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A look at the iPod mini

After grabbing some thick cardboard and cutting out a piece 3.6 X 2.0 it is only then that you truely realise what a mini marvel this is going to be. This will overtake it’s big brother as Apples No1 selling player. I own the 5GB and 20GB model and will be adding this beauty to my collection. Well done Apple!

Am I right in thinking the UK won’t get it until April 2004?

If that’s the case, then I will be calling on some of my American buddies to ship one out to me immediately.

Posted by Mr Underhill on January 16, 2004 at 2:10 PM (CST)

How to import CD tracks to iTunes

not a rich man . how long are you leaving it till you ipod is reconised it does take a few minutes to see it .
mine is recognised first by windows and then it takes maybe 1 or 2 mins for itunes to pick it up try that it depends on your proccessor speed i think!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Posted by mkratty on January 16, 2004 at 2:06 PM (CST)

A look at the iPod mini

Jeezus.  If YOU don’t like it, DON’T buy one.
I have talked to MANY people who are/will.
I am one - my wife didn’t want an iPod until now.
I paid $500 for a 5GB model.
I just paid $225 for a new pink Mini.
I’m happy with every iPod I’ve bought owned.
If you think it’s stupid, STFU and don’t buy one.

Simple, eh?

Posted by sb on January 16, 2004 at 1:14 PM (CST)

How to import CD tracks to iTunes

When I try to listen to a song in itunes, the speakers crackle and the cd struggles to play and before you say it’s the speakers, the speakers sound fine when listening through windows media libary any ideas?

Posted by confused!! on January 16, 2004 at 12:28 PM (CST)

A look at the iPod mini

so ugly…..

Posted by ti on January 16, 2004 at 9:58 AM (CST)

How to create smart playlists in iTunes

Am I missing something? I have alot of musuc loaded on my iPod and have cleaned out the library on my desktop. How can I create s
Smart Playlists with the music on my iPod. Do you have to do this before you transfer the music to the iPod or can you upload the Smart Playlist to the iPod to organize what is already on the iPod. I tried drag and drop and could not get it to work.

Posted by pollyg in San Diego on January 16, 2004 at 7:32 AM (CST)

A look at the iPod mini

However, upon reflection of the product and the company in general, Apple has the ability and an obligation infact, to price the ipod mini at the price it is at, as these products have a powerful brand image, and the pricing strategy maintains this.

But that doesn’t mean I have to buy one either…^_^

Chococat

Posted by Chococat on January 16, 2004 at 6:10 AM (CST)

A look at the iPod mini

“After all, many have been paying $200 for a 256MB player”

This may be true but was a better product out on the market at the same time?

Chococat

Posted by Chococat on January 16, 2004 at 5:51 AM (CST)

A look at the iPod mini

“...and ever so slightly smaller.” - Chococat

Once you see one in person, you’ll realize how significantly smaller it actually is. The difference is striking. My iPod seems huge in comparison now.

As Jobs said, they’re going after a completely different group of buyers now. Your comparison of capacity to cost just doesn’t matter to those people. After all, many have been paying $200 for a 256MB player.

Nobody is saying the iPod mini is for everyone. Based on the staggering rate of orders, though, it’s apparently right for quite a few people out there.

Posted by Atomic Bomb in Mid-Atlantic on January 16, 2004 at 5:39 AM (CST)

A look at the iPod mini

ack…sorry

Posted by Chococat on January 16, 2004 at 5:24 AM (CST)

A look at the iPod mini

I fail to see the logic behind most of these posts…

Apple are making a huge marketing mistake.

The success of the iPod was unparalleled and the resons are clearly justified, it’s easy to use, can contain most individuals entire music collection and contains various other features…at a price from $299 and oh my god free engraving…

However, although pricy it did prove popular and a large percentage of the target market is now the owner of one.

The new ipod mini is incredibly similar minus the fact that it only hold 1,000 songs compared to 3,700 of the smallest model from the ipod range and it comes in another colour and has a different control wheel…oh and ever so slightly smaller.

One has to question who Apple are marketing this product to, in my opinion it would be exactly the same target group as the ipod, perhaps including a new target group of people with more money than sense?

Do Apple not realise that the original targeted group are highly unlikely to purchase a second mp3 player, which when one does maths correctly (ahem) works out that purchasing the new iPod mini is paying $62.25 for each GB whereas an individual who purchased the 15 GB (smallest) iPod only paid $19.33 (approx) per GB.

Personally I find this rather insulting of Apple to think that they could fool people like this into purchasing an obvious but standard rip-off.

Chococat

Posted by Chococat on January 16, 2004 at 5:24 AM (CST)

A look at the iPod mini

I fail to see the logic behind most of these posts…

Apple are making a huge marketing mistake.

The success of the iPod was unparalleled and the resons are clearly justified, it’s easy to use, can contain most individuals entire music collection and contains various other features…at a price from $299 and oh my god free engraving…

However, although pricy it did prove popular and a large percentage of the target market is now the owner of one.

The new ipod mini is incredibly similar minus the fact that it only hold 1,000 songs compared to 3,700 of the smallest model from the ipod range and it comes in another colour and has a different control wheel…oh and ever so slightly smaller.

One has to question who Apple are marketing this product to, in my opinion it would be exactly the same target group as the ipod, perhaps including a new target group of people with more money than sense?

Do Apple not realise that the original targeted group are highly unlikely to purchase a second mp3 player, which when one does maths correctly (ahem) works out that purchasing the new iPod mini is paying $62.25 for each GB whereas an individual who purchased the 15 GB (smallest) iPod only paid $19.33 (approx) per GB.

Personally I find this rather insulting of Apple to think that they could fool people like this into purchasing an obvious but standard rip-off.

Chococat

Posted by Chococat on January 16, 2004 at 5:22 AM (CST)

A look at the iPod mini

I have an original 5GB iPod and although I’m a professional musician, I still have over 1GB free on it!  I use it all the time for practice purposes, memorization, a quick demo of my own recordings if necessary, and to listen to random stuff for enjoyment.  With its backlight and readable screen, it’s also really nice for driving directions at night.  This new iPod mini is so much smaller than my original iPod that I’m tempted to replace my old standby.  Of course, I might hold off on that because when my wife saw that they came in pink and that she could have her name engraved on it for free, it appeared as if my $250 was going somewhere else.  Suffice it to say that these will be hot sellers, especially since most people really don’t have a need or desire to take more than 1,000 tracks around town with them!

Matthew

Posted by SuperMatt on January 16, 2004 at 1:35 AM (CST)

How to import CD tracks to iTunes

Dweeb dude, I am in the exact same situation, the wife gave me the 20G iPod for Christmas too, had to spring for an upgrade to XP and a firewire card and yes my aggravations are bumming her out too.

To add to this is Windows now ‘sees’ the Ipod but the itunes does not.

In light of your post I think it is part of larger conspiracy to get people to upgrade their HW.

Patience hang in there.

Sorry that I could do little but commiserate with you.

Posted by Not a rich man on January 16, 2004 at 1:24 AM (CST)

A look at the iPod mini

Why don’t you two just get it over with and start making out with one another.

Posted by Me on January 15, 2004 at 10:59 PM (CST)

How to create smart playlists in iTunes

Checka12—

iTunes does not have to use AAC at all… You can change the import format to MP3 if you so desire.  Look in Preferences—> Importing.

Posted by Jerrod H. in TX on January 15, 2004 at 8:15 PM (CST)

How to create smart playlists in iTunes

Can you create a smart playlist on a manually updated iPod?

Posted by Steve on January 15, 2004 at 8:00 PM (CST)

How to create smart playlists in iTunes

On reading my own link!!! i found this suggestion for getting media Centre and iTunes to coexist. Maybe the same approach would work for iTunes and MMJB?


1) When installing iTunes, disable the options to “move files to iTunes folder” and “allow iTunes to organize your music” - otherwise, the files get moved/renamed and MC9 can’t find them

2) Plug in the iPod and start iTunes, then find the iPod properties button in the lower right hand corner, and set it to “manual update”, switch off the option to start iTunes when the iPod is plugged in, and enable the Firewire disk mode.

I currently have both MC9 and iTunes running. MC9 is currently syncing to the iPod. I have the iPod selected in the iTunes view and it is actually updating the free space on the iPod as MC9 fills it up!

Playlists that were put on the iPod by MC9 show up in iTunes, and I can play tunes on the iPod through iTunes.

http://www.ipodlounge.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=11634

 

Posted by smarter on January 15, 2004 at 6:30 PM (CST)

How to create smart playlists in iTunes

Media Centre has smart playlists, and can co-exist with MMJB on Windoze. The interface is not as pretty as the one for iTunes, but it is more flexible, allowed boolean operators and (sub)selection from static playlists also.

They advertise here, they even have a forum:


http://www.ipodlounge.com/forums/forumdisplay.php?s=&forumid=20

Posted by smarter on January 15, 2004 at 6:14 PM (CST)

How to create smart playlists in iTunes

This “smart playlist” is a fantastic feature, but I use MMJB for other reasons.  Downside is having dumb playlists on MMJB.  I would love to be able to use “Itunes-smart playlist”, but I believe having Itunes AND MMJB on my WinXP will not allow my computer to recognize my connected IPOD. I tried this before and unless I was doing something wrong it messed up everything.  I was frustrated with Itunes anyways because of AAC, so I removed Itunes.  Any suggestions on using both music mgmt software-  (would love to use smart playlist)???

Posted by Checka12 on January 15, 2004 at 5:48 PM (CST)

A look at the iPod mini

GearHead: As my last post clearly stated, “the people who are buying the iPod mini clearly don’t care about the capacity.” Since you do care about capacity and you place more value on that than form factor (as I also alluded to), then I do understand your perspective. Whether or not I care is another thing altogether.

But, Rick, if you’re so open and gracious - as your last post seems to imply - then why address my original post with a defensive remark about the 15GB iPod when I never referenced that at all.

Oh, and I actually agree with you on this one. If I were to buy an iPod today, there’s no doubt I’d buy the 15GB. But that’s just me.

Posted by Atomic Bomb in Mid-Atlantic on January 15, 2004 at 4:11 PM (CST)

A look at the iPod mini

You apparently think I’m arguing against the mini.  <sigh> Whatever.

You know what, Atomic, in my attempt to help you understand the perspective of the “idiots (without a clue)”, I must have not have gotten my point through, or you didn’t read my post.  Judging by your comparison between a Dell Dimension and an iPod, you’ve got hyperbole down to a science, but maybe not comprehension.

You don’t have to explain to me the positive attributes of the iPod mini.  It’s pretty clear that the mini is a great player, just aimed at a market segment that makes purchases on a different basis than I do.  But before you get your panties too far into a bunch, realize that I’m just trying to help you understand some logic that you apparently don’t get. 

Here is the concept really simply:  We’re not talking about two products that worlds apart in size, or price.  Just capacity.  For me, the insignificant size and appearance differences weren’t enough to justify buying one.  That doesn’t mean they don’t matter at all, just not enough for me.

You’re right, Apple clearly has plenty of customers that care more about size and form, and don’t put a premium on capacity.  Well bully for them.  Now they’ve got the player they’ve been looking for, and I completely understand why.  I’m curious if you understand anything beyond your own perspective.

Scratch that, curiosity gone.

Posted by GearHead in Seattle on January 15, 2004 at 3:55 PM (CST)

A look at the iPod mini

GearHead: Then, as has been said by many on this subject, don’t buy the mini. Problem solved.

Clearly you don’t place a value on form factor. No problem. Then why stop with a 15GB iPod? If form factor isn’t a concern, then spend an extra $150 and you can get a 120GB music player - a Dell Dimension desktop. Sure, it’s a slightly larger unit, but you get so much more capacity.

The people who are buying the iPod mini clearly don’t care about the capacity. They don’t need to listen to 13 days of uninterrupted music (or whatever 15GB translates into). For them, the iPod mini fits more than enough music, and what matters is the fact that it weighs less than the iPod, is the size of a business card, has a really cool look (subjective), and - get this - is $50 less! They get everything they want and need, and they get it for less money.

If value for capacity was such an issue, then why was the best selling iPod the 10GB (predecessor to the current 15GB)? I mean, for just $100 more you could get twice the capacity (plus a bunch of accessories)! Or for just $100 more than that you could get 40GB. Clearly the best value in terms of storage was the least-selling 40GB model. That kind of goes against your logic, eh?

No matter, the iPod mini is already outpacing the iPod in orders. So I guess you and the lot of people like you aren’t the only customers Apple has.

Posted by Atomic Bomb in Mid-Atlantic on January 15, 2004 at 3:33 PM (CST)

A look at the iPod mini

Atomic, a lot of people, myself included, fail to see the value of the Mini when compared to the 15GB iPod.  That doesn’t mean that the Minis don’t have value nor does it mean that they’re overpriced.  It means that it’s hard to justify paying $250 for a 4GB player, when for just $50 more you can have 15GB (more than 3X the capacity) in a slightly larger unit.
Many people like me couldn’t justify buying one when considering the 15GB.

Posted by GearHead in Seattle on January 15, 2004 at 3:15 PM (CST)

A look at the iPod mini

That’s pretty funny. Of course, the best use for the Nomad would have been to leave it in pieces. Ouch.

No seriously, he forgot to include the cost of the 1GB microdrive in his final analysis. It does make me laugh to see all the complainers out there bitching about the price of the iPod mini when the hard drive purchased alone is $150 more than the device. Amazing. When will these idiots ever get a clue?

Posted by Atomic Bomb in Mid-Atlantic on January 15, 2004 at 3:06 PM (CST)

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