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Apple’s Steve Jobs calls family of teen killed for iPod

In a phone call to the father of the 15-year-old boy who was fatally stabbed over his iPod last week in Brooklyn, Apple CEO Steve Jobs conveyed his sympathies and told the man not to hesitate to ask if there was anything Jobs could do for him.

“I didn’t know who he was,” Errol Rose, father of the slain Christopher Rose, told The New York Times. “He called me on my cellphone, at 4 maybe. Or maybe it was 5.”

“He told me that he understood my pain,” Rose said. “He told me if there is anything—anything—he could do, to not be afraid to call him. It really lightened me a bit. Some people talk to you like they’re something remote,” Rose said. “He was so familiar. After every word, he paused, as if each word he said came from his heart.”

“We live in a world which is changing rapidly,” Rose said. “We have the technology that can give us the iPod and everything else, but it’s not all these things. We have to work on the minds and the hearts. We’re failing these kids. We’re not loving them like we’re supposed to.”

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41

Lars,

I hear ya, dude.  I understand exactly what you’re saying and your example of celebrities parading around in third world basket cases is a good analogy.  Personally, I’m not a Jobs fanboy, but in this instance I’m choosing to set my cynicism aside and give the guy credit for doing something notworthy.  I agree with another who said that his legal dept probably collectively held their breath when he called, but sometimes doing what’s right means taking a risk.  You did raise a good point, but it is also a risk to cynically chaulk up everything to personal advantage.

Posted by Obadiah on July 6, 2005 at 1:04 PM (PDT)

42

The worst part of Steve Jobs call was that Mr. Jobs placed the burden of asking for something on the father.  Just give something if you think there is something to be done, Mr. Jobs.  Don’t make him ask you for more than a phone call.

No, I don’t think the call was a publicity stunt, I think the call was more good than bad, and I don’t believe that Mr. Jobs owes the family anything.  But, the real question is what would Mr. Jobs say if the father asked for $10million? 

I bet the Apple PR machine would spin the story into the tale of a greedy father trying to benefit from his son’s death.  They would dig up stories of how the kid was in the wrong neighborhood looking for drugs, or looking for a fight.  And, if Apple couldn’t find a chink in the kid’s armor, they would then monitor every penny the father spends and try to say he bought extravagant things with his son’s blood money (of course they wouldn’t consider a new iPod to be extravagant).

I encourage the father to ask for $10million.  He can set up his own scholarship at that point.

Posted by Talking Madness in Los Angeles on July 6, 2005 at 1:07 PM (PDT)

43

Lars, I appologize for my rude comments. I get more than a little defensive when people automatically assume that I buy into everything apple has to say or do just because I voice my opinion.

Posted by kevin on July 6, 2005 at 1:09 PM (PDT)

44

Talking Madness,

I respectfully disagree. The very fact that Jobs stepped out of executive sync (executive’s typically answer nothing) and did what any parent would have done—extend their condolences and offer help, is a wonderful act of human kindness, of which there is so of little today. There is no PR machine here; now or in the future.

Posted by FahrenheiPod 451 on July 6, 2005 at 1:19 PM (PDT)

45

FahrenheiPod 451,

I’m not sure what you disagree with me on.  I said the call was more of a good thing than a bad thing.  I said the call wasn’t a pubilicity stunt.

Oh, you must be diagreeing with my hypothetical of what would happen if the father asked for $10million.  Do you really think things wouldn’t get ugly if the father asked for $10miliion from Jobs?

FahrenheiPod 451, think about it for a minute…

Posted by Talking Madness in Los Angeles on July 6, 2005 at 1:41 PM (PDT)

46

I understand Lars’s point about celebrities going to third world countries for photo ops and thinking that they’ve made a difference… I don’t necessarily see the good in that either..

But this isn’t like that.

Lars said before that he thought the call was not appropriate… i disagree. I disagree because really this isn’t about Steve Jobs admitting fault or him shielding his company from fallout or whatever… it’s more human. It’s one human being reaching out and having kind words for another. It’s completely different from say when a rock star goes to Africa because then it’s a show for the camera, while here, it’s just two men talking to each other privately.

Coumos, you said “I, unlike Kevin, actually read all of Lars’ posts, and I did not detect the least bit of malice toward apple or Steve Jobs. He never used abusive language, nor did he claim that Steve Jobs had anything but the best of intentions. “

Did you read this line? “Anybody else here thinking that this was just a dumb and improper gesture of Jobs??”

I still completely disagree with Lars, and think he’s seriously got a terribly cynical view of the world… where no kind gesture can exist in a vacuum… everything must have a motive.

Posted by Ben on July 6, 2005 at 1:49 PM (PDT)

47

Talking Madness,

The point that is being made is that what is in the interest of the company, and what is the kind thing to do is many times completely different…

You bring up this question… what if the father asked for $10 million? Is something like that possible? it’s possible, but somehow I doubt that it would because it’s clear to everyone that gang violence is the real problem here… why would you even entertain this hypothesis? What purpose would it serve?

Bear in mind the perpetrators in this terrible situation is gang violence… not any kind of pop culture icon or piece of technology. Any grownup can see that.

Posted by Ben on July 6, 2005 at 2:03 PM (PDT)

48

Talking Madness,

“Oh, you must be disagreeing with my hypothetical of what would happen if the father asked for $10million. Do you really think things wouldn’t get ugly if the father asked for $10 million from Jobs?”

I should have clarified further, but yes I do disagree, because this makes the assumption that lawyers are smarter and the masses are both ignorant and stupid—which they are not. Any parent placing a dollar figure on a child (and yes I know there are calculation tables on the value of a human life, used in court) is simply not thinking straight. Monetary awards are a resultant of an act. In this case, a parent would go after the people that murdered their son. Any spin placed on this scenario (no matter what happens in the future) would be viewed as ‘spin’ and no one would think otherwise. That is the reason Apple would not do as you have suggested—people are not that stupid to believe it, and Apple is not that stupid to do such an act.

Posted by FahrenheiPod 451 on July 6, 2005 at 2:08 PM (PDT)

49

Ben,

You talk a lot of pidgin.  You seem to feel like you’re summing up the sentiments of the entire thread, but you’re way off base.  I don’t hear a lot of people here talking about gang violence.  Most here are commenting on what a great thing Mr. Jobs did.

Please, don’t make the mistake of trying to separate Mr. Jobs and Apple.  Don’t tell me that you see them as two separate things.  Once again, I will say that I don’t think what Mr. Jobs did was a publicity stunt, but please don’t go off on a tangent and suggest that he was at odds with Apple over his course of action.  Don’t try to act like Apple attorneys were pulling at his ankles as he stormed from the boardroom to make the call.  I’m sure the Apple Campus is filled with a bunch of ‘yes men’.

I asked the hypothetical because Mr. Jobs apparently told the father to let him know if there was anything he could do.  You seem to think it’s shallow for the father to ask for $10million and you have reacted with a bit of ire.  You are a bit of proof that my hypothesis is sound.  I suggested that if the father asked for a large chunk of money, people would react negatively as you have.

Now, I agree with you that the problem is violence and people getting killed over something as slight as an iPod.  But, I hardly see it as the main point that people are focusing on in this thread.

Posted by Talking Madness in Los Angeles on July 6, 2005 at 2:22 PM (PDT)

50

FahrenheiPod 451,

I have to admit that I’m not following you’re train of thought.  I never said, or suggested that lawyers were smarter than any one else in the room.  But, when it comes to legal matters I will admit that they should know more than I do, because I’m not a lawyer.

The fact of life is that people do put dollar amounts on lives everyday.  People buy insurance policies to guarantee at death that their life will be worth a certain amount to their family.

I said what if the father asked for $10million in response to Mr. Jobs who said let me know if there is anything I can do.  I also said that if the father asked for money (which is what almost everyone in this country does when someone dies, and more so when someone is killed) the whole situation would turn from ‘what a good thing Mr. Jobs did’ to ‘what a bad guy the father is for asking for money’.

I hate to say you’re the butt of a joke, but in some ways you are.  You’ve started to spin the story yourself.  You’re doing exactly what I said Apple would do.

Posted by Talking Madness in Los Angeles on July 6, 2005 at 2:37 PM (PDT)

51

Talking Madness,

“I asked the hypothetical because Mr. Jobs apparently told the father to let him know if there was anything he could do.  You seem to think it’s shallow for the father to ask for $10million and you have reacted with a bit of ire.  You are a bit of proof that my hypothesis is sound.  I suggested that if the father asked for a large chunk of money, people would react negatively as you have.”

You and I, both know that $10 million dollars is entirely irrational. People, in this case, and in the context of Mr. Jobs, offer funeral expense help. You have taken it so out of context that your statements are simply ‘stick-stupid’ at this point. I guess next when the President calls a fallen military soldier’s parents with the same condolences, he should be sued for $10 million dollars? Why don’t people sue you for $10 million dollars for stupid statements? Ire my butt, use your common sense—if you have any.

Posted by FahrenheiPod 451 on July 6, 2005 at 2:45 PM (PDT)

52

Ben: I have to take my statement back that the call was “inappropriate”. I gave the whole thing a thought in the meanwhile (also because of the discussion here) and now think that this word was over the top and misleading. I think his call was a honest meaning gesture. Nevertheless, I can’t see how some people here are now praising Steve Jobs as a kind of saint who “cares about the world” ...etc. because of this. Anyway, love each other!

Posted by Lars on July 6, 2005 at 2:45 PM (PDT)

53

WHOA.. now you’re putting words in my mouth… i’m not defending Apple or Jobs or anyone else… 

the whole hypothesis about the $10 million you made… the insinuation is about fault.

You implied that the father would ask $10 million of Steve just because he offered to help, and he felt Steve culpable somehow… my point is that everybody knows that Steve and Apple are in no way responsible… it’s violence that killed him, not Apple or Steve, or his iPod…  it’s you who are making that insinuation

I’ve stated nothing but fact… you’ve stated your wild imagination where the dad asks for $10 million and Apple and Steve flame him to death and blame it all on his son… I frankly think that your implication there is extremely disrespectful to the deceased, and to the father, but lets just drop this, shall we…

Posted by Ben on July 6, 2005 at 4:02 PM (PDT)

54

Talking Madness…

Lets you just stop talking, shall you? You blame FahrenheiPod for spinning the story, but it was YOU who brought up this whole $10 million insanity to begin with.

You need to shut your trap.

Posted by Ben on July 6, 2005 at 4:05 PM (PDT)

55

Lars you’re OK. I just think you were too harsh. Feel sorry for someone is not totally unuseful. Even if you do nothing more about it.

Posted by The one who is right on July 6, 2005 at 4:05 PM (PDT)

56

I have always had a high opinion of Steve Jobs and this humanitarian gesture truly exemplifies the character of the man and legend. Long live Steve! Long live Apple!

Posted by John JTG on July 6, 2005 at 5:20 PM (PDT)

57

Ben,

Don’t be so lazy.  Go back and read what I wrote.  I never said anyone was at fault.  I never said Mr. Jobs owed anyone anything.

Mr. Jobs is the one who made the offer of call me if there is anything I can do.  I asked a simple question…what if the father took him up on the offer and asked for money.  This is what typically happens in this world when someone is killed. 

I further speculated that while people are saying what a great person Mr. Jobs is (I don’t deny that he is), if someone asked for money as a result of the situation everyone would get crazy.  Look what’s happening here.  Everyone is getting crazy over a simple hypothetical.

People have assumed that Apple would’ve been against Mr. Jobs making the call.  If they were against it, it’s most likely because they would fear a scenario like I’m speculating.

Posted by Talking Madness in Los Angeles on July 6, 2005 at 6:00 PM (PDT)

58

You are being paranoid…

I do not see people getting “crazy” here… only you, who pull this disrespectful hypothetical situation out of your butt (my beef with you is that you need to give other human beings some credit about not doing stupid things like ask for $10 million… give this dad some credit) , and then accuse people who respond of proving your point.

We do not prove your point. All you’ve proven is that if you go on a message board and say something stupid like your $10 million hypothesis, people will respond in kind and call you out for being a fool.

I read what you wrote. Don’t treat me like an illiterate.

Posted by Ben on July 6, 2005 at 7:13 PM (PDT)

59

I’ll say one more thing…

I think your whole argument is extremely childish, and I urge you to drop it completely, lest you attract more ridicule about how immature you are.

Here is the difference between adults and children: adults can see the reality of the situation, with human beings in pain and in mourning. Children would rather get caught up in a pretend world where parents of dead children sue Apple for $10 million and mud is flung back and forth…

That’s my point. And you are proving it with every post. Why must you pretend so hard?

Posted by Ben on July 6, 2005 at 7:18 PM (PDT)

60

I’ve got one more thing to say.

You are still immature, but this is why your argument holds no water and shows you as immature.

You’re hung up on how Steve Jobs used the words “If there is anything I can do…”

In the real world, this is NOT a literal carte blanche, promise to do anything, like it is in the child world. It means within reason.

This was not to be taken literally, and it is meant mostly as a gesture… generous people say things like that to people in grief, and many times the mere thought that someone out there is thinking about them and cares about how they are feeling helps worlds. If he asks for something within reason, I’m sure that Jobs will oblige, just as any person can within reason… but $10 million in cash is not within reason, and only exists in your child thought.

This has been a lesson in being a grown up.

Posted by Ben on July 6, 2005 at 7:34 PM (PDT)

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