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How the iPod Ended the OS Wars

Well, I guess this thread is a perfect demonstration of the fact that the OS Wars are definitely NOT over…

I like macs. They’re easy to use, have style, and set themselves apart from the crowd of otherwise boring computers. Why buy a MINI Cooper when a Ford Focus has more room and probably the same horsepower, and better gas mileage? A TAG Heuer watch costs $2000 and has fewer functions than a $50 Timex!

What the windows bean counters don’t see is that Apple DOESN’T want to be the fastest, cheapest, or most mass-produced computer. The consumer market is riddled with designer items that cost more than their cheap-o counterparts but have more style. As long as Apple keeps making stylish, easy-to-use computers that are fun to look at even when they’re turned off (my 17” iMac is a case in point), There will still be a strong apple following.

The mac zealots need to realize that on most tangible criteria by which computers are measured, the Mac will win some and lose some, but that’s OK, because what makes the Mac a high-end machine are the intangibles, like style, cool factor, and ease of use.

Posted by DrPete on February 21, 2004 at 7:12 AM (PDT)

How the iPod Ended the OS Wars

Halvie, if you want to use the car analogy - most people don’t want to build their own cars. They don’t want to fiddle with what they don’t entirely understand. If you know how to build a PC, good for you. I don’t, and don’t particularly have any interest in learning - just like I couldn’t care less about how to build a car.

Posted by Nathan on February 21, 2004 at 6:33 AM (PDT)

How the iPod Ended the OS Wars

Jesus..you guys are about as bad as the windows fans…until Apple puts out a os that will run on x86 I won’t be buying a mac. I will never pay someone to put a computer together when I can do it in a hour and save my self a couple grand. What makes you people think that if you spend more money your getting more?

So what you are really saying is that you “expensive” mac is way better than my “cheapy” pc. Which is a amd 2500+( running at 235x11), 512x2 Muskin black lvl2 3500+(2-2-11), asus a7n8x deluxe,ati 9800xt, audigy2, plexwriter cdrw,2 120 gig hds…I built my whole machine over a grand. Your telling my its a cheap piece of crap? Get a life. If your macs are “exotic” cars..then I guess mine is good old american muscle.

Posted by Halvie on February 21, 2004 at 4:40 AM (PDT)

Future Pods

Firmware update for present iPod: You guys know what Powermate is, right? Isn’t it good to have a free Powermate because your iPod has the best scroll wheel in the planet. If Apple update the firmware so your plugged iPod can help you edit video, control volumn, edit picture, browse the internet and the possibility is unlimited! Just imagine five extra buttons with a killer scroll wheel more for no extra charge. Guys, help me to let Apple know that so we will become the luckiest computing population in the universe. Secondly, Apple shouldn’t let someone like Belkin to ask for unreasonable price for those accessaries. Why? Just make the future iPods come with the replaceable batteries. A mini mic is cheap too! Apple should put one in each iPod (just like the left “dot” in iMac’s ) so they will be voice recorders! Card reader? Hey! I think it is cheap and easy to put a SD reader in an iPod. Pls. correct me if I am wrong. Taiwanese factories listen. Pls. make some cheap card readers for iPods like the one I have which costed me only USD 8! for my mac. I am willing to pay USD 20 for a card reader, but not USD 100! Finally, I am not so eager to see iPod to play video, I mean large files like movies. A color display that makes viewing pictures and short video clips possible is something really nice. iPods should always be small and simple.

Posted by Kris on February 20, 2004 at 11:34 PM (PDT)

Future Pods

I would like to see a combination ipod/ portable XM Radio… Probably the technology is still a bit too expensive, but soon…

Posted by Expungable Robot on February 20, 2004 at 9:22 PM (PDT)

How the iPod Ended the OS Wars

Turtl, you’re an idiot. Linux is flexible in that it can power $200 PCs. It can also power $50K workstations, and $500m supercomputers. Far more supercomputers use Linux than use OSX.

And you are wrong. Apple didn’t make the first GUI - that was Xerox. Apple and Microsoft both stole the idea from them.

http://www.folklore.org/StoryView.py?project=Macintosh&story=A_Rich_Neighbor_Named_Xerox.txt

“You’re ripping us off!”, Steve shouted, raising his voice even higher. “I trusted you, and now you’re stealing from us!”

But Bill Gates just stood there coolly, looking Steve directly in the eye, before starting to speak in his squeaky voice.

“Well, Steve, I think there’s more than one way of looking at it. I think it’s more like we both had this rich neighbor named Xerox and I broke into his house to steal the TV set and found out that you had already stolen it.”

Posted by lies on February 20, 2004 at 8:38 PM (PDT)

How the iPod Ended the OS Wars

look…Apple made the first GUI, MS copied…everything that Apple does MS copies…so basically everyone who is buying cheap ### PCs are just buying mac knock offs…like iPod knock offs (samsung, dell etc etc) so…the Mac OS X is better. Period. and linux…linux are cheap computers for white trash people who cant afford more than 250$...

Posted by Ninja Turtl on February 20, 2004 at 8:25 PM (PDT)

How the iPod Ended the OS Wars

A lot of my friends have done this, and I’m trying to get the money to do it as well.

We all have PC desktops.  We’re all gamers so it doesn’t make sense to have anything else at a LAN party.

But for mobility they all have and I’m getting a Powerbook.

We do a blend of the two.  It is possible to co-exist.

On my desktop I even have dual boot WinXP Pro and Linux Mandrake.

Can’t we all just get along?

Posted by Felix Leech in PA on February 20, 2004 at 6:48 PM (PDT)

How the iPod Ended the OS Wars

Windows Media - you can also find these in QUicktime but I said “Why Bother?”

I’m A Mac Gamer

Old but still funny:

The Mac Experience

Posted by Mac Adverts on February 20, 2004 at 5:15 PM (PDT)

How the iPod Ended the OS Wars

Idiots…get a grip ya’ll. Who really cares!
Buy what ya want…if you had a lfe you wouldn’t be posting here…nobody reads this #### except for you losers and me grin
Normal people don’t care.

Posted by Frank on February 20, 2004 at 4:50 PM (PDT)

How the iPod Ended the OS Wars

Great, Cheech you bought a $2000 game machine. My PS2 cost $199. But seriously, what graphics card did you get in your machine? Have you ever used iTunes or QT? I’m guessing not for very long. Are those 6 USB ports independent or two ports and 6 connections? Apple’s cheapest model is $799 (w 17” Monitor). The Dual 1.8GHz G5 is cost comparable to equivalent “high” brand PC (like IBM or HP). My Mac came with iMovie, iPhoto, iDVD, GarageBand, iTunes, Quicken, WorldBook, a couple of Pangea Games, OmniOutliner, AppleWorks, GraphicConverter, iChat, Mail, Addressbook, iCal, Preview, and Font Book (don’t need Norton AntiVirus, yet).

It’s good that you are happy with your purchase but not all people want just the cheapest machine.

David

Posted by David on February 20, 2004 at 4:47 PM (PDT)

How the iPod Ended the OS Wars

Your kidding, right?  LMAO.  Mac’s are WAY more expensive.  Where can you get a 2.5 GHz Mac w/ a 80GB hard drive and 17” monitor for $500?  Oh wait, Mac doesn’t have 2.5 GHz computers and their cheapest models are around $1,500! 
Also, my PC came w/ way more software than ANY Mac does.  Norton Antivirus was free, Microsoft Encarta (encyclopedia), Streets & Trips (maps), Microsoft Money, Microsoft PictureIt, MusicMatch Jukebox, 2 DVD players, and tons more!  Also, Windows Media Player is so much more capable than iTunes and QuickTime player combined.  My 3.06 GHz PC w/ 160 GB hard drive and 512 MB RDRAM was cheaper than the 1.25 GHz G4 PowerMac.  And it has 2 firewire ports, 6 USB ports, and additional keyboard, mouse, parallel, and parallel printer port which is far more ports than the G4/G5’s.  Not to mention the applications (especially games) that aren’t available on Mac or they come out much later.

Posted by Cheech on February 20, 2004 at 3:56 PM (PDT)

How the iPod Ended the OS Wars

“those firewire ports cost money you know.”

Firewire cards for PCs start at $7. Gosh that’s a lot. Yeah, that must be why Macs cost so much.

FW800, or “1394b”, well, they are more pricey. Try $50. Yeah, I still see why Macs cost so much.

Posted by Firewire on February 20, 2004 at 3:50 PM (PDT)

How the iPod Ended the OS Wars

hahahaha… I love how people say that Mac’s are more expensive… considering you don’t need to pay for and you get all this software included…

Oh yeah.. well I saved like 150 bucks on not having to buy Norton AntiVirus..

And deleting your harddrive after another worm is a big deal…


Besides.. PC users have been using the price thing for ages now.. and if you compare two similarly equipped comps mac/pc.. the macs are more affordable.. go try it..

most wintel guys would be shocked to see all the stuff that’s included on each and every mac… those firewire ports cost money you know..


So at the end of the day it has nothing to do with money… if apple wanted a great marketshare.. they’d put out a cheap MAc… they know this.. they don’t really care.. as long as they have a nice CONSUMER marketshare.. we’re not talking about ######’ bank teller boxes from legend here…

At the end of the day, win users cannot understand the mac users. They have NO IDEA how they think.

Posted by Mike on February 20, 2004 at 3:39 PM (PDT)

How the iPod Ended the OS Wars

Grandma and the kids are already “fudging with the complexities” of Linux - have you been to Walmart lately? Linux is so popular that they are now carrying two brands of Linux: Lindows and Suse.

You can get Linux PCs for $200!

Granted these are not powerhouses, but for 90% of what most people do with PCs - word processing, web browsing, playing music and video - they work fine.

Walmart is the lowest common denominator - if the Linux installed on these PCs wasn’t moronically simple to operate then Walmart wouldn’t do it - they don’t have the margins to deal with support issues.

Saying that OSX is a serious contender for Joe Q Public’s affections is sticking your head in the sand - Apple’s share of the OS market has declined since they were #1 in 1980… and it’s all been downhill since then with a continual slide into gathering obscurity. Now Apple ranks below Linux in terms of installations, and behind crappy clone vendors like Acer and Legend.

And finally, all OSes have issues. Saying OSX is “rock solid” flies in the face of OSX’s occasional proclivity for eating eternal filesystems.

Posted by Walmart on February 20, 2004 at 3:20 PM (PDT)

How the iPod Ended the OS Wars

Mr. Sensible sees the point clearly.  A Mac is not a piece of hardware and an OS (well technically it is ahha), but its a carefully designed experience.  Sure they could easily port OSX to x86 (in fact it could even exist), but then hardware becomes an unknown or unmanaged factor.  The “ease of use” would be tainted because they cannot manage the hardware configuration piece.

Apple has a nicely streamlined OS and some impressive hardware, but the key factor in the experience (i.e. “it just works”) is their control of everything involved.  They know what the hardware is and they work out the software bugs on the known hardware platform.

I would love to see OSX on x86 as much as the next geek, but IMHO the resulting fallout would tarnish their “it works” reputation.

Posted by Xenious on February 20, 2004 at 2:51 PM (PDT)

How the iPod Ended the OS Wars

It would be a big engineering project for Apple to port to x86.  Having to deal with the myriad of hardware/shipset/pci card combinations that exist in the PC world.  Sure, they can qualify OS X/86 for a limited set of hardware combinations but then people would still complain it doesn’t work on their no-name boxes and cards and that getting brand name hardware is too expensive and we would be back to square one.  Point is, if you need work done, get a Mac.  If you want to contually upgrade and patch, get a PC with Windows.

Posted by Mr. Sensible on February 20, 2004 at 1:06 PM (PDT)

How the iPod Ended the OS Wars

I don’t see grandma and the kids fudging around with Linux anytime soon.  Linux may be making it in the enterprise, but there’s a long way to go before it becomes as threat to MS dominance of the consumer desktop.

Apple is not a bystander.  Apple’s OS X is rock solid without the sloppiness of Windows and without the complexities of Linux.

OS X is everything Linux wants to be.

Posted by The Raven in USA on February 20, 2004 at 12:21 PM (PDT)

How the iPod Ended the OS Wars

The Linux market share is now larger than OSX.

The battle is no longer between MS and Apple, it is between MS and Linux. Apple is a bystander.

And what the #### does “several quantums better” mean, jbelkin? A “quantum” is something so small you can not see it. Something infinitesimal. Like your sense of what you are talking about.

Posted by Linux on February 20, 2004 at 11:21 AM (PDT)

How the iPod Ended the OS Wars

All those programs the article mentions that started out on the Mac still run better on the Mac.  So, I don’t see the point.

By the way, ever tried running ProTools on a PC?  What a nightmare!

Recoil,
You’re right, but we all know MS is trying to control the Internet as well!

Posted by The Raven in USA on February 20, 2004 at 11:21 AM (PDT)

How the iPod Ended the OS Wars

First, it’s not the Mac costs too much money - you are either not making enough or if you don’t really need much from a computer, you don’t need a Mac. Just like a Chevy Metro, if you just need basic transportation - like a PC, it’s cheap and does the minimal it’s supposed to. If you can’t afford more or don’t need more - nothing wrong with it.

When you can afford more - you can step up to the Porsche of computers. But that’s your choice and ours/mine to choose how we spend our money. Sure, it costs more but we think the VALUE we get is exponentially greater than just going by cost. If all you judge whether to buy a product is on cost - that seems pretty narrow-minded (presuming you’re not just in college), that’s your choice. You may choose to spend your dollars how you choose.

But don’t sneer at better things just because it’s within your means. Macs are costly because they are flat out better and really, much cheaper because they are several quantums better than a Pc but only a few hundred dollars more. In this case, you get EXACTLY what you pay for.

Take the Dell Mp3 player - looks somewhat like an ipod - main selling points - longer battery life and cheaper BUT ... it does NOT sync. And it goes silent when fast forwarding or in reverse. Or that it records low quality speech - sounds useful except you cannot EXPORT it even to a PC. Like many Pc products, it has ‘features’ galore but when it actually comes down to usefulness?

Because a PC cannot win on anything else, it can only get you to buy it because it’s CHEAP. Think about that and waht you stand for.

Posted by jbelkin on February 20, 2004 at 11:10 AM (PDT)

How the iPod Ended the OS Wars

If people are so damn worried about the profit margins on Macs, go look at MS’s last quaterly report. Their profits are 50% of their revenues. So who exaclty is gouging their customers?

Posted by David on February 20, 2004 at 10:56 AM (PDT)

How the iPod Ended the OS Wars

I think your article got it completely wrong.  iTunes on windows and iPod for windows doesn’t prove there’s no difference between the platforms—it proves that only Apple is delivering the usability and elegance that consumers want. Even if Microsoft could copy the look and feel of OSX entirely, it’s still driven by a “consumer hostile” mentality—more and more Windows (and it’s formats, i.e. Windows Media Player) is designed to lock content in a digital prison, and treat consumers like criminals.  And have you noticed that this year particularly, Windows is being hit with worms and viruses and adbots and spyware at an alarming rate?  The windows world has become a sewer.  Everyone knows how badly it stinks, and it’s getting worse.  So I couldn’t disagree more with the author of this article—the difference between Windows and OSX is like night and day, and becoming more so every day.

Posted by bruce on February 20, 2004 at 10:45 AM (PDT)

How the iPod Ended the OS Wars

My boss switched from PC to a 20” imac months after buying an iPod for his wife, falling in love with it and keeping it, then buying another one for his wife. Total: $3000 to apple and one PC in the landfill.

Posted by Mr. Pink on February 20, 2004 at 9:38 AM (PDT)

How the iPod Ended the OS Wars

To sum: Increasing the OS user base will spread the cost of OS development across more users. Increasing the OS user base will increase the quantity, speed, and quality of applications on the Mac OS platform. Just the announcement of Mac on x86 alone could be worth hundreds of millions in free advertising. And increasing the brand loyalty through software will fuel future hardware sales.

Posted by mpc on February 20, 2004 at 9:19 AM (PDT)

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