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Backstage: Leander on iSkin v. Lajo

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By Jeremy Horwitz

Editor-in-Chief, iLounge
Published: Wednesday, July 28, 2004
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picEvery once in a long time, this subject comes up only obliquely in a silicone case review. This isn’t because I don’t know the story well enough to tell it more fully; it’s part of iLounge’s history, but something Dennis prefers not to discuss on the main site. It’s one of two or three rare subjects that will instantly make his blood boil. He’s fiercely protective of the site, hates spam in the forums, and is entirely justified in feeling that the situation got way out of hand before. The last thing he wants is a repeat occurrence.

Anyway, it’s nice to see the story get a more public airing. As a fan of both companies’ products, and a fan of (fair) competition in general, I’d personally like to see the dispute resolved on all sides. This particular past situation has inhibited iLounge’s collective willingness to take some bold and positive actions that would benefit all iPod accessory makers, and since I remain optimistic that such actions are still possible, I’m holding my breath for a mutually satisfactory, meaningful resolution.

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1

Ah, interesting in deed.  This is a nice little post.  I have to agree though.  I was happy to see when ####’s products were being reviewed shortly after the huge incident(s) that they were given fair treatment, etc.  smile

Posted by JBF on July 28, 2004 at 10:32 AM (PDT)

2

#### makes good products and 10 times more than iSkin. They have like 4 ipod products. #### has over 20 and over 35 different colors.

Posted by Coolpepper43 on July 28, 2004 at 11:40 AM (PDT)

3

Both companies make good, and now different products. iSkin’s line is easy-to-understand, but limited in choices. ####’s line is more comprehensive, but far more difficult to understand for the average person, and certain items (screen protectors for the mini, certain belt clips, etc) were or are difficult to actually obtain once “released.”

The skins I personally use on my own iPods right now are ####’s, for two main reasons: Click Wheel protection and entirely soft screen protection. I also like the exoflp line, and would like to see #### go for a exoflp plus thin top version compatible with the 4G.

That said, I think iSkin’s new screen protectors are awesome, and they’ve been steadily improving the look and grip of their cases, plus they have the thin tops, and “the complete package” when you order.

Any product I review will receive fair treatment, regardless of who it comes from (big company, small company, etc) and many other “political” factors that aren’t relevant to the review. I may choose not to review certain products on occasion, and may not always make everyone (or the product’s maker) happy with the review, but fairness and honesty are and will remain my top goals.

Posted by Jeremy Horwitz on July 28, 2004 at 12:18 PM (PDT)

4

I was wondering what the deal was with #### and iSkin. I read through the forum thread linked to in the article, and all I can say is that I wish iPodloungers would chill out a bit!

Posted by Dr. Webster on July 28, 2004 at 4:16 PM (PDT)

5

That Wired article is totally once sided. The only side that talked was iSkin. So the story was told only by one of the two involved people.

Posted by Coolpepper43 on July 28, 2004 at 8:18 PM (PDT)

6

On the contrary, both sides were quoted, as were two third parties (Dennis, and a distributor).

Cymbalski wrote: “I supplied him with all of my products for over a year and when (iSkin’s) Andrew ... came out with his first product ... I asked what was my price. Andrew replied that he could not supply me because my distributors might cause confusion with his distributors. I replied fine, and that was the end of it. So now we are separate companies.”

Posted by Jerrod H. in TX on July 29, 2004 at 6:56 AM (PDT)

7

I tried both ISkin’s Evo and the #### Exo2, and the ISkin product fitted a whole lot better.

However, I’ve noticed ISkin’s new screen protector (w/ soft tips) has left tiny scratches on all for corners of the screen.

At the moment, I’m just using the #### zipcase, which is fine.

Posted by Dekunut on July 29, 2004 at 7:36 AM (PDT)

8

I just wish that Denis would put aside his personal “problem” with #### and have #### products represented here like anyone else’s.  I acknowledge to some extent this does occur (eg in reviews and new release news), but banning #### from advertising and not including #### in the list of manufacturers invited to comment on the 4gen iPod smacks of ‘cutting off your nose to spite your face’

Surely Denis is mature enough to separate #### - the person from #### - the manufacturing company.

Posted by Piquet on July 30, 2004 at 12:57 AM (PDT)

9

So what are the key differences in ####’s and iSkin’s current line up?

Posted by The Dude. on July 30, 2004 at 3:24 AM (PDT)

10

“I just wish that Denis would put aside his personal ‘problem’ with #### and have #### products represented here like anyone else’s.”

“Personal problem”? #### abused their privileges here. They were advertising in the forums (against the rules) and publishing fake comments under other names (also against the rules). Even worse, those pseudonymous comments were criticisms of their competition.

I help run some other forums, and the only way to ensure that vendors don’t break these rules is to punish them for doing so.

Posted by audio geek on July 30, 2004 at 6:53 AM (PDT)

11

I think the punishement meted out by Dennis is appropriate.  The measures taken by ####, regardless of who caused the split between he and Ackloo, is completely unacceptable. It provided him a way to slander the competition without being harmed in the process, while Ackloo’s method of cutting off supply of his products could have resulted in that particular distributor just saying, “Ok, we won’t sell your product”.  This would have been GOOD for ####.

Posted by Lindan in Las Vegas on July 30, 2004 at 6:04 PM (PDT)

12

As a new lounge member, I have come in, in the middle.  Is there any way to just list who makes what (iskin, ####, xskin,?)?  Not for any brands benifit, but for the benifit of newer Ipod owners, like myself, and all ipod owners , as consumers.  The names of the actual products from these companies, are so close and/or overlapped that we, the consumers are the real losers. Any help would be appreciated, either here in the forum, or directed to me thru the lounge to my e-mail.

Posted by hogdoc in Boston on August 11, 2004 at 2:02 PM (PDT)

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