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Adobe to sue Apple over Flash exclusion?

Adobe may be preparing to file a lawsuit against Apple over its refusal to allow Flash to run on its iPhone OS devices, and its recent decision to ban apps from the App Store created using cross-compilers such as Adobe’s Packager for iPhone OS, which debuted with Flash CS5. Citing source close to Adobe, IT World reports that the App Store policy change was the “last straw” for Adobe, despite the company’s refusal to talk about possible legal action. “We are aware of the new SDK language and are looking into it,” said Adobe spokesperson Wiebke Lips. “We continue to develop our Packager for iPhone OS technology, which we plan to debut in Flash CS5.” Adobe released Flash CS5 on April 12.

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I for one am happy that adobe is taking this stance… though futile it may be, I’m tired of Apple thinking they KNOW whats best for them.

As for what Paul had to say… i say its SAD at the most extreme that people accept a 1 year life, for a product that should last 5+.

Paul, and the rest of use have succumb to the consumerist world of PLANNED OBSOLESCENCE!

I for one am SICK of it!

Demand more! and you’ll get it… stop accept this crap. They can do better. WAY better. and they will if we give them a reason to.

Posted by Chris on April 13, 2010 at 1:42 PM (CDT)


that is so stupid! Adobe cries because a manufacturer don’t want to modify their software so that abobes flash will work on it?

Common now guys! I’m a IT guru and used to develope Flash sites in all kind of forms. I agree that Flash is a nice function but it is slow as heck.

HTML5 is way faster and does not need to have all the resources like flash.

Now Adobe is crying bout it>>> why???

Posted by dennis on April 13, 2010 at 2:29 PM (CDT)


This almost sounds like some kind of playground ‘friendship spat.’

(A Dobey finds his friend Mac on the playground)

Dobey: Hey Mac, how you doing?

Mac: Um, pretty good.

Dobey: Boy, I can’t wait to come to your next party!

Mac: Yeah…um, Dobey? We’re not friends anymore.

Dobey: Why not?

Mac: Because…I just don’t like you anymore.

Posted by Mike H. on April 13, 2010 at 3:52 PM (CDT)


Dennis, you got it wrong. Apple just announced iPhone SDK change which prohibits any application developped by cross-compiler tools like Adobe Flash CS5. Which means, any iPhone apps (instead of Flash itself) created by non-Apple specified development tools will be banned when sumbitted to Apple’s App Store.

Posted by dorway on April 13, 2010 at 6:28 PM (CDT)


I’m not exactly sure what Apple is doing here. What is to be accomplished by not just seeking and courting but, rather, outright demanding developer loyalty? Oh, I’m sorry, did you want to make your basic but cool app work on everybody’s portable platform? NO! We are the great fruit and thou shall have no other platforms, fruity or otherwise, before us, dammit!

It’s a bold, brash move that, if it works, will put the bullies that much further ahead of the “upstarts”, but if it backfires it is going to cost Apple in more ways than one. Code is code, and if somebody can write a functional iPhone OS app in Notepad and then compile it, why is that any of Apple’s business? It goes way beyond them trying to control the user experience with their “our sandbox, our way” business model. Instead, it’s a very dick move with them declaring if you want to develop for the current favorite mobile OS that you will have to devote if not all, certainly a major percentage of your time and money to that mobile OS and anything else you might want to do with your project is going to incur you time and money expenses “just because” we’re Apple and we can force you to…

Posted by Code Monkey on April 13, 2010 at 11:00 PM (CDT)


I love Apple products a lot, but Apple is really getting much too restrictive in their apps. Sure Flash has problems, sure Apple has a “right” to restrict apps. But the policies are too inconsistent and keeps changing. What happened to the Google Voice? Sure Google pissed off Apple, but should they do the same with Adobe? Without Photoshop and the like, would there be a Mac? If Apple don’t work with the s/w vendors, there may no longer be Apple. Steve must loosen up on his policy and work these issues out. If the s/w has issues, people will not use it or complain and the the developer will improve it. I’m sure Intel and NVidia bends over backwards and works with Apple.


Posted by Al from NY on April 13, 2010 at 11:35 PM (CDT)


@6 - The difference with Intel or NVidia is that these companies control huge shares of resources that Apple *needs*. Apple simply cannot exist as a company without the willingness of these companies to invest considerable resources in customizing products for Apple. The brilliant evil of pulling this move now is that, currently, there is no Photoshop or Word grade 3rd party app on the iPhone OS. If continued, this move will ensure that if/when such “must have” 3rd party apps emerge that they will be playing by Apple’s rules entirely (and continually paying into Apple’s developer licensing).

Adobe isn’t going to stop cross development of Photoshop or Illustrator for the Mac. Apple isn’t depending on the professional market anymore for their liquidity so Adobe pulling support would cost them millions while barely scratching Apple. Apple is in the advantage here.

I also realized a major part of this is probably basic bean counting. Since Apple insists on personally approving each and every app that is available for the OS, by forcing all apps through the SDK, Apple can prevent the vast majority of unauthorized APIs and other “nefarious” developer actions automatically as well as giving their in-house projects an automatic advantage over 3rd party projects. Once source code is verified as SDK compliant, most of the approval process is done.

Posted by Code Monkey on April 14, 2010 at 9:01 AM (CDT)

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