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A look at the iPod mini

hey all, sorry for all the questions but, i was just wondering if there is any reason y an american ipod mini wont work in the UK except for the charger? Will i have to use an adapter or what? And, does any1 know a good website where they do cheap shipping to the UK?*gasp* Final one, does any1 know exactly when they will be available in the UK and how much they will be?

Posted by dom on February 22, 2004 at 9:42 AM (PDT)

How the iPod Ended the OS Wars

I agree.

On a yearly basis, i will be looking to sell my mac and buy a more recent one, it’s a hobby, i enjoy it. I’m regularly on the apple website because i’m proud to be an apple owner.

I was just dissappointed when my 1000 pc was worth 250 3 years later. No more of that now i’m with apple!

Posted by JIMMY on February 22, 2004 at 9:11 AM (PDT)

How the iPod Ended the OS Wars

“If you look on ebay at the prices for 3 year old imacs, they do actually hold their value well”

You are not thinking this through.

When you are Dell build a PC you are assembling it from potentially millions of suppliers. This pricing pressure keeps the total system unit cost low.

In “3 years” or so, your collection of parts is then competing against the latest and greatest the market has to offer, both in terms of price and quality and technologies.

PCs advance at a steady, fast rate. Therefore your system depreciates quickly.

OTOH, when you buy a Mac you are not competing with anyone except Apple. They assemble a standardized suite of components and basically fix a model for a long period of time.

Macs do not steadily evolve, like PCS, and so depreciate. Instead, they tend to depreciate steps.

Every few years Apple refreshes the entire Mac line (think G4->G5, or OS9->OSX) and that advances the Mac state of the art.

It is these Apple-driven stages that cause price depreciation on a Mac. That is why a 3-year old Mac intosh sometimes holds its value well—if it is still comparable to current models—or is sometimes worth nothing.

Have you priced any early, non OSX-capable PowerMacs on eBay? They sell for next-to-nothing.

As a Mac owner since 1988 I can tell you that the secret to staying current in Macs at lowest possible cost is knowning exactly when to sell and when to buy a new Mac with the proceeds. You wait until about two-thirds through a current product cycle, just as new prices have dropped but older resale prices have not yet dropped for your previous generation.

PCs don’t suffer from this - they are always depreciating at a steady, constant rate, because of the commodification of their components and their individual rates of technological advance or obsolescence.

Posted by market realities on February 22, 2004 at 8:51 AM (PDT)

How the iPod Ended the OS Wars

What’s all this talk of a possible OS X port to x86? It’s already done. A while ago, Apple had a feature-complete version of Jaguar running on Intel boxes. I figure they have Panther by now (unless they were hedging their bets on what to do about the G5). Sure, there are the issues of random configurations (PCI cards, drives, etc) but the core OS was/is there.

http://www.eweek.com/article2/0,4149,1501062,00.asp

Posted by joel on February 21, 2004 at 11:29 PM (PDT)

How the iPod Ended the OS Wars

Haha

It’s hillarious to see how worked up people get over their computer platforms. Such insecurities.

These companies are taking their 100s of millions and laughing their way to the bank while your simmer in your self-righteous loyalties.

Posted by Michael on February 21, 2004 at 8:56 PM (PDT)

How the iPod Ended the OS Wars

Get the price issue right!!

Once I saw an add for a $500 Dell. But after I went to their site and added in what you would get with an iMac 17” it ended up only being about $200 cheaper. It isn’t just firewire either! It’s all of the apps the Superdrive. And if you andd in set up time you get about even. There’s a lot of design technology that goes into designing an all in one like the iMac. Also and GHZ argument just show the lack of knowledge of the poster. Macs aren’t over-priced luxury Cars, if anything they’re correclty priced ones.

Bottom line - Buy what you want and don’t belittle those that make a different choice Mac, PC or Linux!

Posted by Bill on February 21, 2004 at 3:48 PM (PDT)

Future Pods

I just got the mini and already love it more than the 40 gig iPod I had. I would definitely like an FM receiver in it to use at the gym to watch and hear TV programs wirelessly sent while exercising.

Posted by iPod mini lover on February 21, 2004 at 10:21 AM (PDT)

How the iPod Ended the OS Wars

Actually, Linux in Lindows and Lycoris has made Linux a desktop system.  Its actually pretty cool. And if your building your own PC, $50 for the OS is cheap and is a breeze to operate (for a newbie).  WalMart is selling complete Linux PC’s for under $250 (can you imagine).  I would agree that Windows will eventually be maimed by the economies generated by these deals. (don’t think it can’t happen, all giants fall).  I mean for $250 I get a bundle of funtionality and the internet.  Thats cheaper than just buying just the XP OS!!!!

But, even as I stare at my dead eMachine and contemplate Lindowing it, I am typing and iTuning on my G4 and would consider nothing less than my Mac.  Looks like it will just have to remain a glorified paper weight.

Being that Apple’s core is similiar to Linux, I wonder if they would port iTunes over to run on these linux boxes being sold at Wal-Mart?

Posted by Ron in Pittsburgh on February 21, 2004 at 10:13 AM (PDT)

How the iPod Ended the OS Wars

Did anyone watch these videos? They are great!

http://www.wiredvideo.com/clips/av3/applegamer.wmv

http://www.w2knews.com/rd/rd.cfm?id=030721FA-Mac&mid=7475726889937028

Posted by videos on February 21, 2004 at 8:27 AM (PDT)

How the iPod Ended the OS Wars

lies,
You need to review your history on GUI development. Jef Raskin had this idea independently of Xerox but it took a visit to Xerox to convince Jobs that this was the wave of the future. Raskin and others added many features to the GUI that made it realizable (like drop down menus, QuickDraw, and overlapping windows). What Xerox did was great but don’t leave out Jef.

Posted by David on February 21, 2004 at 7:38 AM (PDT)

How the iPod Ended the OS Wars

...... continued….....

I was a pc gamer, and yes, there are not many games out for the pc, (i like the video’s above - look at the links from ‘Mac adverts’) but at least halo is out for mac and pc, so i’m not too bothered. besides, there is a point in your life when you realise pc gaming is extremely sad, especially with gay headsets and mics! (all you counter strike geeks should be ashamed! wink

I understand all the views from pc owners as I too was formely one, but it doesn’t take long on a mac, say 30 mins, before the GUI starts playing on your mind, and then you sit back down at your pc, and you feel inferior (deservedly so..)

The point is, I don’t regret switching for one second, I have virtual pc running on my mac (see [url=http://www.microsoft.com/mac]http://www.microsoft.com/mac),[/url] as cool as this is, i only have to say ‘i can!’ msn messenger is on my mac, microsoft office, but you can’t beat safari for surfing the web and iapps are so intuitive.

(Although i do enjoy using windows media player just to remind me why i switched! it’s laughable!)

There is nothing more to it, mac is fashionable! And to think I used to have an 8 buttoned mouse! Why, when 1 button is so much cooler (especially when it’s a pebble like bluetooth one!).

I like the fact that die hard pc users aren’t going to switch, because that would bring the coolness to the masses. Some people are born to be geeks. No offence, you wouldn’t understand.

If you have a friend who has an imac, powerbook or G5, have a play, and then if you feel it inside, you will know that you are ‘allowed’ to own a mac.

gaming? - that’s what my xbox is for..(yeah, i know it’s microsoft)

oh plus, when i first switched, I thought the cost for OS software would be similar to MS OS.. As far as i can remember, Panther is about half the price of Windows, but yet is so much nicer to use. No horribe colour schemes. oh and no serial numbers, as mac seems to trust their users.

Sorry to ramble on. feel free to email me.

Jim

Posted by JIMMY on February 21, 2004 at 7:14 AM (PDT)

How the iPod Ended the OS Wars

There are a few things that people aren’t considering:

I had a pc that was voted the ‘best pc for under a grand’ by a respectable pc mag. It actually cost me 1052 inc vat, but three years later it had depreciated by around 75%. This is because so many companies had contributed to this pc, there was no standard of build quality or people would be unsure if it would run nicely, therefore they were not prepared to pay what i knew it was worth.

My time with pc’s was enjoyable, but after getting my ipod, and seeing my friends imac, I could see the benefits of switching..

I could tell that my once miserable ipod (that i named isulk) was so much happier sitting next to the matching white (not beige!) imac.. so renamed him ‘igrin’.

If you look on ebay at the prices for 3 year old imacs, they do actually hold their value well, so therfore it will work out less expensive than the ‘best pc for under a grand’.


......continues .....

Posted by JIMMY on February 21, 2004 at 7:13 AM (PDT)

How the iPod Ended the OS Wars

Well, I guess this thread is a perfect demonstration of the fact that the OS Wars are definitely NOT over…

I like macs. They’re easy to use, have style, and set themselves apart from the crowd of otherwise boring computers. Why buy a MINI Cooper when a Ford Focus has more room and probably the same horsepower, and better gas mileage? A TAG Heuer watch costs $2000 and has fewer functions than a $50 Timex!

What the windows bean counters don’t see is that Apple DOESN’T want to be the fastest, cheapest, or most mass-produced computer. The consumer market is riddled with designer items that cost more than their cheap-o counterparts but have more style. As long as Apple keeps making stylish, easy-to-use computers that are fun to look at even when they’re turned off (my 17” iMac is a case in point), There will still be a strong apple following.

The mac zealots need to realize that on most tangible criteria by which computers are measured, the Mac will win some and lose some, but that’s OK, because what makes the Mac a high-end machine are the intangibles, like style, cool factor, and ease of use.

Posted by DrPete on February 21, 2004 at 7:12 AM (PDT)

How the iPod Ended the OS Wars

Halvie, if you want to use the car analogy - most people don’t want to build their own cars. They don’t want to fiddle with what they don’t entirely understand. If you know how to build a PC, good for you. I don’t, and don’t particularly have any interest in learning - just like I couldn’t care less about how to build a car.

Posted by Nathan on February 21, 2004 at 6:33 AM (PDT)

How the iPod Ended the OS Wars

Jesus..you guys are about as bad as the windows fans…until Apple puts out a os that will run on x86 I won’t be buying a mac. I will never pay someone to put a computer together when I can do it in a hour and save my self a couple grand. What makes you people think that if you spend more money your getting more?

So what you are really saying is that you “expensive” mac is way better than my “cheapy” pc. Which is a amd 2500+( running at 235x11), 512x2 Muskin black lvl2 3500+(2-2-11), asus a7n8x deluxe,ati 9800xt, audigy2, plexwriter cdrw,2 120 gig hds…I built my whole machine over a grand. Your telling my its a cheap piece of crap? Get a life. If your macs are “exotic” cars..then I guess mine is good old american muscle.

Posted by Halvie on February 21, 2004 at 4:40 AM (PDT)

Future Pods

Firmware update for present iPod: You guys know what Powermate is, right? Isn’t it good to have a free Powermate because your iPod has the best scroll wheel in the planet. If Apple update the firmware so your plugged iPod can help you edit video, control volumn, edit picture, browse the internet and the possibility is unlimited! Just imagine five extra buttons with a killer scroll wheel more for no extra charge. Guys, help me to let Apple know that so we will become the luckiest computing population in the universe. Secondly, Apple shouldn’t let someone like Belkin to ask for unreasonable price for those accessaries. Why? Just make the future iPods come with the replaceable batteries. A mini mic is cheap too! Apple should put one in each iPod (just like the left “dot” in iMac’s ) so they will be voice recorders! Card reader? Hey! I think it is cheap and easy to put a SD reader in an iPod. Pls. correct me if I am wrong. Taiwanese factories listen. Pls. make some cheap card readers for iPods like the one I have which costed me only USD 8! for my mac. I am willing to pay USD 20 for a card reader, but not USD 100! Finally, I am not so eager to see iPod to play video, I mean large files like movies. A color display that makes viewing pictures and short video clips possible is something really nice. iPods should always be small and simple.

Posted by Kris on February 20, 2004 at 11:34 PM (PDT)

Future Pods

I would like to see a combination ipod/ portable XM Radio… Probably the technology is still a bit too expensive, but soon…

Posted by Expungable Robot on February 20, 2004 at 9:22 PM (PDT)

How the iPod Ended the OS Wars

Turtl, you’re an idiot. Linux is flexible in that it can power $200 PCs. It can also power $50K workstations, and $500m supercomputers. Far more supercomputers use Linux than use OSX.

And you are wrong. Apple didn’t make the first GUI - that was Xerox. Apple and Microsoft both stole the idea from them.

http://www.folklore.org/StoryView.py?project=Macintosh&story=A_Rich_Neighbor_Named_Xerox.txt

“You’re ripping us off!”, Steve shouted, raising his voice even higher. “I trusted you, and now you’re stealing from us!”

But Bill Gates just stood there coolly, looking Steve directly in the eye, before starting to speak in his squeaky voice.

“Well, Steve, I think there’s more than one way of looking at it. I think it’s more like we both had this rich neighbor named Xerox and I broke into his house to steal the TV set and found out that you had already stolen it.”

Posted by lies on February 20, 2004 at 8:38 PM (PDT)

How the iPod Ended the OS Wars

look…Apple made the first GUI, MS copied…everything that Apple does MS copies…so basically everyone who is buying cheap ### PCs are just buying mac knock offs…like iPod knock offs (samsung, dell etc etc) so…the Mac OS X is better. Period. and linux…linux are cheap computers for white trash people who cant afford more than 250$...

Posted by Ninja Turtl on February 20, 2004 at 8:25 PM (PDT)

How the iPod Ended the OS Wars

A lot of my friends have done this, and I’m trying to get the money to do it as well.

We all have PC desktops.  We’re all gamers so it doesn’t make sense to have anything else at a LAN party.

But for mobility they all have and I’m getting a Powerbook.

We do a blend of the two.  It is possible to co-exist.

On my desktop I even have dual boot WinXP Pro and Linux Mandrake.

Can’t we all just get along?

Posted by Felix Leech in PA on February 20, 2004 at 6:48 PM (PDT)

How the iPod Ended the OS Wars

Windows Media - you can also find these in QUicktime but I said “Why Bother?”

I’m A Mac Gamer

Old but still funny:

The Mac Experience

Posted by Mac Adverts on February 20, 2004 at 5:15 PM (PDT)

How the iPod Ended the OS Wars

Idiots…get a grip ya’ll. Who really cares!
Buy what ya want…if you had a lfe you wouldn’t be posting here…nobody reads this #### except for you losers and me grin
Normal people don’t care.

Posted by Frank on February 20, 2004 at 4:50 PM (PDT)

How the iPod Ended the OS Wars

Great, Cheech you bought a $2000 game machine. My PS2 cost $199. But seriously, what graphics card did you get in your machine? Have you ever used iTunes or QT? I’m guessing not for very long. Are those 6 USB ports independent or two ports and 6 connections? Apple’s cheapest model is $799 (w 17” Monitor). The Dual 1.8GHz G5 is cost comparable to equivalent “high” brand PC (like IBM or HP). My Mac came with iMovie, iPhoto, iDVD, GarageBand, iTunes, Quicken, WorldBook, a couple of Pangea Games, OmniOutliner, AppleWorks, GraphicConverter, iChat, Mail, Addressbook, iCal, Preview, and Font Book (don’t need Norton AntiVirus, yet).

It’s good that you are happy with your purchase but not all people want just the cheapest machine.

David

Posted by David on February 20, 2004 at 4:47 PM (PDT)

How the iPod Ended the OS Wars

Your kidding, right?  LMAO.  Mac’s are WAY more expensive.  Where can you get a 2.5 GHz Mac w/ a 80GB hard drive and 17” monitor for $500?  Oh wait, Mac doesn’t have 2.5 GHz computers and their cheapest models are around $1,500! 
Also, my PC came w/ way more software than ANY Mac does.  Norton Antivirus was free, Microsoft Encarta (encyclopedia), Streets & Trips (maps), Microsoft Money, Microsoft PictureIt, MusicMatch Jukebox, 2 DVD players, and tons more!  Also, Windows Media Player is so much more capable than iTunes and QuickTime player combined.  My 3.06 GHz PC w/ 160 GB hard drive and 512 MB RDRAM was cheaper than the 1.25 GHz G4 PowerMac.  And it has 2 firewire ports, 6 USB ports, and additional keyboard, mouse, parallel, and parallel printer port which is far more ports than the G4/G5’s.  Not to mention the applications (especially games) that aren’t available on Mac or they come out much later.

Posted by Cheech on February 20, 2004 at 3:56 PM (PDT)

How the iPod Ended the OS Wars

“those firewire ports cost money you know.”

Firewire cards for PCs start at $7. Gosh that’s a lot. Yeah, that must be why Macs cost so much.

FW800, or “1394b”, well, they are more pricey. Try $50. Yeah, I still see why Macs cost so much.

Posted by Firewire on February 20, 2004 at 3:50 PM (PDT)

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