Last time I checked, they were filled with gunk. Granted, this is on the display models that have thousands of grubby fingers rubbing them each week, but the possibility of gunk buildup is very real. The 3G iPods, not having any little crevaces or crannies, aren’t going to scrape the icky off your fingers and deposit it onto itself.

At first I was a click-wheel supporter… or more an iPod mini supporter. But after my lust for the mini drove me to spend a few fruitless evenings in the store playing with them and wishing I had the money to buy one (yes, there is a such thing as a poor geek), I have to agree that the click wheel reminds me of the 1G scroll wheel - it feels so imprecise and cheap. And this fact has led me to purchase a 3G - AFTER the 4Gs came out, and I’d had time to look at them and think about them, I snapped up one of the last 3G’s as fast as I could while supplies lasted, because I don’t want my sexy, sophisticated, sleek new toy to feel cheaply made and breakable.

That said, I do think that the “click wheel” is just a stepping-stone. The touch buttons are so FREAKING cool that I’m sure Apple isn’t moving permanently back into the world of moving parts. (and yes, I did say back. Adding moving parts certainly doesn’t seem like a step forward to me.) I would be willing to bet that they are currently trying to develop a touch wheel that is like the click wheel; that is, with touch-buttons on the touch wheel. It could be done. It couldn’t be done both well and easily, which is probably why they decided to release the 4G with the click wheel, but there will be a day when the fully integrated touch wheel comes to fruition. And it will be a beautiful day, integrating the stylish aesthetic of the click wheel with the elegant feel of the touch wheel.

Posted by ibizagirl on August 7, 2004 at 7:18 PM (CDT)


Just wondering if the new improved ipod battery would fit the old G3 ,that would be sweet !

Posted by richard on August 7, 2004 at 8:58 PM (CDT)


I upgraded to the 4G 20GB from a 3G 15GB, and I like the changes. First of all, the 3G’s buttons were TOO sensitive, and I often found myself switching tracks without intending to do so, or “double-clicking” when I intended to press a button once.  The 4G gives me a little resistance, and provides a physical acknowledgement that yes, I DID press the button.  The touch-sensitivity is still very effective, but it’s more intuitive and seems to understand the difference between touching and pressing now.

The sound seems better- Especially with the Apple earphones that come with it. The equalizer works well, and the instant shuffle feature is very handy for me.  The 4G pauses when you yank the phones out, which is a nifty feature. The screen seems a bit more bright and clear, too.

It’s a smidge thinner, but the older cases work fine as long as they don’t have button-holes in them. Forget about using your 3G Jam Jacket with a new model!  My iTrip works the same as before. No problems.

So far the click wheel has been a great upgrade choice. I commend Apple for adding it to the full-size iPod line. The 3G’s touch-buttons were nifty, but the click wheel is just less of a pain in the neck. 

And I use my iPod with an iTrip in my car, and I can still switch songs with one hand. I mount my iPod in a leather case with a belt clip on it, and that is clipped onto a cellphone holder on my car’s dashboard. No problems whatsoever.

I just wish someone would come up with an iPod connection for GM/Ford cars and their stereo sytems. Not all of us can afford a BMW. I like the iTrip, but I’d rather use the in-dash stereo buttons to switch around, and I’d prefer a direct connection.

One more thing- My upgrade was no problem money-wise. I sold the 3G on eBay for almost what I paid for it, and then bought my 4G at Best Buy on a sale day when it was 10% off. All in all, I spent $40 for a 4G iPod upgrade.

It’s totally worth it.

Posted by Wilder on August 8, 2004 at 2:10 AM (CDT)


I can’t see why your making a fuss over the grey click wheel. Apple have thought ahead and realised that this area of the ipod is prone to staining through use, and so a grey wheel would hide that. That’s the only reason other than aesthetics why they have chosen grey for the wheel. And to be honest i bet all the people here who are moaning about the grey click wheel all own 3rd generation ipods, and inside wish they had waited to buy the improvement.

Posted by Robin Hood on August 8, 2004 at 4:08 AM (CDT)


The new iPods sleak design makes it look even more attractive and the click wheel makes it easier to use and giving a less chance of making a mistake

Posted by craig wilson on August 9, 2004 at 8:12 AM (CDT)


Why did they universally love the clickwheel? What a bunch of gutless ‘yes’ vendors.

Posted by Mortimer on August 10, 2004 at 3:38 AM (CDT)


I usually tend to embrace new products—especially when it comes to iPods.  I now have a Gen 1, Gen 2, and my much-loved Gen 3, so was really looking forward to getting my paws on the Gen 4.  What a disappointment!  The clickwheel reminds me of those noise-toys we used to click with our thumbs to scare people.  The new face is not an improvement in style, not at all.  The increased battery life is the only plus for me, but not a big enough plus to put up with the click-frog doughnut and all the gunk-magnet spaces between the moving parts.  Will wait patiently for Gen 5—the color screen, FM-tuner, walks-the-dog version.

Posted by soccerboy on August 10, 2004 at 3:36 PM (CDT)


Who cares if the 3G’ers like the 4G or not.  They are stuck in the past.  I was a 2G’er, now a 4G’er.  Get over it.  It works great and feels great.

Man, all these ‘looks bad’ and ‘grey looks terrible’ peeps are whinres.  also, stop being so elitest with your ‘was a luxury’ item garbage.

you people make me want to not own an ipod.

Posted by Ralph on August 10, 2004 at 6:10 PM (CDT)


I have to say, as a 3G owner - I like the click wheel concept adapted from the mini, but the color is all wrong and it’s not a seamless integration like the wheel on the 3G - it does seem flimsy and cheap….I think apple jumped a little ahead of themselves…..shame.

Posted by David Lee on August 11, 2004 at 2:14 AM (CDT)


Ralph: If I was coming from the 2G, I’d think the 4G was a revelation. But the 3G did some things better than the 4G does. Many DO find the 4G has a cheaper feel to it, even compared to the mini.

We make you want to not own an iPod? Ha. Talk’s cheap.

Posted by Mortimer on August 11, 2004 at 3:40 AM (CDT)


Hahahahahahha…Looking at all the “sour-grapes” comments of all the 3G Owners is funny…I have the 2G and never liked the four button 3G…Was sick of hearing all the how wonderful the 3G is comments…Welcome to OBSELETION boys…It’s not all that bad…You’ll find your 3G works just fine still just as my 2G does…However since the got rid of those sucky 4 buttons I might just upgrade now..

Posted by DaveI on August 15, 2004 at 3:04 AM (CDT)


Personally I like the Aluminum powerbook over the Titanium one. It’s lighter, and in my opnion looks much better. Err… wrong forum sorry.

Posted by Stardom on August 15, 2004 at 7:05 PM (CDT)


I prefer 3rd gen ipod than 4 gen. that is definitely, I wont forget on that day when I first saw ipod gen 3 at a PC show. Its love at first sight and I keep wowing away… Its the coolest gadget on Earth. The most beautiful ipod of all. I never never regret after buying it.

Posted by tysoh on August 18, 2004 at 8:40 AM (CDT)


I had a 20G 3G Ipod stolen…

When I looked for a replacement the 4G came out for HK$2400….

I searched hard and eventually found a 3G selling for $2700…and bought it…

That grey wheel is out of place, makes it look like a cheap toy…if it was white it would have been a no brainer for me….let’s hope it’s white in the 5G….

Posted by a on August 18, 2004 at 9:42 PM (CDT)


I just brought an iPod yesterday, i had a choice between a 20gb 3G one and a 20gb 4G one. i chose the 3G because i prefer the nav buttons and i like the way the light up red, they dont on the new 4G. Personally i dont give a toss about the battery life, there is plenty. I am so glad i got the 3G before they run out of stock. I think that apple should make iPods with both of the nav systems because everybody has different prefences.

Posted by Jonathan Cox on August 19, 2004 at 2:52 PM (CDT)


‘you guys all suck’ - the price to gig ratio is bullshit.
apple didn’t tell you that they got rid of all the $120 worth of accessories that had previously been included with the 3G iPods.
you used to get a case, the remote, and a dock
so take a 3G add some battery life and a clickwheel, take away $120 worth of cool stuff, and add a usb cable, and you got a 4G.

Posted by nate on August 20, 2004 at 1:33 PM (CDT)


my friend bought a 20GB 4G cuz he fell in love with my 20GB 3G and now wants to trade me his 4G for my 3G.  i told him id think about it but i really dont like the 4G as much as the 3G either.  it doesnt look as slick and feels kinda cheap.  function wise the click wheel is better in theory but they need to make it feel more solid.. it feels like it will break.. anyways im still undecided about the whole thing but im leaning toward keeping my 3G.

Posted by Randy Duchscher on August 24, 2004 at 2:40 PM (CDT)


Oh wow; “gunk” in the iPods??? See that thing in your hand? Put it down. Now pick up your iPod and put it away for once. Get yourself a girlfriend. Try out those touch-sensitive buttons and clickwheels instead.

Posted by polishing your iPod? on August 24, 2004 at 2:47 PM (CDT)


stop complaining about the click wheel, it works dosen’t it? Grey on white looks great. The ipod will always be a design classic. The click wheel is far superior to any other or old interface on an ipod or not!

Lay Off!

Posted by djleeroy on August 28, 2004 at 3:14 PM (CDT)


really how can you take this article seriously? not to sound to critical, but you can’t ask a group of people about something they all have a vested interest in and expect an honest evaluation…

Posted by me on September 2, 2004 at 6:38 AM (CDT)


I still prefer my 3G… the new one looks and feels cheap and is hard to handle in a car!

The battery life is the only good thing that came out of the latest version!

Posted by JazzyUtopia in Ottawa, Canada on September 7, 2004 at 3:37 PM (CDT)


It does seem to me like the 3G owners are rubbishing the 4G models a bit too much. It’s a common reaction, you buy a new product and the market moves on leaving you behind. It happens with virtually all electronic goods, especially PCs - get used to it!

3G owners: you just have to remember why you wanted it in the first place. The 3G is still a top quality music player, and is still a style icon. You would only feel ‘threatened’ if having the latest model meant more to you than listening to your music. The 4G might be an improvement in some ways, but it doesnt detract from your product so why make out it is any worse.

It is only a matter of opinion anyway, if you prefer the 3G styling over 4G or vice versa,  buy that model!

Posted by helix on September 7, 2004 at 6:34 PM (CDT)



There’s no argument that the iPod (any of ‘em) is the greatest thing since the Walkman.  My first iPod is the 4G 40Gig, and I love it.  The Click Wheel is great, simply put.  It makes one-handed operation easy and fast, and I wouldn’t have it any other way.  I do think that the red glowing touch-buttons on 3G’s were cool, but I’ll stick with my Click Wheel.

Posted by greg on September 28, 2004 at 11:18 AM (CDT)


Just got a 4G and it’s ugly!!!! 

Glad I havent sold my old ones, much prefer all previous models. I’d rather have a s*** battery life than a dark grey circle stuck to a otherwise slick design.

Most of the print ads are a con, talk about bleached out photography to make the grey look almost palatable.

Did evil Bill have a hand in this or has Mr Ives lost his touch?

Posted by Tee on October 5, 2004 at 3:23 PM (CDT)


4g suck and thats final they look so gay

3g forever

Posted by penis on October 6, 2004 at 7:19 PM (CDT)


I prefer the 4g over the 3g.  The 3g buttons were too sensitive.  I don’t know why people would complain about the grey clickwheel because it gives the ipod some color.  I think that’s better than all white.  The battery also lasts longer and the 4g’s are a bit thinner than the 3g.  The white scroll wheel on the ipod seems to get dirty sometimes.  I was looking as sum1’s ipod and it had black smudges on it.  Don’t bash a superior product.  People with 3g ipods are prob. jealous cuz the 3g doesn’t have as good bat. life.

Posted by Havo on October 8, 2004 at 4:49 PM (CDT)


just about to buy one! is it true that the battery wears out at a certain time and cant be replaced

Posted by james on October 29, 2004 at 9:48 PM (CDT)

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