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Will any MP3 player ever catch Apple's iPod?

Cycloptic Pimpernel, I am not a loser. I have plenty of friends, and I do socialize. I just don’t believe a single word Albert says. Why? Because I know of plenty of people who have been able to EXCHANGE their ipod’s for a new one with NO problem at all. I have a PC too, that I use for coding in VB, probably one of the simplest languages to code in. I am not anti-PC, I just hate it when people are full of crap, and they talk about it here on the boards. XP has TONS of problems with devices. I have expierenced many of them, and so have my friends. You can call me ignorant as much as you want, but you are just showing your ignorance with that very statement. What I think is HILARIOUS, is the fact that a guy like Cycloptic Pimpernel is calling me a loser. What kind of STUPID, and IDIOTIC name is that? I am done with this topic. If you have anything intelligent to say, e-mail me. Oh, and by the way, about all Mac users being as ignorant as me. It is a well known fact that Mac users are more intelligent then PC users. I can go into more details about how I am not ignorant, but I would rather not rub it in your all ready.

Now, I am sorry if what I said came off as rude before. Fact of the matter is, I don’t believe a single thing Albert has said. I have listed my reasons why. He tried to give a rebuttle, which I have proved wrong on my own. If you want to argue with me, that is a personal problem. As far as I am concerned, the flaming started the moment Albert started making his post, full of ignorance. I simply gave a rebuttle.

Do you want to know more about what qualifies me to say stuff about the quality of Microsoft products? I have beta tested Windows 2000 Professional, and Server, Office 97, Office 2000, Internet Explorer, and a few development suites that are now out. I have also tested some copies of Jaguar before it went GM. Not to mention that while I’m in school, I’m a freelance technician for both Macs and PCs. So, if you have any other comments be sure to let me know. As far as I am concerned, Albert is a disgruntled customer, and I saw them all the time having worked for an Apple Specialist. They can be easily identified, by complaining about one thing, then making up other stuff just to try to manipulate the retailer into doing what they want. I have seen it many times.

Posted by Charles on June 8, 2003 at 12:26 PM (CDT)

My iPod Buying Experience

I’m trying to decide whether or not to buy an Ipod.  It would be great (of course) to own, but considering that I make only $250 a week…  Also, is it worth it to buy the second generation Ipod, or should I save that extra money and spring for some accessories with a first generation Ipod?  I went to, because I have a gift thingy for $100 off of $400, but all they seem to carry is the 10 gig $300 model

Posted by Aakash on June 8, 2003 at 12:06 PM (CDT)

Will any MP3 player ever catch Apple's iPod?

Charles you really are a loser .. try socialising, having firends, having a drink of whisky every now and then, be a risk taker istead of sitting at home getting worked up over poor Albert who IS correct in saying that the Apple store has a restocking fee of 15% .. (read around the other forums - If your friend had no problems then good for him).

This place is meant to help people with problems. If you’re extremely good with PC and MAC problems then why don’t you try helping others instead of sucking your own genitalia. (ooohh .. i’ve worked with this, this, and that!) ..Bothered..!

I doubt Albert will ever use this forum again for help after the cold hearted abuse you gave him.

I love Macs but own a PC, to be honest, i was thinking of switching but if all mac users are as ignorant as you then I don’t want want to be a part of it.. luckily there’s only a couple of losers so i probably will switch. Charles, you don’t deserve this much attention but i’m feeling generous..

Apologies for draging this post to a lower abusive level and i know 2 wrongs don’t make a right, but I couldn’t resist sticking up for Albert.

Anon gets the idea! He knows what I’m saying!

Charles .. start helping people with problems, stop abusing them.

Posted by Cycloptic Pimpernel in Sunny Stoke / Huddersfield on June 8, 2003 at 11:39 AM (CDT)

Switching from MP3 to AAC Without Losing Your Mind

Hi ..
A couple of questions :

Does encoding mp3 to AAC make the quality the same but the size smaller?
(If i can only re-encode and not re-rip, should I bother changing mp3’s to AAC?)

Also, any news on iTunes for PC? Coz I was gonna buy a mac purely for it!

Cheers ..

Posted by Cycloptic Pimpernel in Sunny Stoke / Huddersfield on June 8, 2003 at 10:49 AM (CDT)

My iPod Buying Experience

To the user known as ‘J.’ You should know that the smaller file sizes for WMA files are actually because of lower quality. The 64Kbps rate for WMA is indeed much lower quality than the 128 Kbps rate for MP3. Microsoft only increased the volume up 3 or so decibels on some specific frequencies, making it sound comparable to MP3 on lower quality audio systems.

Either way, AAC beats WMA, and Apple probably did not want to pay Microsoft royalties and license charges to their Windows Media format. Therefore the reason to exclude the WMA format on the iPod was actually quite logical on Apple’s part, and the smaller file sizes for the WMA format without losing quality is merely a myth.

Posted by Sraphim on June 7, 2003 at 12:21 PM (CDT)

Switching from MP3 to AAC Without Losing Your Mind

To get your iTunes library to a second Mac at work.  Just get Podworks and just load it to the second Mac from your iPod.

I keep PodWorks on the iPod and keep the iPod of “Firewire” drive use and manual.  This allows me to load any songs or playlists to any Mac when I want to without loading software to the Mac!

I was thinking of re-encoding my iTunes Library (2300 songs) to AAC at 192.  I am more interested in quality than space right now.  I have most of my MP3s at 192 and 160 now. Seems the file size is about the same for MP3 and AAC at 192.  Any thoughts out there?

Posted by Dtephen on June 6, 2003 at 3:21 PM (CDT)

Will any MP3 player ever catch Apple's iPod?

“Music Match sucks compared to the Creative software.”

It sure does, Hildy try JRiver’s Media Jukebox, has direct iPod plugin support.

Posted by dfsdfsdsdffdfsda on June 5, 2003 at 3:05 PM (CDT)

Will any MP3 player ever catch Apple's iPod?

I miss my creative jukebox for functionality, and connectivity to a PC.  Charge and sync work if you have a powered firewire line.  I had to get a powered 1394 CardBus from SIIG use my iPod with my lap top, but once that was done things went well.  Before it I kept killing the batteries while syncing with my database.  Apple needs a windows based iTunes.  I can understand why they prematurely released a windows connected iPod, but hopefully they try to keep the market by quickly releasing acceptable software.  Music Match sucks compared to the Creative software.

The iPod sure is pretty.

Arguing about platforms is weak.

Posted by hildy on June 4, 2003 at 6:25 PM (CDT)

Wishing for a play queue for iPod

i bought a 12” iBook b/c it was smaller than the 15” ti-book at the time. it came loaded with OS 10.1. a couple months later they came out with the 12” powerbook (which i would much rather have b/c of the speed and would have bought had it been out when i bought my iBook) about the same time (ok a bit earlier) they came out with OS 10.2. i may not be able to upgrade my hardware to the nice size/power of the 12” powerbook but i can certainly upgrade to 10.2 and have the equal software features. so i reiterate the question posted in this forum, why cant i do the same thing with my iPod and upgrade the software (firmware, sameish thing)? iBook and powerbook have different hardware but can both run 10.2. my ‘old’ iPod should be able to run the same software as the 3rd gen iPods. i bought my iBook with 10.1 but never planned on using that for the life of my iBook. why should i keep the same firmware features in my iPod for the life of my iPod?!!?!?!?!!?!?!?

Posted by jPod on June 3, 2003 at 2:52 PM (CDT)

Switching from MP3 to AAC Without Losing Your Mind

Ok, Ok - it looks like there are many debates about changing to AAC.  I have one question:

If I re-rip a cd to AAC format, can I then burn an MP3 CD (with like 150 songs to be played on an MP3 CD player)?

If not, I’d loose some functionality to itunes and my burner for my brother’s MP3 CD player.  What do you think?

Posted by Pancho on June 3, 2003 at 10:42 AM (CDT)

Switching from MP3 to AAC Without Losing Your Mind


can i delete songs from ipod?
also why can’t my musicmatch convert cds into mp3 files?



Posted by h.j. on June 2, 2003 at 8:01 PM (CDT)

Will any MP3 player ever catch Apple's iPod?

this is some bull shit forum, quit bitching at eachother, ipod is better on a mac because it was built for a mac by mac. everything built by microsoft is better when used with windows, now shut the fuck up about windows vs pc. this shit sposed to be about ipod. dumbshits

Posted by jeremy on June 2, 2003 at 3:30 PM (CDT)

Wishing for a play queue for iPod


Posted by Spud on June 2, 2003 at 1:12 PM (CDT)

Will any MP3 player ever catch Apple's iPod?

I am a Mac Lover, but I am also able to trouble shoot PC’s, since I own 3 of them, beta tested several Windows operating systems for Microsoft, and am a registered with MIcrosofts MSDN to receive information on testing, and new develpment tools. I use a PC on a daily basis at home, and at school. Just because I like using my iBook more then any of my PC’s doesn’t mean that I hate all PC’s all together. The PC was a Dell running a 1.7 GHz Pentium IV. The scanner was part of an all in one unit made by Epson, where the printer always worked perfectly fine, but XP recognized the device as two devices. I don’t remember the model number. As far as XP is concerned, XP is a flop compared to Windows 2000. Windows 2000 had a lot better stability then Windows XP. I never had all these problems in Windows 2000, infact, all the problems I listed with devices in XP, never existed when I was running 2000. Windows XP was a step back for MIcrosoft, all in favor of backwards compatibality. Was it worth the trade off? No. In regards to your claim about my “tentative grip on the English language…” let me point something out. The whole “you’re/your” incident is my only real problem in the whole post. If you want to split hairs over something as trivial as that, and try to twist it to make it appear as if I don’t know what I am talking about over a simple mistake, then thats fine.

Posted by Charles on June 2, 2003 at 11:54 AM (CDT)

Will any MP3 player ever catch Apple's iPod?

ok, quit using this as a bitch at eachother forum. go fight elsewhere. answer my question (two posts up).

Posted by jeremy on June 2, 2003 at 11:36 AM (CDT)

Will any MP3 player ever catch Apple's iPod?

First things first.  If you’re going to call me sad, at least get it gramatically correct.  “Anon, you’re sad” would be the correct way of doing this, rather than inferring that I own sad in some way.  I find it difficult to be offended by someone who obviously has such a tentative grip on the English language.  Now I’ve got that out of my system, on to the meat of the discussion…

It does not necessarily mean that XP is at fault just because your friend’s installation of XP won’t work properly, especially when his best source of technical support is a self-confessed Mac lover.  Windows XP, much as it pains me to say this, is actually a decent operating system.  It’s not on a par with something like Unix for stability but it’s not far off.  A properly configured system using decent peripherals produced by reliable manufacturers will have absolutely no problems at all.  Problems arise when you have ill specified systems running cheap hardware with poorly written non-WHQL certified driver sets.  Apple has never had to contend with the difficulties inherent in producing hardware for such a varied hardware base and therein lies the problem.

On a completely different tack, what’s the make/model of your friend’s scanner?  What system does he run, AMD or Intel?

Posted by Anon on June 2, 2003 at 10:29 AM (CDT)

Will any MP3 player ever catch Apple's iPod?

C’mon, Someone say something about how much better the OLD ipod is than the newer ones! I got a 10gig mac version of the older ones, and a few months later they come out with a smaller version, thats $100 cheaper, works with both (and i previously couldnt decide between getting a mac or a windows ipod) and has more games and extras. I desperately need someone to tell me that i got the better one.

Posted by jeremy on June 2, 2003 at 10:03 AM (CDT)

Will any MP3 player ever catch Apple's iPod?

Anon, you’re completely missing the point though. Albert was saying so much crap that can’t possibly be true. Yes, there was a bug with a few of the iPod’s that shippsed. A friend of mine bought one that had it. He was able to go in and trade out his iPod for a new one no questions asked. He didn’t have to pay 15% restocking fee or anything. So now, Albert is trying to tell me that he went in, and they refused to do the same. Another thing is, I know that Windows XP has problems handling certain devices. Like I’ve said before, I’ve had problems with keyboards, ethernet cards, USB drives, and scanners. Heck, my friend just bought a new Dell, and I went over and installed his scanner. The next day I get a call, and the guy is asking me why he can’t access it. I go over, and check his device manager, and the scanner was gone. I installed it again, and did a little test. I restarted the computer, and realized that Windows XP was not recognizing the scanner after a restart. I could unplug it, and plug it back in, and it still would just ask me to install the drivers all over again. I tried installing the one’s on the CD and it kept happening. I even let Windows search the internet for the right drivers, and those kept disappearing as well. You can say what you want, but when I’m seeing problems like this on whats supposed to be Microsoft’s “most reliable” OS ever built, I can’t help but feel disappointed. If the iPod doesn’t work as well on the PC, then why on earth is anyone surprised. Am I flaming? Depends on your definition of flaming. If I was saying stuff without just, or truth to what I am saying, then yes I was flaming. If I have truth to what I am saying, then I don’t think I am. I think you and Albert are both full of crap. All jokes about your intelligence, sexual preference and etc aside; I don’t see why your expierencing the iPod to work right, when Microsoft can’t nail getting their OS to remember the damn drivers to a scanner. Or has problems getting sustaining a connect with my cable modem when my iBook, and dLink base station have no problem doing the same? It’s sad. Anon, your sad.

Posted by Charles on June 2, 2003 at 9:56 AM (CDT)

Will any MP3 player ever catch Apple's iPod?

Oh the good old days of ZX or Commordore 64. I had a ZX but was jealous about the fact the com 64 could play music as the game loaded. Later the debates changed to pc or Amiga and now it is pc or Mac. I have an XP machine at work and home because it is the most commonly used system. The IPOD seems to work great with XP as long as you do unmount the drive before disconnecting. It is not so much that Apple have made a product not fit for use on a pc but more the software is not really up to the job. MusicMatch is not that good.

Posted by Robert Perkins on June 2, 2003 at 3:46 AM (CDT)

Will any MP3 player ever catch Apple's iPod?

Nice.  This Albert guy posts about problems he’s having with his ipod and one guy helps tries to help him out while the rest of you just flame him.  Frankly it’s pathetic.  The issue here isn’t about Macs and PCs, or at least it shouldn’t be.  Apple have released a product for the PC.  Thousands of other companies seem to manage this without difficulty.  Clearly Apple’s inexperience with producing hardware for the PC is showing, not unsurprising really given their single hardware platform background.  I’m a PC user (I’m sure a few of you will be unable to resist the temptation to cast aspersions about my intelligence, manhood and sexual preference based upon this…flame away) and am considering buying an ipod because I think Apple lead the field in design, form and function for mp3 players.  The trouble is, I read about all these issues that the ipod is supposed to have with windows.  Any time a PC user brings these up, he’s shouted down and told his PC is at fault, buy a Mac.  Apple should not release a product in the PC space if it isn’t going to function as intended.  PC users should not have to buy a Mac to get their Apple product working.  I’d like to see a list of issues that the ipod exhibits when working in conjunction with a PC.  Perhaps then the PC and Mac communities could work together and provide information on workarounds and suchlike rather than indulging in pre-pubescent schoolyard “my computer is better than your computer” trash talk.  I got tired of that banter twenty-five years ago when the computers in question were the ZX Spectrum and the Commodore 64.  Do things never change?  *sigh*

Posted by Anon on June 2, 2003 at 3:25 AM (CDT)

My iPod Buying Experience

Be careful of buying your IPOD at CompUSA, if it still is unopened I believe they will give you a 100% refund, but if you do open it they have to deduct 15% restocking fee. So definately think before you open this. Which I think is bogus?  How are you suppossed to try something and see if you like it.  I bought my IPOD at J and R music world.  30 day guaranteed moeny back refund through mail order.  You should ask them if they would honor the dell advertisement.  Also if you buy from APPLE directly and if you are a student they will give you $30.00 off.  The J and R warranty is 29.99 for 2 plus the APPLE’s one year.  They will repair it for you or replace it if it is unrepairable.

Posted by Jennifer on June 1, 2003 at 9:50 AM (CDT)

New iPod Reactions: Accessory Makers and an Author

any updates on this list? especially the Contour Design’s “We will announce any plans we have for new iSee products sometime in May.”...

Posted by Celina on June 1, 2003 at 2:06 AM (CDT)

Switching from MP3 to AAC Without Losing Your Mind

Yes you will loose sound quality since the file has already been encoded before.
When you create an MP3-file from an uncompressed (or compressed. doesn’t matter really) source some (let’s say 20%) of the frequencies will be gone.

If you convert an MP3 file to an AAC file another 20% will be lost.
You should never compress (ie. convert from mp3 to aac) an already compressed file (such as an mp3 file) again.

Posted by Mikael on June 1, 2003 at 12:19 AM (CDT)

Wishing for a play queue for iPod

STOP Whining you bunch of babies. Your a bunch of fair weather people. Version 2.0 won’t work with the old iPods because of hardware reasons. Also the gen 1 & 2 iPods don’t have the proper chip that will let it queue up songs. If you don’t believe me buy the new iPod and you will see they have different parts inside one if these parts is key to this feature.

You all moan and cry about something you know nothing about. Get over it $300 isn’t very much money. Did you think your iPod was going to be cutting edge forever? If you don’t like the fact that your hardware becomes obsolete everyday then DON’T BUY IT.

YOUR THE IDIOT who bought it WITHOUT a queue FEATURE in the first place. It’s nobody’s fault but your own.

Posted by C Kizer on May 31, 2003 at 11:14 PM (CDT)

New iPod Reactions: Accessory Makers and an Author

ipod shows a variety of music to my friends

Posted by revo (gard) lamotak on May 31, 2003 at 10:22 PM (CDT)

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