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A look at the iPod mini

GearHead: As my last post clearly stated, “the people who are buying the iPod mini clearly don’t care about the capacity.” Since you do care about capacity and you place more value on that than form factor (as I also alluded to), then I do understand your perspective. Whether or not I care is another thing altogether.

But, Rick, if you’re so open and gracious - as your last post seems to imply - then why address my original post with a defensive remark about the 15GB iPod when I never referenced that at all.

Oh, and I actually agree with you on this one. If I were to buy an iPod today, there’s no doubt I’d buy the 15GB. But that’s just me.

Posted by Atomic Bomb in Mid-Atlantic on January 15, 2004 at 4:11 PM (CST)

A look at the iPod mini

You apparently think I’m arguing against the mini.  <sigh> Whatever.

You know what, Atomic, in my attempt to help you understand the perspective of the “idiots (without a clue)”, I must have not have gotten my point through, or you didn’t read my post.  Judging by your comparison between a Dell Dimension and an iPod, you’ve got hyperbole down to a science, but maybe not comprehension.

You don’t have to explain to me the positive attributes of the iPod mini.  It’s pretty clear that the mini is a great player, just aimed at a market segment that makes purchases on a different basis than I do.  But before you get your panties too far into a bunch, realize that I’m just trying to help you understand some logic that you apparently don’t get. 

Here is the concept really simply:  We’re not talking about two products that worlds apart in size, or price.  Just capacity.  For me, the insignificant size and appearance differences weren’t enough to justify buying one.  That doesn’t mean they don’t matter at all, just not enough for me.

You’re right, Apple clearly has plenty of customers that care more about size and form, and don’t put a premium on capacity.  Well bully for them.  Now they’ve got the player they’ve been looking for, and I completely understand why.  I’m curious if you understand anything beyond your own perspective.

Scratch that, curiosity gone.

Posted by GearHead in Seattle on January 15, 2004 at 3:55 PM (CST)

A look at the iPod mini

GearHead: Then, as has been said by many on this subject, don’t buy the mini. Problem solved.

Clearly you don’t place a value on form factor. No problem. Then why stop with a 15GB iPod? If form factor isn’t a concern, then spend an extra $150 and you can get a 120GB music player - a Dell Dimension desktop. Sure, it’s a slightly larger unit, but you get so much more capacity.

The people who are buying the iPod mini clearly don’t care about the capacity. They don’t need to listen to 13 days of uninterrupted music (or whatever 15GB translates into). For them, the iPod mini fits more than enough music, and what matters is the fact that it weighs less than the iPod, is the size of a business card, has a really cool look (subjective), and - get this - is $50 less! They get everything they want and need, and they get it for less money.

If value for capacity was such an issue, then why was the best selling iPod the 10GB (predecessor to the current 15GB)? I mean, for just $100 more you could get twice the capacity (plus a bunch of accessories)! Or for just $100 more than that you could get 40GB. Clearly the best value in terms of storage was the least-selling 40GB model. That kind of goes against your logic, eh?

No matter, the iPod mini is already outpacing the iPod in orders. So I guess you and the lot of people like you aren’t the only customers Apple has.

Posted by Atomic Bomb in Mid-Atlantic on January 15, 2004 at 3:33 PM (CST)

A look at the iPod mini

Atomic, a lot of people, myself included, fail to see the value of the Mini when compared to the 15GB iPod.  That doesn’t mean that the Minis don’t have value nor does it mean that they’re overpriced.  It means that it’s hard to justify paying $250 for a 4GB player, when for just $50 more you can have 15GB (more than 3X the capacity) in a slightly larger unit.
Many people like me couldn’t justify buying one when considering the 15GB.

Posted by GearHead in Seattle on January 15, 2004 at 3:15 PM (CST)

A look at the iPod mini

That’s pretty funny. Of course, the best use for the Nomad would have been to leave it in pieces. Ouch.

No seriously, he forgot to include the cost of the 1GB microdrive in his final analysis. It does make me laugh to see all the complainers out there bitching about the price of the iPod mini when the hard drive purchased alone is $150 more than the device. Amazing. When will these idiots ever get a clue?

Posted by Atomic Bomb in Mid-Atlantic on January 15, 2004 at 3:06 PM (CST)

A look at the iPod mini

sorry, here’s the link to the above

http://www.fredmiranda.com/forum/topic/65456

Posted by changwei on January 15, 2004 at 2:59 PM (CST)

A look at the iPod mini

if you think $249 for ipod mini is expensive, try to get just the 4GB Hitachi Microdrive by itself.
http://www.flash-memory-store.com/4gbibmiitins.html

A guy got a Nomad MuVo2 just to break it open and get the 4GB Microdrive for his digital camera.

Posted by changwei on January 15, 2004 at 2:58 PM (CST)

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one of anodized metal ones…in ipod white…

forever :D

Posted by Brock on January 15, 2004 at 11:01 AM (CST)

A look at the iPod mini

“Anyone willing to buy me a mini form the US?” - Matt

Hey Matt, I’m in Seattle, and I’d be happy to help you buy a Mini - with no charge.  You can reach me at: .(JavaScript must be enabled to view this email address)

Cheers,

Rick

Posted by GearHead in Seattle on January 15, 2004 at 11:00 AM (CST)

A look at the iPod mini

@Dave

thats realy bad i get my 20gb ipod at end of the moth a friend of mine gets me one from the us for 370$ ~ 290

Posted by Kendo on January 15, 2004 at 10:27 AM (CST)

How to create playlists in iTunes

My son & I both have ipods.  He has a mac, I have windows.  He has an extensive itunes list, some of it I like and some I don’t.  I want to be able to create a playlist for my ipod and one exclusively for him on his mac.  Is there anyway to do this, so when we add songs it updates our selected playlist only.

Also, my daughter uploaded some of his songs off his mac and now wants them to show up on her itunes list, but we can’t seem to do that.  She has it on her ipod but we can’t get it to copy to her hard drive.

Thank you, thank you, thank!

Posted by Barry on January 15, 2004 at 9:41 AM (CST)

A look at the iPod mini

Well, the nicest thing about th iPod mini, from my perspective, is that it’s only a matter of time before there’s a 10gb version, and then a 20gb version.

Currently I’ve got a 10gb 1st gen iPod, and I’m waaay to spoiled by the capacity to even think about buying something with less storage… that is, unless it’s a $50.00 flash-based, pea sized unit to be used just for jogging.

Posted by Another Dave on January 15, 2004 at 8:38 AM (CST)

A look at the iPod mini

I would be willing to buy one for you and ship it to the UK, of course for an extra convenience charge.  Let me know if you’re interested.  My email is:  .(JavaScript must be enabled to view this email address)

You can check my trading credibility on ebay.  My user id is:  HEQUIBAL (90 positive feedback, 100% positive)

Posted by Mike on January 15, 2004 at 8:36 AM (CST)

A look at the iPod mini

The most annoying thing is, I just paid

Posted by Matt on January 15, 2004 at 8:25 AM (CST)

A look at the iPod mini

steve and other seem to not understand how the iPod mini scroll wheel works…

First off the scroll wheel DOES NOT TURN. It is a solid state wheel just like the 2G and 3G iPods. What it does do is slighly rock in and out at the 4 cardinal points of the wheel. Basically you smoothly move your finger over the wheel for turning functions and push inward causing a true movement inward to push a button.

The wheel DOES NOT ROTATE. do not think this is like the 1G wheel, it is NOT.

Posted by Dave on January 15, 2004 at 8:12 AM (CST)

A look at the iPod mini

steve and other seem to not understand how the iPod mini scroll wheel works…

First off the scroll wheel DOES NOT TURN. It is a solid state wheel just like the 2G and 3G iPods. What it does do is slighly rock in and out at the 4 cardinal points of the wheel. Basically you smoothly move your finger over the wheel for turning functions and push inward causing a true movement inward to push a button.

The wheel DOES NOT ROTATE. do not think this is like the 1G wheel, it is NOT.

Posted by Dave on January 15, 2004 at 8:12 AM (CST)

A look at the iPod mini

I agree with RS, but i’m pretty sure the holes arent’ meant to transfer anything, i think theyre just meant to anchor any peripheral into it… :)

Posted by fnarfy in j on January 15, 2004 at 8:09 AM (CST)

A look at the iPod mini

marco: The reset sequence is different for the iPod mini.

Posted by Atomic Bomb in Mid-Atlantic on January 15, 2004 at 7:14 AM (CST)

A look at the iPod mini

Wow…they edited screw holes…..  so you know what I was saying…they are like nails, but you use a screwdriver to fasten them.

Also this business about your entire library fitting on it….It never was really intended to put all your music on it…it was simply intended to be smaller and easier to use while doing more physical activities, to compete with the flash technology ones that are great because they are small and easy to use while working out and so forth.  And I know I cannot fit all of my music on one of those flash ones.  They simply serve a different purpose.  Might I remind you that it will still take more than 3 days listening to your iPod continuously before you will hear every song on a 4 GB drive.

Posted by rs on January 15, 2004 at 7:06 AM (CST)

A look at the iPod mini

You mentioned the small holes in the bottom of the iPod mini….are you sure they are for 3rd party devices?  I had read that the iPod mini was supposed to be easier to open up in order to replace batteries and such, and since most 3rd party developers are more than likely going to use the dock port for anything, I would guess that the small holes are nothing more than screw holes.

Posted by rs on January 15, 2004 at 6:58 AM (CST)

A look at the iPod mini

I have a first generation iPod and love its scroll wheel.  My music library is far too large for its 5GB disk, but I hold onto it as I dislike the current wheels on the full sized ipods

Hopefully this new wheel will come to the full sized line!

Posted by steve on January 15, 2004 at 6:52 AM (CST)

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Amazon price is correct.  $249 is suggested list price.  So far the color most ordered is silver.  Interestingly the “new” wheel is very similar to the original one with the buttons around it.  Only the way it works is slightly different.

Posted by Peter on January 15, 2004 at 6:18 AM (CST)

A look at the iPod mini

ipod mini is listed at $249.00 at Amazon.com for pre order

Posted by Paul Rouse on January 15, 2004 at 1:55 AM (CST)

A look at the iPod mini

wow joao you sound real smart and persuasive :)

if u think everyone likes exactly what u like… who’s stupid?

my pink mini is on the way… wish it was febuary!

Posted by Mac Beth on January 14, 2004 at 11:06 PM (CST)

A look at the iPod mini

Joao, you’re a liar or an idiot!

The Muvo 1.5G is $200 and the 4Gig lists at $350. It is “on sale” right now for $299 or $50 more than the iPod mini. Although this is as small as the mini, it has a display that is totally unusable and micro controls that will not be nearly as easy to work with as the iPod mini.

The iPod was successful not only because it was small and stylish, but because it had a killer interface. Apple didn’t compromise anything and people were willing to pay the price. The mini is the same thing all over again.

BTW - I have not seen this in person but it appears that everyone who has, really likes the look.

Posted by Doug Petrosky on January 14, 2004 at 10:38 PM (CST)

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