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Wishing for a play queue for iPod

Apple and Microsoft should be like every other company out there.  If they come out with an updated product make it just a little bit better than the old one so that the consumer has the urge to upgrade.  BUT they should also support the old products as well.  Supporting the old product should be in full and it shouldn’t make it better or equal to the new product because if it does….WHY WOULD THEIR BE A NEW PRODUCT!

Posted by MLWings on May 8, 2003 at 10:13 AM (CDT)

Wishing for a play queue for iPod

having been a pc user my whole life. i’m beginning to see a very familiar trend here from apple.  and i think everyone here knows where i’m going with this. but i’ve always been the pc guy that is in love with the apple machines and platform but because of my investments in pc software and the like it doesn’t make sense to move to a mac and incur all that cost again. so i stay on the pc.  but back in september i broke down and bought the 10GB iPod.  and i flat out LOVE it.  but if apple is going to start treating their loyal addicts like microsoft treats us.  i’d just assume keep getting in the ass from someone i’m already used to gettting it from, microsoft. i’m not disappointed or pissed at them for they way they run their business, i’m used to it.  i thougt apple was different, and thought different.  guess not.  if they aren’t going to do such basic things as update the firmware for the *ahem* old *ahem* ipods. then i sure as hell aren’t going to buy a new one no matter how hot the fire gets in my wallet to really want the 30GB (mmmmm) ipod. —- anyway that’s my two cents.

Posted by Jason in Columbus, Ohio on May 8, 2003 at 8:34 AM (CDT)

Wishing for a play queue for iPod

Of course we can’t have the benefits of the new hardware. What we want are the benefits of the updated software. Apple was able to bring AAC support to the earlier iPods. Surely it’s a simpler matter to deliver the playqueue feature.

Posted by Songdog on May 8, 2003 at 8:05 AM (CDT)

New iPod Reactions: Accessory Makers and an Author

anything from vaja cases? I was just about to get one of their beautiful ipod cases when apple went and released the new models…now i don’t know whether to get the case or a new ipod!

Posted by anon on May 8, 2003 at 4:52 AM (CDT)

Wishing for a play queue for iPod

I’ve had an iPod since the day the first ones came out (the 5GB). It recently got stolen, and i was addicted to iPods. Apple is very money hungry (releasing a new operating system every year- puma, jaguar, and now panther). But you must understand that if they make a new product, they want it to be sold. Those that have the old iPod cannot have the same features as thenew one, or nobody would buy the new one. I agree that Apple should still support the older products, but they have to make money.

Posted by Dave Luebbert in Ontario, Canada on May 7, 2003 at 9:10 PM (CDT)

My iPod Buying Experience


Ny story is quite the opposite.  I ordered mine on Friday, it shipped Saturday, and I still haven’t received it.  I hope to have it soon, though.  I’ve been waiting all week.

A quick question—do the new iPods come with software (iTunes) for Windows, or will I have to use EphPod / xPlay?

Posted by Anon in USA on May 7, 2003 at 8:56 PM (CDT)

My iPod Buying Experience

I ordered my Ipod on the day after Apple announced the new product line. I decided on the 10 gig, ordered it up, and as I decided on my method of shipping I couldn’t justify spending another few bucks on shipping just because I have the patience of a poodle. Anyway, I decided against the express shipping and according to Apple’s website they were to ship on Friday so I was expecting a week to pass before I would see anything.

As it turned out, the thing shipped a day early, Thursday and I was quite excited because I was now sure it would arrive within a week. The next day, to my surprise, the damn thing showed up. This means about 16 hours after they reported it shipped, it arrived. Ridiculously fast, never experienced anythig like it and I’m a slut so I experience a lot of things. I have no idea what the point of paying express shipping would have been, but whatever that might have been I was thrilled with Apple. Oddly enough I never plan to buy anything from them ever again unless it’s possibly a future Ipod.

Posted by Jill Magloire in Calgary, AB on May 7, 2003 at 7:00 PM (CDT)

My iPod Buying Experience

Anyone need to trade up to a 30gb iPod from the old 20 and do it free of charge. And we aint talking eBay either. A onetime charge of $50 for this information.

Posted by Pete Saybolt in Baltimore, MD on May 7, 2003 at 6:47 PM (CDT)

Wishing for a play queue for iPod

Archos Rockbox has play queues - they can’t be *that* difficult to implement. In fact, some people have pyut a lot of thought into the functionality of playlists and queues for portable players:

Posted by meehawl in San Francisco, CA on May 7, 2003 at 6:26 PM (CDT)

My iPod Buying Experience

Oh yeah,

just a small addition, just to not make it too easy :
I’ve got a 20Gb iPod and a 160Gb Raid setup on my PC ... so the fact that WMA is ‘better’ quality and smaller sizes just doesn’t matter to me.

20 Gb is plennnnty of space really, i’m an avid music listener and there’s just so much music you can listen to on one day ... i used to have to go around hauling my cd-collection with me, but since i have my iPod, i’ve been able to rejoice all of the music i was craving for by just a flick of the wrist ... i LLLLOOOOVE it :)

Posted by Oenie in Belgium on May 7, 2003 at 10:23 AM (CDT)

My iPod Buying Experience

Well ... to be honest ... i can kinda understand that Apple doesn’t feel much for adding WMA support ...

Seeing that WMA is a Microsoft-introduced encoding format ... can’t blame em ...

And if AAC is there for Mac, that’s even more comprehensible ...

I’m just asking myself, are there any people USING that WMA anywayz ? Never ever used it or thought about using it. I’m quite sure Apple likes to sell a lot of iPods, one more or less won’t count to them.
If they have to put all their energy in trying to get people to switch, just by selling them iPods, i’m sure that’s gonna take them a whole lopt of time.
I for one am not intending to do so, although i really like my iPod (except for the lack of on-the-go playlist support, but i’m not gonna start that whining on this playlist also *lol*)

Anyway, to cut a long crappy story short : they can’t and won’t do everything to convince everybody ... support Creative i guess , i’ll stick to my groove, sexy iPod *yummy* :)

Posted by Oenie in Belgium on May 7, 2003 at 10:20 AM (CDT)

My iPod Buying Experience

Why no WMA support?

I thought this was on the cards.

There’s no way I’m going to convert my 10GBs of WMAs into over 20GB of unwieldy MP3s just because Apple are too bloody-minded to support the default Windows file format (and the one that produces the smallest files).

So no iPod for me, again. This time


Posted by J. in UK on May 7, 2003 at 9:57 AM (CDT)

Wishing for a play queue for iPod


I believe i read somewhere on the site (or maybe that they had tried, but didn’t prevail at upgrading a 1st or 2nd gen iPod with the new firmware ... so until they release firmware upgrades with some of the options for the older iPods, i’m sure it’s not gonna happen for people like us :)

Posted by Oenie in Belgium on May 7, 2003 at 3:04 AM (CDT)

Wishing for a play queue for iPod

does anyone have 2 ipods…??

I was just curious to see what happens if you mount them both, wipe the rev 1 or 2 and duplicate the rev 3 drive onto it…

I guess the new features are locked out by the serial numbers but its worth a shot!

Posted by Oliver in Japan on May 6, 2003 at 10:25 PM (CDT)

New iPod Reactions: Accessory Makers and an Author

very ncie article and good answers all round

Posted by Fusen in UK on May 6, 2003 at 3:43 PM (CDT)

My iPod Buying Experience

Regarding encoding; I thought MP3 encoding in iTunes was awful.  I ripped all my CDs at 192 kbps and was very disappointed.  So I re-ripped everything using LAME alt-preset-extreme (about 256 kbps VBR).  Much, much better.  BUT: s-l-o-w encoding, and big file sizes.

Now we have AAC.  Is it better?  Is it worse?  I planned to find out.  I ripped a CD I had previously ripped using LAME extreme (Bruce Springsteen - The Rising) using AAC 128 in iTunes.  Then I tested the results against my LAME encodes.  I cannot tell a difference.  Honestly.  I’m trying, I really am.  I don’t have a $20,000 sound system, but I have decent headphones, and I’m doing a blind test in QuickTime, toggling back and forth on simultaneously-playing identical tracks.

I also did a blind test between a track I ripped from CD using LAME extreme vs. the identical track I purchased from the iTunes Music Store.  Again, I cannot perceive a difference.  I wish more folks would attempt these tests and share their results.

If I can’t tell the difference, I’m going to re-rip everything in AAC.  Fortunately, AAC encoding is *much* faster than Lame on my dual G4 867.

Posted by Chris on May 6, 2003 at 2:52 PM (CDT)

My iPod Buying Experience

I purchased the new 15 GB iPod the night that it was released off of the Apple website and received it last Friday.

I installed it on both my PC laptop and my Powerbook G4 and it works seamlessly.  My only complaint is that with the 4-pin firewire connection to my PC laptop, I can’t have it charge at the same time as I could with my Powerbook.

Posted by kevin in Ottawa, Ontario on May 6, 2003 at 2:01 PM (CDT)

My iPod Buying Experience

Can’t say i could agree on the fact that MM wouldn’t work ...

I’ve installed it a couple of times already, and it worked fine for me. I remember that last time i installed it (a couple of days ago) i had to download the plugin, but it wouldn’t install because ‘iPod software is still running’ although i had my iPod disconnected from the PC.

It turned out that i just had to shut down MM, run the downloaded plugin, let it do it’s job, restart MM and it recognized it.

My only complaint about MM is that it’s so slow at detecting my 20 Gb iPod (with about 3400 songs, maybe that’s the trouble) ...
I’m using MM only to rip my cds anywayz, i like XPlay a lot better ! And faster ...

And i NEVER understood that ‘Volume Levelling’ thing in MM ... if i understand it correctly , they have to go through my ENTIRE collection to be added , reencode them and then put them on the iPod or what ? :) Maybe i just don’t get, the miserable fat belgian b*stard that i am :p

And hey ... i don’t really care about all this ‘ooh, my format is way better’ hassle ... isn’t it all just a matter of ‘What i hear sounds pleasant enough to my ears’ ? I mean, i’m not gonna rerip all my cd’s EVERY time some new so-called superior music-encoding-algo comes out , let along trash all my existing mp3 cds and burnin’ them again (or on DVD for that matter)

Posted by Oenie in Belgium on May 6, 2003 at 10:28 AM (CDT)

Wishing for a play queue for iPod

Hmmm ... so you mean that you actually have to make your playlist BEFORE you can listen to it ?
I mean i can’t add any more songs while the iPod is playing the current playlist on the go ?
That would be kinda silly, still i’d like to have it on my old iPod thank you ;)

>The downside to the “On The Go” playlist on the new iPods is that it is cleared every time you sync to your computer

The fact that the playlist-on-the-go would be cleared when i connect it to the computer, i don’t really care.
I mean, what’s the use of the playlist staying on there if you’re behind the pc ... you’re not on to go so you could easily put a new one together while you’re at it ...

As i’m thinking about it, the actual behaviour (or as close as possible) would be a playlist/queue that automatically deleted the entry last played :)
But maybe that’s even a bit too much asked ... and   maybe not really that good since i’ve seen moments where i have to take off my headphones to listen to somebody asking me something, wanting to hear a certain song that might have passed by already, just to notice that it had been removed ...

Still ... gimme gimme gimme ... a new ‘old’ iPod update after midnight , preferably before even !!

Posted by Oenie in Belgium on May 6, 2003 at 10:16 AM (CDT)

My iPod Buying Experience

MP3PRO is NOT the best format. It does a good job on HIGHLY compressed cases (ie 64kbps is about as good as 96kbps MP3). Needless to say both of those are extremely noisy and unpleasant.

AAC 128 is OK, but just marginally better then 128 MP3. Neither of which I would listen to.

MP3 256 and up (AAC 256 also) is somewhere where quality starts.

Please be considerate and rip at higher standards.

Posted by pbox on May 6, 2003 at 10:16 AM (CDT)

Wishing for a play queue for iPod

Well, I’ve been discussing this elsewhere (my site, another thread) but I wanted to put my two cents in here: Mike makes a good point, and users of new iPods should care [almost] as much as those of us with older models about Apple bringing playqueuing to the masses. Sure my iPod is great without it, but it’s such an obvious oversight (as many have said since the beginning). Giving it to us would have given the iPod community major warm fuzzies. Omitting it from 1.3 instead makes for bad blood. It’s a software feature. Try and fit it in, Apple.

Posted by Songdog on May 6, 2003 at 10:13 AM (CDT)

Wishing for a play queue for iPod

Another downisde to the “On The Go” playlist is that it isn’t a queue at all.  It’s a playlist just like all of your other playlists.

You build your OTG playlist differently—you do it on the iPod instead of your computer.

You use your OTG playlist EXACTLY THE SAME as every other playlist.  Listen to it all or manually change the music.

OTG is not a queue.  iPods still don’t have a queue. 

I will mention this to my friends who talk to me about “which MP3 player should I buy, Kurt?”  I’ll mention that they can save $150 and get double the capacity AND a queue with one of the Creative players. 

Sure, I’ll tell ‘em that my iPod RULES, because it does… but a working playqueue IS a selling point, I don’t care what Apple’s marketing dept. says…

Posted by c.c.r. in Seattle, WA on May 6, 2003 at 9:03 AM (CDT)

My iPod Buying Experience

Just got the 30GB iPod which BestBuy upgraded me to from the 20GB which had a defective equalizer. And they did it one day before even Apple sold the new units.

Yes…it is smaller, lighter and sleeker. But that means Ive got to wait till Xtreme Mac does a new case.

My Comments: mainly the controls too too too sensitive…much moreso than the older ipods…and this is my 5th unit. The sleep timer is gone in favor of an instantant on off sleep timer.

And yes I have to use it on a PC. But have used Music Match for years. Their implementation for the iPod requires the patientce of Job…...but finally learned to use it successfully. And of course, you can record in mp3Pro which is still the best format till AAC is fully implemented.

If you have problems with MM on the PC you can email me.

Posted by Pete Saybolt in Baltimore, MD on May 6, 2003 at 6:17 AM (CDT)

iPods for Windows: It's a good thing?

Apple is much smarter than that… they know that there will always be a large group of users that will never switch to mac.  The main issue here is selling iPods.  By offering their product into windows users, they increase their potential customers 10-fold, and in order to get windows users to seriously consider the purchase, they must offer at least what the competition does, USB 2.0 for example.  Apple knows that by only offering full features and support to mac users will not help to sell product to windows users.  Apple already has mastered something most other computer hardware manufacturers haven’t: industrial design.  Apple’s computers and the iPod especially are a pleasure to look at.  They are clean, elegant, and functional.  However, to most people, that is not always enough to convince them to make the purchase—just take a look at the number of ugly gray windows boxes compared to the number of macs.  Apple has made a smart business move by promising USB 2.0 support and iTunes Music Store for windows.

In the future, I see this move as opening some windows users up to the idea of switching to a mac, based on what they see of Apple’s products from the iPod.  I myself have been a windows user all my life, and am saving up money for a 3rd generation 15 GB iPod.  If windows support was anything less than mac support for the iPod, there’s no way I would have made the decision, and I’m sure many others would agree with me.  I know apple is always trying to sell more of all of their products, but they know they will benefit more in the long run if they throw out treats like the iPod to windows users and wait for them to switch.  Rather than say “If you switch to mac, you can play with this cool iPod” when there are already comparable alternatives available to windows users, apple is saying “Look at this iPod, isnt it cool?  Come take a look at our computers if you like it.  You can even use that very same iPod on a mac!”

Posted by Andrew in Michigan on May 5, 2003 at 11:28 PM (CDT)

Wishing for a play queue for iPod

The downside to the “On The Go” playlist on the new iPods is that it is cleared every time you sync to your computer.


Posted by Craig in San Diego, CA on May 5, 2003 at 11:45 AM (CDT)

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