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Apple files suit against Creative Technology

Following Creative Technology’s announcement on Monday that it is suing Apple for patent infringement, Bloomberg News is reporting that the iPod maker also filed suit against Creative the same day. Apple claims that Creative infringes on four digital music player patents it owns. The suit was filed in a Wisconsin District Court. As reported earlier this week, Creative is suing Apple, alleging that the iPod’s interface is infringing on the company’s “Zen Patent.” It is has also filed a complaint with the U.S. International Trade Commission seeking an order to block imports of the iPod from China.

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Guys/Gals, keep in mind the date of the Apple suit was May 15, the same day as Creative’s.

So this was not a quick response to Creative’s action. Both companies have been working on it for a while I’m sure.

Posted by Lone on May 19, 2006 at 9:29 AM (CDT)


Just like how Apple was prepared for the Intel transition for at least 5 years, maybe they had this lawsuit on hold just in case Creative tried something as dumb as this.

I’m sorry, but I feel absolutely NO sympathy for Creative. I hope Apple buries them, NOT because I’m an Apple fanboy (I’m not), but because of Creative’s business practices. Constantly bad-mouthing Apple and the iPod and after FINALLY realizing that they had no hope of competing with them head to head based on superior products, they resorted to name-calling and lawsuits.

Shame on them. Maybe they should just change their name from Creative to…


Proof that grown men and the companies they run never truly grow up!

Posted by ahMEmon on May 19, 2006 at 9:55 AM (CDT)


Let’s see if Creative fires back with another lawsuit about Apple using the “Nano” name.  Who wants to bet all of these lawsuits will cancel eachother out?  The only thing they will accomplish is make a few lawyers richer.

Reading the comments about Apple’s “superior” product I hope you folks are referring to iTunes, because Apple has been losing the iPod Vs. Vision:M battles on almost every front.

And comparing the comments on this news post to the one on Creative’s suit, it’s funny to see how the opinions change when it’s Apple being the bully.

Posted by Chahk on May 19, 2006 at 10:38 AM (CDT)


Steve, Joe,

Did you NOT see the “happy face” in xsst4’s post?

The happy face means he/she was JOKING!!!

Posted by Stymyx on May 19, 2006 at 10:42 AM (CDT)


Due to the failed policies of Sim’s at Creative; everything from too many players, to sub-standard players, to wildly spending on advertising dollars in the hope of eclipsing iPod, Sim has elected to sue iPod. OK, I say that Steve and Apple have every right to countersue and stick it to Creative. Hr.Hoo: “live by the sword…die by the sword.”

Posted by Jeff Slater on May 19, 2006 at 10:56 AM (CDT)


There are few things uglier than a sore loser… 

... apart from companies that file retrospective patents on ideas they never invented themselves.

Posted by Mothra on May 19, 2006 at 10:59 AM (CDT)


the ZVM can rot in a landfill for all I care… one of the above posters said, this isn’t about the ipod vs. ZVM anyways…’s about the irresponsible business practices of Creative.

The ZVM may well indeed be a hit, but Creative is still floundering and this latest frivalous lawsuit isn’t going to do a damn thing to help their financial picture.

Posted by Huskerz85 on May 19, 2006 at 11:00 AM (CDT)


#26 (Jeff)  I agree with you there.  I just looked at Creatives website (for the first time ever).  They’ve got dozens of different models, which puts most consumers off.

Another point I just thought of… why are neither company suing Archos, who make players that yet again use the same drill-down menu system as the iPod and the Zen?

The answer can only be because Archos own even less of the market than Creative, proving that this is a case of sour grapes, rather than any real argument over intellectual property.

Posted by Mothra on May 19, 2006 at 11:04 AM (CDT)


We all know that the iPod is not the hands-down BEST Digital Audio Player (Sony’s DAP actually are quite good), but no other can match the iPod’s ease of use, iTunes, music store integration and plain ole cool factor.

The iPod and iTunes are the BEST overall DAP package. period.

Posted by ahMEmon on May 19, 2006 at 11:28 AM (CDT)


“Reading the comments about Apple’s superior product I hope you folks are referring to iTunes, because Apple has been losing the iPod Vs. Vision:M battles on almost every front.”

Well first, iTunes is an integral part of the iPod experience, it has to be included in any comparision to the Vision:M. But aside from that, on what front does the Vision:M wins? The FM tuner? Video codecs? That`s about it.

The Vision:M loses in one of the most important area, the physical interface. It crappy touch-sensitive buttons that Apple abandoned for a reason…People hate them.

Posted by vtwin on May 19, 2006 at 11:35 AM (CDT)


Actually, the buttons are tactile, no longer touch sensitive. The strip is and the click wheel on the iPod is preferable though not by a lot. However, the ZVM has it over on the iPod in terms of, as mentioned, FM tuner and video codecs. Even more importantly it has better video quality, battery life (both audio and, especially, video), sound options and, most important of all, sound quality. Next to the Rio Karma, it is the best player I have ever owned. Now, don’t get me wrong, I have an iPod and I love it. As for the best package? Hmm. How about eMusic, ZVM and drag ‘n’ drop. There, trumped iPod.

Posted by Mark on May 19, 2006 at 12:19 PM (CDT)


Drag and drop, in which way is that superior? It’s a primitive function, and managing your (60gb+) music collection is not exactly easy. Make smart playlists, and auto sync those over, same results (music you want to listen to) and you don’t actually need to do anything.

Don’t like that? Then use manual sync, or one of the many 3rd party softwares that do enable drag and drop ‘features’...although you’d be hard pushed to call the most basic file moving capability a feature, but whatever you like, iPod does it…That’s the beauty of it, because they are so popular, people make LOTS of software for it…

Posted by silver_haze20 on May 19, 2006 at 1:40 PM (CDT)


In terms of audio quality the best portable out there is a Sony MiniDisc.  The problem is that it is not a “true” DAP and even w/ Hi-MD (1GB per disk), I’d need to carry the player AND about 20 disks to match what I have on my 5G.  What I’m trying to say is that people have different criteria to define “best”, and for many people that can be something as simple as portability, which is why the Nano is such a big hit.

Posted by Jess on May 19, 2006 at 3:50 PM (CDT)


if this discussion was on a creative forum, it would be the excact opposite. both companies are just trying to survive in the corporate world.

Posted by qwer on May 19, 2006 at 4:10 PM (CDT)


can someone tell me what exactly apple is suing creative over??

You’re all arguing blind… this is some of the least constructive comments ive ever read on the net.

Posted by Bryan on May 20, 2006 at 10:34 PM (CDT)


Obviously people on here are big fans of the ipod (and the ipod is a far superior product—Creative sucks), but the bias shown towards Apple in this dispute with Creative is ridiculous.

The fact of the matter is this— Just because a company is better and has a great product does not mean that they did not infringe somebody else’s patent (just like just because somebody is talented doesn’t mean they don’t steal the work of someone less talented—in fact, George Harrison was successfully sued for copyright infingement because he took a tune from another who obviously wasn’t nearly the musician that Harrison was).

If Creative’s lawsuit is completely unfounded it will be thrown out (the same applies to Apple’s counterclaims.  Most likely, it is not clear who legally is correct at this stage in the case. 

If Creative is wrong, disparage them then, but if they are right (and nobody on here knows, you are all just making assumptions), how can you criticize them for seeking legal redress?  Sure, legal action may be a response to losing the market place battle, but that is just the point: if Apple is infringing, they have that huge market share in part BECAUSE they infringed Creative’s patent.

Posted by blablabla on May 20, 2006 at 10:40 PM (CDT)


Sincerely, i hope apple buries creative, b*** them and SUE them till they lose even more than wad they had lost in the 3rd quarter…Amen

Posted by apple-fan on May 22, 2006 at 1:07 AM (CDT)


to the apple fans - buy a creative mp3 player, download some music, drag n drop into the player, plug the damn earphones into ure ears, shut up, and enjoy the sound quality. 

Try it for yourselves and dont just hearsay’....

And oh yes, try switching ure ipod into another itunes program from another computer and see how all the confusing shit happens…

i really dont knw what so good about the ipod, in terms of sound & video quality, as compared with Zen.. seriously..WAT? okay, their advertisements rock…. but thats about it i guess? I used to be a big fan of ipod until i used Zen..

Posted by Zen-ipod-user on July 13, 2006 at 2:37 AM (CDT)

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