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Will any MP3 player ever catch Apple’s iPod?

The announcement a few weeks ago of the first proper cross-platform iPod (the first ever iPod for both Windows and Mac in one) along with the iTunes music store pushed forward the fact that the iPod is the best selling mp3 player in the world.

Market share is the main problem that Apple has right now across the market, apart from in the MP3 sector where they are dominating. “The competition hasn’t even caught up with our first generation iPod, and we’re introducing our third generation, ” said Steve Jobs, Apple’s CEO. And he is exactly right, companies like Creative are still clambering around to get a piece of the MP3 action, but so far no one has managed to do it with the style that Apple has.

So what is the key to the success of the iPod? Well there are many reasons, the main one being the great slim line look that it has had since its first beginnings which manages to attract people who haven’t even thought about purchasing an MP3 player before. It is easily the best-designed mp3 player around at this moment. And it is currently the smallest and lightest hard-drive based mp3 player in the world, with the old iPod coming in second there. The size of the iPod is even more back/front pocket friendly than the last one measuring in at 4.1 by 2.4 by 0.62 inches and weighing just 5.6 ounces.

Enough about the looks, what about the features? The new iPod can hold up to 7500 songs on the hard-drive (assuming you purchase the 30 Gigabyte model and record in 128Kbps) with the iPod delivering the highest sound quality from input to output. The iPod supports all of the most popular audio formats like WAV, MP3 and VBR MP3 along with being the only current portable player that can play back digital music in the AAC format, which creates CD-quality audio and smaller file sizes than MP3.

Not only is the iPod the best music player in the world, it also has a number of other secondary features that draw the public into buying it. There are notes, contact lists, alarms, clocks, calendars and 3 games inside the iPod that sync with your computer. I can see the next version of the iPod enhancing these features even more as some of the notes are stored in a basic HTML format, which could lead to some interesting stuff coming out from Apple later on. There is also a built in Microphone that allows you to record 6 seconds of speech, although nothing much has been said about this by Apple, it does lead us to believe that in a later firmware update you may well be able to use the iPod as a dictation device.

Another feature is that you can use the iPod to save your files from your Mac/Windows machines and transfer them around, kind of like a ZIP drive. Finally we now have the compatibility part ? the iPod works on both the Mac and Windows ? great news for everyone, nearly every feature is available for the Windows user, apart from iTunes music store, but even that is likely to be available at the end of the year.

So who are the contenders after Apple’s MP3 crown? Well we have Creative, they have been around on the MP3 scene for some time, but so far the Nomad hasn’t made the headway they would have liked and the introduction of the Nomad Jukebox Zen doesn’t look like it will make much difference either. There has been talk that Microsoft is working on an MP3 player for release next year, but so far that is all there is on it, a rumour.

So it does seem like Apple will dominate the MP3 player market for some time, and rightly so. They have released a product that not only looks great, but it works fantastically well too.

The new iPods are available in three models: a 10GB model for $299 (US), a 15GB model for $399 (US) and a 30GB model for $499 (US). They have also just been released in Europe.

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101

Charles,

My dear friend, get a life.  Maybe you should consider getting surgery to remove YOUR hand from your dick.

Thanks to all those that actually privided usefull information to the rest of the world.

Posted by Al on September 7, 2003 at 10:15 PM (PDT)

102

Farce.

Posted by James on September 13, 2003 at 1:36 PM (PDT)

103

One thing I hate about iPods is that they are database-driven (through iTunes). This is fine when you are beginning with audio and know jack about MP3s, but when you want to build up a complete collection its a pain in the a**. iTunes hides too much of the details from me. I am *this close* to trading up to a Neuros or Archos or Karma that will let me mount the device as a simple hard drive on my deskop and move file folders at will.

in general a database-based system
plugs the songs into a database with fields like title, group, genre and so
on. The plus is you can re-arrange the presentation by, for example, genre,
instead of whatever hierarchy you have them arranged on your hard drive. The
minus is that you have to run all your music through some sort of host-based
software. That software is where Apples does such evil as DRM.

A file-based system works just like, say, WinAmp on a PC. It plays files
that contain MP3 sound data. The plus is, of course, that you only need copy
the files to your machine to have them available to play. The minus is, they
present in the file tree hierarchy you’ve specified. Most of the minus is
overcome by playlists, particularly in conjunction with a programs that can build playlists according to genre or other ID3 info.

I prefer the file based architecture. No host PC software is required and the audio player can function on its own. That’s what held up “on the go” playlists on the iPod for so long, this crazy reliance on the “socializing” over-reaching iTunes and the necessity to redock with the Mac to change stuff on the iPod.

Posted by BetterMP3 on September 25, 2003 at 4:26 PM (PDT)

104

This one looks nice: iHP-200.

20GB
Plays Oggs
3D immersive sound
Voice recording
eBook support
FM Tuner

Dimensions: Approx. 60(W) X 19(D) X 105(H)mm
Weight: Approx. 160g

http://www.mobilemag.com/content/100/337/C2092/
http://www.mobilemag.com/content/images/2092_large.jpg

Posted by iRiver on September 30, 2003 at 11:21 AM (PDT)

105

Yeah. I own 10GB iRiver since the first day they were available here.. Key feaures:

standard USB storage class device, no proprietary crap like Apple or Creative - plug in to any computer with USB, works fine with Linux

you can browse the contents of the drive hierarchically, subdirs and all, no database crap like Creative Nomad Zen or iPod (though you can browse through your mp3 files via a database based on ID3 tags, too)

you can use it to transfer files from one computer to another

HQ Li-Pol battery, 16 hours runtime

nice BIG display, nice display on the remote

you can even read text files on your iRiver while listening to music

iRiver’s great customer support - they actually listen to their customers and base their firmware upgrades upon customer suggestions (hence OGG, even when it was very difficult to implement in embedded hardware)

Posted by HappyCamper on September 30, 2003 at 11:27 AM (PDT)

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iPodReducedFeatureset;

Yes the iPOD doesn’t incorporate these features…but who really wants or uses these features anyway. The iPOD is aimed at a general market where people just want to listen to MP3s on-the-move. And the iPOD does this very well, by meeting its purpose in a compact and stylish way. Thats the one thing I like about the iPOD is it isn’t overclutted with features and is easy to use.

Posted by slashjunior on October 3, 2003 at 2:27 AM (PDT)

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Well, yes iRiver is USB enabled… it just fine if you have a 128MB iRiver… or “even” with a 512 kb…
but lets get really honest: iPod rocks in design and features, its easy to use, lightning speed transferring GBs of MP3 file through FireWire its vital for this type of marvel… i mean: its awesome!
believe me, if there were something cooler i wouldnt have an iPod… i simply love it!

just give it a try!
smile

Posted by Oscar! on October 8, 2003 at 10:57 AM (PDT)

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“Thats the one thing I like about the iPOD is it isn’t overclutted with features and is easy to use.”

I would gladly have traded an extra quarter inch width on my G3 iPod for a couple more hours battery life. I traded “up” from a G2 and was very saddened by the lack of improvement. I traded up again, this time to a Lyra video player. It’s basically the same size as my old G2 iPod, gets twice the battery life for audio, and on top of that I have VIDEO.

Don’t dismiss it until you try it! The screen is awesome, clear, and fast, and being able to look at the photos from my Canon straight away is a godsend. The interface is pretty uncluttered, but could use some work.

But then so could the iPod - my wife now has the G3 and being a complete nonuser of Computers has pointed out to me several glaring problems for her in the iPod UI. What I miss on the Lyra is a jogwheel to step back and forward frame by frame through video—now that would be cool!

The feeling I get from the Lyra is like the feeling I got from the G2 back in the day. You know before the iPod when you had all this music, but no way to carry it with you? Except using clunky Walkmans and tapes? And then suddenly it was all there! All the time!

Same deal with the Lyra, except as well as engaging the ears, it engages the eyes. All those photos, movies, video clips, screenshots, you can carry them around, upload, download, transfer. It rules! I don’t need VHS tapes or DVDs any more, it’s all just in my pocket!

Posted by Lyra on October 8, 2003 at 11:08 AM (PDT)

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iRiver is USB 2. Compare:

USB 2   - 480 Mb/s
Firewire - 400 Mb/s

I can synch my iRiver in a couple of seconds. It’s definitely faster than my iPod. And much smaller. Possibly cuter. Definitely better for jogging. And I think the headphone quality is better, or at least the same MP3s at the same bitrates sound better from the iRiver then the iPod. I can’t compare AAC.

Posted by Oscar on October 8, 2003 at 11:12 AM (PDT)

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Yes, I just got a 3G 15 GB ipod.  I’m trying to figure out what I can do with it.  Are there more games I could download somewhere?  And WHY is it that Macs can’t hold charge?  I’m a born and bred mac user, but but my sister’s clam shell ibook ran for about 2 hours and quit.  I’m having problem with my ipod now.  It runs for about 2 hours after being fully charged.  I just want to make the most out of my iPod and I’m not much of a techie. Just some advice on cool things I can do with it and easily explain features to everyone in my town (yes, it’s small, no one knows what they are, no one uses macs, and I am the first with an Ipod.)

Posted by Kat on October 10, 2003 at 12:47 PM (PDT)

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Comparison review of iPod, Zen, iHP
http://gear.ign.com/articles/452/452815p1.html?fromint=1

“The iPod is a funny device. Apple has done an excellent job marketing it, and it is wildly popular, but in a lot of ways it is not such a great player. It does, however, look hella cool, which is enough for many people. The iPod excels in portability and ease of use. All versions are small and light. Of these three players the iPod is the easiest to carry around with you. The menu system is simple and the touch-sensitive scroll wheel makes navigation a snap.

The drawbacks are battery life and sound. It plainly doesn’t sound as good as the Zen NX or iRiver. The battery life gets shorter and shorter with each generation of iPod. Apple’s claim is eight hours, depending on use.

I recommend the iPod to users working with a good size budget and not looking for a long list of features. If you want something that will simply play your songs, and don’t want to hassle through a complex menu system, then the iPod is for you. I also recommend it to anyone looking to pick up techie girls or boys.”

Posted by reviews on October 14, 2003 at 12:46 PM (PDT)

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http://gear.ign.com/articles/452/452815p1.html?fromint=1

“Compared to the iPod or iRiver the Zen NX is a beast. It is a good deal larger and heavier, which makes it harder to tote around. Creative includes a carrying case, but that just makes it bigger.

Two things make the Zen NX a great player. Firstly, the sound quality is second to none. It is loud and clear as a bell. Invest in a decent set of headphones and you’ll be happy as a clam. Secondly, it offers stunning value. The larger capacity model is the same price as the entry iPod and much cheaper than the iRiver.

Creative also packed the Zen with features. It is not as robust as the iRiver, but it is equipped with plenty of sound and playback options.

I recommend the Zen to anyone looking for a good deal. I also recommend it to those of you who place the highest priority on sound quality. It’s not as slick as the iPod or as well-endowed as the iRiver, but I think the sound and cost make it a very practical solution.”

Posted by reviews on October 14, 2003 at 12:47 PM (PDT)

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http://gear.ign.com/articles/452/452815p1.html?fromint=1

“The iRiver iHP-100, which is the company’s first stab at the hard drive market, sits between the iPod and Zen NX in many ways. The sound quality is not quite on par with Creative’s, but is better than Apple’s. It is slightly larger than the iPod, but a good bit smaller than the Zen NX. However, in terms of straight features and abilities it beats the hell out of both.

No player is more versatile than the iHP-100. From the digital optical in and out to the insane menu system, there is nothing you could ask of a portable that isn’t in the iHP-100. This is something iRiver is famous for, and the company didn’t hold back with the iHP-100.

Another big draw is that the iHP-100 shows up as a generic hard drive. You don’t need any software or drivers; you simply drag and drop.

Unfortunately, the very things that make this such an impressive device also make it the most expensive in the shootout. Make no mistake: This is the Starship Enterprise of hard drive portables. However, you pay out the ### for it.

The iHP-100 is my daily player. And if you aren’t on a budget, then I recommend it without reservation. However, the price will turn many people off.”

Posted by reviews on October 14, 2003 at 12:48 PM (PDT)

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http://news.com.com/2100-1041-5097266.html

Dell says that the device, which comes with a capacity of either 15GB or 20GB, can play music continually for up to 16 hours ... Dell seemed to take a swipe at Apple. “Carrying around thousands of songs on one small device is a nifty idea, but not if you have to recharge it every few hours.”

http://www.techtv.com/news/products/story/0,24195,3558236,00.html

Large 2-inch LCD
Champ-like 15 hours of battery life—the longest we’ve seen (Dell rates battery life at 16 hours)
Comfortable scroll barrel
Solid construction designed by Dell and manufactured by Creative

The Dell DJ is also hands-down the best player to look at in a dark room. The back-lit LCD emanates a delicious blue hue while the buttons give off an intense blue glow.

The Dell DJ adds a useful voice recorder to the mix thanks to a tiny microphone sitting at the top-left of the device. You need third-party hardware to use an iPod as a voice recorder.

The Dell DJ, along with the hot Rio Karma, certainly belongs in the top echelon of portable hard-drive MP3 players. The DJ’s greatness starts with the quality of its build. The friendly $300 price for the 20GB version is $100 less than an iPod with the same capacity.

Posted by DellDJ on October 27, 2003 at 5:19 PM (PDT)

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30GB $500, 80GB $700

http://www.dpreview.com/news/0303/03030217smartdiskflashtrax.asp

http://www.smartdisk.com/Products/DigitalMultimedia/FlashTrax.asp

http://store.yahoo.com/smartdiskstore/flashtrax.html

Excellent for photographers!

CompactFlash type I, II CompactFlash, IBM Microdrive slot on-device. No crummy Belkin add-ons required.

AUDIO
Stereo analog line out or earphone jack

Built-in speaker

MP3 and WAV formats. Plays MP3 files encoded up to 320 kbps bit rate; can play VBR encoded files

VIDEO
LCD: 3.5” (diagonal) color TFT LCD with CCFL backlight

TV monitor output: NTSC or PAL, Composite video

JPEG format viewing, with hardware zoom in/out, pan/scroll, rotation support. (Some RAW format as well as GIF and BMP files can also be viewed.)

Video: Motion JPEG picture decoding,
up to 320 x 240 x 30 frames/sec or 640 x 480 x 10 frames/sec

How long does it take to transfer a full 256MB flash card to FlashTrax?
Approximately 3 to 5 minutes. Time can vary depending on the flash card manufacturer.

Posted by FlashTrax on October 29, 2003 at 3:41 PM (PDT)

116

Man, you guys really are losers.

Posted by Chris on November 11, 2003 at 12:23 PM (PDT)

117

I just bought the 40 GB iPod and love it!.  I use iTunes with a PC and have not had any problems with this interface.  Can anyone tell me what good service plans are out there in case something goes wrong with my iPod.  The Apple warranty is nice but only one year long.

Posted by SN on November 11, 2003 at 1:28 PM (PDT)

118

Everyone on this site is a jerkoff

Posted by keelee on November 14, 2003 at 6:02 PM (PDT)

119

Does using the “HOLD” button help conserve the battery??

Posted by Joann on November 15, 2003 at 5:37 PM (PDT)

120

It has a 2.5” full-color screen

It plays audio, video, photo.

It has a jogwheel!

It runs on AAs.

It’s $99!

http://www.hheld.com/hhec/player_01.htm

http://www.i4u.com/article587.html

http://www.gizmodo.com/archives/008545.php

http://www.i4u.com/mp4playerpvr/index.php

Posted by ZVUE on November 18, 2003 at 12:50 PM (PDT)

121

http://www.tomshardware.com/mobile/20031122/zen_nx-02.html

“Our conclusion is that the Creative Labs Zen NX is the best-designed portable player around. Its perfectly acceptable size, gigantic storage capacity, good looks, good ergonomics and, above all, outstanding quality playback make this the best device of its kind on the market.”

Posted by ZenBabyZen on November 24, 2003 at 11:04 AM (PDT)

122

Rio Karma 20 GB Review
http://phataudio.org/modules.php?name=News&file=article&sid=195

http://slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=03/11/25/0157204

Karma Pluses

OGG, FLAC support
Supported by a variety of WMA pay services
Slightly lighter and smaller than the ipod
Supported by All major Oses (OSX, Linux, BSD and Solaris with the lite version of the media manager software)
Ethernet Sync Dock
Jog Dial Interface
$100 Less than the 20GB Ipod

“One little known gem is that this player comes with java-based software that allows users to download the software directly from the player via any browser and sync the Karma with Linux, Mac OS X, and any other OS that Java runs on.”

Posted by RioKarma on November 25, 2003 at 12:05 PM (PDT)

123

http://www.pcmag.com/article2/0,4149,1366004,00.asp

“How did they fit all that in there? That’s the first question you’ll ask after checking out the new co-branded Samsung Napster YP-910GS player/recorder ($399 street). This latest addition to Samsung’s YEPP line of digital-audio devices is roughly the same size as the Apple iPod, but the YP-910GS manages to cram in a lot of extras—features the iPod lacks, such as an FM tuner, an FM transmitter, and a voice recorder.

At 4.2 by 2.8 by 0.8 inches (HWD), the YP-910GS isn’t as sleek as current iPods, which occupy just 4.1 by 2.4 by 0.7 inches, but at 6.0 ounces, it’s lighter by 0.2 ounces.

Like the e.Digital Odyssey 1000, the YP-910GS has an FM tuner. Unlike its competitors though, it also has a built-in wireless transmitter, so you can broadcast to an FM radio without buying a separate device.”

Posted by SamsungNapster on November 26, 2003 at 2:55 PM (PDT)

124

http://www.ipodsdirtysecret.com

Found this today, so cool.

Posted by tom on November 26, 2003 at 3:12 PM (PDT)

125

Since when does the Dell DJ’s battery last 20 hours

Dell is being conservative. As a company Dell is refreshingly averse to hyperbole and exaggeration, unlike Apple. “First 64 bit PC my arse”.

http://reviews.cnet.com/4505-6490_7-30582921-2.html
“The area in which the DJ truly rocks is battery life: an astounding 19.5 hours—significantly more than the 16 hours that Dell claims.”

http://www.digitalmusicsite.com/forums/index.php?s=&act=Tutorials&CODE=03&ID=10
“at 9:37PM the darn thing finally popped up a message that said, “Shutting Down”, followed by a pretty little pixel graphic that says Low Battery. 22 hours and 37 minutes.”

Posted by DellDJ on December 8, 2003 at 9:40 AM (PDT)

126

http://gear.ign.com/articles/458/458401p1.html

The best thing about the controls is not the design, but rather how well they work. No player has shorter lag between commands. For example, you can move among songs as quickly as you can push the button and the music will start immediately - not quickly, not almost immediately, but immediately. The lag between command and operation is negligible. This is simply good memory management. Rio should be applauded on this point. It makes listening and accessing music more enjoyable.

The Karma’s menu system is so intuitive and nice looking that it doesn’t even seem to be as deep as it is.

Play Music:
Artist: Alphabetical listing with letters running down the left side

Album: Alphabetical listing with letters running down the left side

Track: Alphabetical listing with letters running down the left side

Playlist: Alphabetical listing of all lists

Rio DJ:
Entertain Me!: Generates playlist from most frequently played music. Mix can last 15 minutes, 30 minutes, 1, 2, 3, 4, or 8 hours.

Play All: Play everything and automatically sort by album, artist, genre, or year.

Top Tunes: Play the most frequently played tracks. You can choose from the top 10, 20, 30, 40, 50, 100, or 250 songs.

New Music: Play the most recently imported tracks. Choose from music imported in the last 1 day, 3 days, 1 week, 2 weeks, 1 month, 6 months, or 1 year.

Memory Lane: Play tracks that haven’t been played in a while. Choose from music not played in the last 1 day, 3 days, 1 week, 2 weeks, 1 month, 6 months, or 1 year.

Sounds Of…: Play tracks from the 1940’s, 1950’s, 1960’s, 1970’s, 1980’s, 1990’s, or newer than 2000

Forgotten Gems: Play old favorites that haven’t been played in the last 1 day, 3 days, 1 week, 2 weeks, 1 month, 6 months, or 1 year.

D?j? Vu: Play tracks that have been played in the last 1 day, 3 days, 1 week, 2 weeks, 1 month, 6 months, or 1 year.

Random Mix: Generate a random list lasting 15 minutes, 30 minutes, 1, 2, 3, 4, or 8 hours.
Genre: Alphabetical listing with letters running down the left side

Year: Numerical listing of album years

Posted by Karma on December 8, 2003 at 4:51 PM (PDT)

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One of the problems I see with the iPod is that Apple bought this amazing hardware platform from PortalPlayer (dual CPU, 32MB RAM, high-res LCD) but by closing off their API they have really stymied independent development. Linux on the iPod is goig nowhere and the slight firmware updates for the iPods add very little functionality and deliberately ignore older iPods (to boost new model sales).

By contrast, the ancient Archos is an audio player that keeps improving. Remember, the Archos 6GB was the first hard disk-based mp3 player, released almost a full year before the iPod. I consider the Archos Recorder 20GB their best audio handheld, offering SPDIF playback and recording which let me finally replace my trusty minidisc.

Anyway, one of the things that lets Archos improve is the ongoing Rockbox open-source program. Some incredibly clever and devious people have managed to add some amazing functionality to the Archos, including games, PDA functionality, text readers, a plugin architecture, amazing playlists, and increased battery life.

But even I was amazed to read that one cunning Rockbox developer has now created a plugin that enables the ancient Archos to display 60fps grey-scale video. Yes, that’s right… a device originally intended to play mp3 files only can now display album art, screen savers, and video during mp3 playback.

Compared to the iPod’s hardware, the Archos is unbelievably primitive. Yet the Rockbox wizards can make it do incredibly tricks. Where is this innovation in the iPod? All we get from Apple is predictable increases in disk size, followed by predictable hefty price increases. Oh, and reduced battery life. For iPod to prosper, Apple needs to open this platform!

http://slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=03/12/14/0050224

http://rockbox.haxx.se/mail/archive/rockbox-archive-2003-12/0439.shtml

http://rockbox.haxx.se/docs/features.html

Posted by ArchosNowPlaysVideo on December 13, 2003 at 8:15 PM (PDT)

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I came awfully close to getting the 20gb rio karma, then considered getting an ipod, until i found out about the iRiver iHP-120. I chose this because it has the features I really wanted out of an portable mp3 player. First, it’s the same size as an ipod 20gb (a few milimeters bigger, but that’s nothin), and while the joystick/button design for navigation isn’t quite as intuitive (or cool) as the ipod’s, it’s definitely usable, and from what I’ve seen from the Rio, probably alot better. It’s also black, which I prefer to the ipod’s white.

Now, moving on from usability issues and looks, it has some other features that I just couldn’t pass up. First, it has an internal mic that can make voice recordings. Secondly, it also has line in and line out ports, that work as optical OR analog. For recording via the input, you can choose to record via an external mic, line in, or optical in. The external mic is a hell of alot hotter than line in, by the way. For all this recording, you can record to wav (optical does 48khz while the rest do 44), or to mp3 that is encoded on the fly, at bitrates ranging from 40kpbs to 320. This sold it for me, as I am an avid show taper (with a pair of clip on mic’s and a sony DAT), and this will be fun to play with - I plan to do a double recording sometime to do a comparison of quality between the DAT and iHP-120, but I’ve already done a test recording at a show and it didnt sound bad at all. My only gripe would have to be that there doesn’t appear to be a way to control the level of the line-in, but you CAN adjust the level of the external mic, just not while you are recording. Also, it doesnt show levels so you won’t know if it’s redlining until you actually listen to it. I’m hoping they might fix this in a firmware update but I’m not very hopeful, although from what my test showed, it might not even be needed.

Anyways, just wanted to chime in, I too think the karma is rather ugly, and the slightly bigger size of the iHP-120 is not a deterrant at all. I guess the only one would be the price - it’s around $355 or so, a bit more than the karma but with the extra features, I think it’s worth it. It does play OGG’s, by the way, and transferring files is painless with USB as the unit shows up as another hard drive connected to your system - you can easily use it as a portable hard drive if you want. There’s more reviews around the net if you look, for more indepth information.

Posted by IriverVSKarma on December 15, 2003 at 1:56 PM (PDT)

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I like my FrontierLab Nexia. It even *looks* like an iPod!

It’s a plain device with voice and FM tuner and recording. A very nice LCD screen. The big draw is that it takes CF cards including the 1GB microdrives or RAM.

It’s much smaller than the iPod and no moving parts so never skips. Much longer battery life.

With the convenience of the cards you can just slide in a different memory card and away you go with some new stuff. All the convenience of the flash players like iRiver but with expandability.

http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/ASIN/B0000SVSO4/

http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg/detail/-/B0000SVSOO/

http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg/detail/-/B0000SVSP8/

Posted by FrontierLabs on December 15, 2003 at 4:22 PM (PDT)

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There are three new players that make the old iPod look bulky:

Creative Labs Nomad MuVo˛
http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg/detail/-/B0000CG4KB/

Rio Nitrus 1.5 GB
http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg/detail/-/B0000AQIFY/

RCA Lyra 1.5 GB
http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg/detail/-/B00008VFCT/

Now, all these players max out currently at 1.5GB, but weigh in at 1-2 ounces and 12-15 hours battery.

Of course a cynic would say that the iPod currently maxes out at 40GB…

But cast your mind back a couple of years. Creative and Archos had launched 5,10, and 15GB 2.5” hard drive mp3 players. Constrained by their large disks, they were quite bulky. Then Apple launched the iPod using the just-invented 1.8” drive.

At the time many commentators poo-pooh’d the iPods reduced capacacity (5GB) and higher cost (around twice that of its competitors). We all know how that battle ended. Predictable increases in hard drive storage density enabled Apple to bulk up the iPod’s storage capacity and so, too, will relentless magnetic improvements increase the capacity of these 1” drives. Cornice are predicting 4GB this year and 10GB next year.

Don’t be too quick to dismiss the benefits of a smaller form factor. Given that PortPlayer (who, remember, designed the iPod platform in the first place) have released a reference design using the new 1” drives (used in the above mp3 players) I expect there’s at least a good chance of Apple releasing a smaller form factor iPod to compete.

Otherwise within a year or two the iPod will come to be seen as a lumbering, huge dinosaur among sleek mp3 players. You can still buy 2.5” drive-based mp3 players today but, unless you have a pressing need for 80GB+ in your handheld player, few choose to do so.

We are witnessing product evolution in action my friends!

Posted by iPodLookingBulkyTheseDays on December 16, 2003 at 10:11 AM (PDT)

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I’m only fourteen years old and Charles spelling horrifies me! For Gods sake man, take an English class!

Posted by IwantafrigginIPOD!! on December 19, 2003 at 2:12 PM (PDT)

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I just bought a 15gb Ipod online about a week ago.  I have a PC. (no mac yet)  I put the ipod in the dock and installed the cd and in less that 10 minutes i had a couple thousand songs on it.  I cant say ive had a single problem yet.  The only thing I can complain about is the battery life.  Other than that it is the best purchase i’ve ever made

Posted by David Carter on December 20, 2003 at 9:37 PM (PDT)

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Remember the name Toshiba Gigabeat. This can be a potential iPod killer. It is smaller and slimmer with 20GB. Toshiba is using their leverage with the 1.8’’ HDD and their experience in electronics to outshine Apple (who is primarily a computer company). It probably would contain a recording ability and maybe even an FM tuner. The dimensions are around 3.5 X 3.2X .5 (inches that is).

Posted by Jack Shutzman on December 23, 2003 at 6:46 AM (PDT)

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i dont know about u guys but iPod works flawlessly with both windows xp and mac, but i hate using winxp much rather use a UNIX based system!

Posted by EvilGeek04 on December 27, 2003 at 4:05 PM (PDT)

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It is funny how old these comments are, almost a year.  I am not going into a debate if pc’s are better than mac’c.  Even though you pay $5000 for a little cube that sits on your when for the same price you can get a wole lot more with a pc.  I was an iPod skeptic.  I didn’t like apple, if you can’t tell from my tone.  I had a Rio Nitrus then the damn thing fried.  It over heated when I was transfering songs to it.  I regreted getting an iPod because it was apple but I love it.  I have the 15 gb version and think it is the absolute best mp3 player ever.  I have gone through many mp3 players; Archos Juke Box (20 gb), Nomad Juke Boz Zen 3 (40 gb), Rio Nitrus (1.5 gb), Rio 600 (96 mb), and a audiophase mp3/cd player.  I love the AAC audio format, the 128 compression sounds CD quality.  I know that it compresses the audio but it compresses the parts that the human ear can not detect.  So why have a huge file size when you can only hear 1/10 of the notes.  Just carry your CD QUALITY audio in your pocket instead of lugging around four cases that have 20 CD capacity along with a package of batteries and the clunky CD player.  I think it has been enough time to say that the iPod is the smallest (in size not storage) portable mp3 player.  iPod is the best portable mp3 player on the market, period!

Posted by IAmNotHere on February 5, 2004 at 6:21 PM (PDT)

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while I still think the iPod has the most desirable looks, and interface, I no longer believe it is a “best of breed” device, and if it is its grasp on that looks extremely tenuous…  and here’s my reasoning.

The Rio Karma has I feel better specifications - Gapless Output, Vorbis Support, Ethernet cradle (allowing you to use it on macs, linux whatever) and better battery life.  (the downsides are build quality and only 20Gb)

Also I want 60Gb sometime soon!

If Apple can provide these then I’ll gladly buy another iPod…till then, I ‘ll think carefully about what I’m gonna buy next

Posted by Gautam Bhatnagar on February 23, 2004 at 3:31 AM (PDT)

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ipod’s are absolutely imence, nothing can touch them at this day in age, it is sort of set in stone because once you have used one you will always come back when you a new mp3, because you know the quality of the handset and also the customer service from apple, they listen to every word a user has to say and that is why most of the bugs/glitches in all ipods are gone as sillycar rightly said.

ipod is the nokia of mp3 players, because nokia are obviously easier handsets to use and they look great etc. plus who cares about an extra few functions from a lumpy ugly looking Nomad Jukebox Zen. when u can have a sleek stylish looking ipod where your finger just rolls over a scroll wheel. (brings a tear to my eye).

i just cant wait to order my ipod mini! They are going to be so big, but i have to wait till april to order mine, as i live in the uk, anybody know any websites that ship to the uk? besides american goodes.

thanks, mattuk302

Posted by mattuk302 in Peterborough uk on March 6, 2004 at 12:46 AM (PDT)

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I really like the I-Pod, its design is fantastic. But after some research, I have decided to buy an I-River IHP 140. It has a 40 Gb hard disk, an fm tuner, it can play mp3, wma, ogg vorbis and other types of files, the battery lasts almost 16 hours.
For more info, you can check their website at http://www.iriver.com
Before you start commenting: NO, I do not work for I-River…......

Posted by Roberto on April 29, 2004 at 12:28 PM (PDT)

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Waited and waited to buy an iPod ever since Apple introduced it.

Finally forked out some benjamins and got the 40gb 3G iPod.

Before this, I have compared and shopped around for few other MP3 players.
It simply cannot be matched by any other MP3 players.
Design and useability of the iPod is just world class.

Posted by JHuh on May 13, 2004 at 12:50 PM (PDT)

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Arguments about computer companies aside
i’m contemplating buying an ipod, i have access to a pc with windows xp and not a mac and was wondering if anyone could tell me whether its worth getting an ipod as opposed to another mp3 player that might be better suited to a pc? Hearing about all of these problems of compatability with pc is putting me off a bit, especially if i could get a cheaper mp3 player that might be better suited to pc’s. Im no computer expert, i just want a functional mp3 player that im not going to have a bunch of problems with, can anyone educate me?

Posted by Potential Buyer on May 24, 2004 at 2:59 AM (PDT)

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Hi

I have been a long time mac-advocate and am holding out with the last macs at work. Yet I bought a mambo-x 30gig jukebox. Why? from least to most important
a) it has usb & i don’t have firewire
b) it records mp3 directly, and i wanted to record some of my vinyl
c) it has browse by file name in folders. My music is either self recorded (no id3 tags) or from small on line labels (stasisfield, no type, .tiln - check them) often untagged. I have carefully arranged them in folders by style or label, and artist etc, and use audion to play them on my machines or the mambo file window. when i tried itunes (and therefore ipod) i get a huge list of un-hierarchied names which is impossible to follow. if itunes &/or ipod had hierarchical file name browsing/playlists the world would be a brighter place.

The mambo works well, and comes up as a usb-disk on os9 (but for somereason not on osX - any advice would be welcome) which makes transfers easy.

Jeremy

Posted by jeremy keens on July 26, 2004 at 10:29 PM (PDT)

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I’m also pc user and it’s true the ipod is magnificent

Posted by BadBoy17 in greenwich on August 9, 2004 at 9:51 AM (PDT)

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I’m also pc user and it’s true the ipod is magnificent

Posted by BadBoy17 in greenwich on August 9, 2004 at 9:52 AM (PDT)

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I’m also pc user and it’s true the ipod is magnificent

Posted by BadBoy17 in greenwich on August 9, 2004 at 9:52 AM (PDT)

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I’ve had the 3G 20gb ipod for 5 months before converting to the 4G 40gb ipod. ive had no problems with my ipod when it is hooked up to my windows xp. ive heard many problems with the audio issues and other things. i never had any problems with my machine and my ipod together. i have a cyberpower system 2GHz P4 Processor, 370 gb HDD, 512mb 333mHz ram, ATI Radeon 9600XT, Creative Audigy 2 ZS. My computer isnt as fast as many of the people out there today but i still have no problems whatsoever. the only reason all of u other ppl have problems with their pc is because u guys dont kno how to freaking use it rite… eg- shutting it down improperly, not enough ram…etc etc. The only REAL difference between windows XP and the mac os is that windows xp is a lot more user friendly and more popular on account of apple not releasing its OS out to the public. For example u cannot buy the mac OS off the shelf of staples but u can buy the Windows XP off the shelf. Plus, since more of the world uses windows more than mac, hackers and viruses are more likely to want to hack or mess up windows. not many viruses or hackers target mac computers. Here is what i think the advantages/disadvantages between the 3G and the 4G ipod.

3G:
Pro:
-the touch buttons. all u need to is touch the pad and it will respond, unlike the pressing u hafta do in the 4G
-the menu, play, and the buttons light up

Con:
-shorter battery life
-its easier for the ipod to bang around in ur pocket and hit a touch button which will change the track.
-it is bigger than the 4G

4G
-the only thing i dont like about the 4G is that there is no light on the buttons, and only the screen lights up.

Posted by Gump on August 24, 2004 at 10:45 PM (PDT)

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hahaha i have a PC for pharking arround on and a mac for recording and i love macs macs are the best no question

hahaha somone amusing post raspberry

Posted by jarad on August 29, 2004 at 3:30 AM (PDT)

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What im most worried about is the price of an apple… go ahead, call me cheap but the fact of the matter is that ipods can get pricy. You can download mp3s for free along with having an mp3 player for half the price! Yes i do agree with the rest of you on the fact that an iPod may have better quality but the truth is you get what you pay for! And is it really worth it for a windows user to get an ipod anyways? Either way i’ll be looking into buying an iPod anyways but until someone gives me a good reason on why to buy an ipod i rest my case!

Posted by kabbs in USA on April 22, 2005 at 6:38 PM (PDT)

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