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Apple asked Sony for iTunes partnership?

“Apple Computer Chief Executive Officer Steve Jobs offered Nobuyuki Idei, chairman and group CEO of Sony, the chance for Sony to come aboard Apple’s ITunes Music Store service, the Nikkei Sangyo Shimbun newspaper reports in its September 2 edition.

The offer would have allowed for joint operation of the service, the newspaper says.”

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no name said, “can real songs be played on winamp(or other players)?”

Yes, I do it all the time. Ever heard of plugins??? You don’t have to have the Real Player installed to play Real content… just the codecs. In fact, I play all my unprotected AAC rips from iTunes in Winamp all the time… again it’s a plugin.

Posted by dede on September 5, 2004 at 2:00 AM (CDT)

22

Some peeps have lost the original point, the offer to Sony…

Let’s be honest, Sony will soon be Apple’s biggest competetor in the portable .mp3 player market. But Sony has it’s own proprietary protected format called ATRAC. I’m sure Sony asked Apple to add ATRAC to the iPod (just as Apple asked Sony to add fairplay AAC) and Jobs said, “no way.” So no suprise Sony told them “no.”

Posted by bob on September 5, 2004 at 2:14 AM (CDT)

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“can real songs be played on winamp(or other players)?”

Thereare two free open-source players that will play *all* audio and video formats you might hae, including Real and AAC (b0oth regular and protected):

VideoLAN

Media Player Classic

Posted by other players on September 5, 2004 at 8:05 AM (CDT)

24

you cant play songs you bought from the real store in winamp..

and i thought you either had to have real installed or real alternative to play real files

Posted by no name #2 on September 5, 2004 at 8:57 AM (CDT)

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no name said, “can real songs be played on winamp(or other players)?”

Yes, I do it all the time. Ever heard of plugins??? You don’t have to have the Real Player installed to play Real content… just the codecs. In fact, I play all my unprotected AAC rips from iTunes in Winamp all the time… again it’s a plugin.

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and how is that different from real making a program to allow their music to play on ipod?

real didnt make the plugin to allow it to play on winamp, so how can they expect apple to do all the work so they can make money

its not that they asked that pisses me off, its their ‘sore loser’ attitude they had after they were denied that pisses me off

its not apples fault real made an inferior product

Posted by no name #2 on September 5, 2004 at 9:10 AM (CDT)

26

Why can’t these companies use one standard format that will work on all players and make us choose the best player and store? To play these ego based games with formats is silly and hurts the customer.

If Sony,Walmart,Apple,Napster,MM,Real…if they all used mp3 then it would come down to customer service,quality of the offered players…selection…the things that really matter.

In this situation…I would still use itunes 90% of the time.  but there are holes in itunes that can be filled in by walmart,napster,etc and it would be nice to have that option.

So now,instead of using walmart or napster..which the record co. want..I have to use p2p to find what is not offered in itunes.

I am done buying cd’s. Single tracks is the way to go.

Posted by meume on September 5, 2004 at 12:13 PM (CDT)

27

mikey: “As long as Sony content is not available to iTunes users”

Funny that I can access Sony music on iTunes, not sure about how much of their catalogue is, see http://phobos.apple.com/WebObjects/MZStore.woa/wa/viewArtist?artistId=659158 for one and i found some more

Posted by bob on September 5, 2004 at 3:12 PM (CDT)

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alden: :No one will ever get any contracts with the big record companies if they sell tracks online in an unprotected format. They see that as just asking for people to go and put their freshly bought tracks onto p2p networks, which undercuts their whole affinity to selling harder to share files at a lower cost than CDs.”

While i do agree with what you say, I don’t think the record companies are right here. If a person uses p2p then why would they *buy* music online, when they can get it for free? why would someone buy a song and share it with anyone, maybe its just me but I have a buy it yourself, i did attitude.

And the protection is easy to bypass anyway (the old burn to cd, rip from cd method, which Microsoft is telling people to do on their new music website so they can listed to msn music on their iPod) so really I don’t see a strong case for protected files, the record companies are just trying to cling on to some of the control, which really they lost years ago when people started using mp3.

Posted by bob on September 5, 2004 at 3:21 PM (CDT)

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“I am done buying cd’s. Single tracks [are] the way to go.” - meume

Why even bother with iTunes when I’m sure you’ll find all your favorite songs on this cd.

Posted by noname #3 on September 5, 2004 at 4:42 PM (CDT)

30

full link since the one above does not seem to work:

http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg/detail/-/B0001IW2VG/qid=1094423754/sr=1-2/ref=sr_1_2/002-8495308-6917600?v=glance&s=music

Posted by noname #3 on September 5, 2004 at 4:46 PM (CDT)

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It seems to be that no one here took a hard look at an emerging competitor. Does Microsoft ring a bell. Apple WILL have to partner with another big player if it is to withstand the Redmond onslaught.  It may not be in the coming weeks that Apple is pressurized out of the market but it will eventually come. Remember the OS and the browser wars?

Posted by hhvuong on September 6, 2004 at 9:26 AM (CDT)

32

Why can’t these companies use one standard format that will work on all players and make us choose the best player and store?

i dont know, why cant i play gamecube games on the playstation 2?

Posted by no name #2 on September 6, 2004 at 2:33 PM (CDT)

33

Who cares.. Bill Gates is still gay. Poor guy.

Posted by Rick on September 6, 2004 at 11:09 PM (CDT)

34

If there is an universal DRM for every music store, I prefer it to be Apple’s FairPlay.

Why? Because it is the weakest DRM I have seen. :p
Apple’s engineers (who responsible for FiarPlay silly design) may be dumb (I hope they are the different team that design Mac OS security), but thier supidity is more than welcome in the consumer point of view.

You can strip out FairPlay DRM losslessly (unlike the lossy method; burn to CD and rerip)
These two softwares list below is for removing DRM form iTMS songs.

iFree
http://www.ifreesoft.com/

Hymn
http://hymn-project.org/

Posted by StoneRoses on September 7, 2004 at 2:27 AM (CDT)

35

how do you know that its the weakest?

and not the only one good enough for people to buy, and therefore the only one people have attempted to break

besides… i doubt many people who were willing to do the job would find it worthwhile, since they dont want to buy the songs in the firstplace… and i dont think anybody wants to use wma format… period

Posted by bye bye badman on September 7, 2004 at 3:07 AM (CDT)

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But wait, if Apple doesn’t own AAC (I know they don’t just stick with me for a second) how is it that they can keep their FairPlay technology a secret from the true owners of AAC? I know for a fact they couldn’t do that with OGG because any change to the encoder would have to be put out as source code (the major reason that OGG has no adoption). Open-source is a double edge sword, it helps a lot of people who like to learn to program, but the program made in it will never really become more than a cult thing due to the (not) restrictive licensing making it not good for companies. Would YOU like to have to put the ENTIRE text of the GPL into your legal page?

Posted by Snake on September 7, 2004 at 10:06 AM (CDT)

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“I know for a fact they couldn’t do that with OGG because any change to the encoder would have to be put out as source code”

No that’s not true. You can *wrap* an Ogg Vorbis (like any other compiled music container format”  within a proprietary binary that enabled DRM. FairPlay is not tied to AAC - Apple could extend it to Ogg, WMA, or even MP3 if they wished.

Now if you were releasing software that encoded as AAC *and* protected as FairPlay then you would have to obey the GPL.

Posted by doofoo on September 7, 2004 at 3:37 PM (CDT)

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