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By Dennis Lloyd

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Published: Wednesday, March 24, 2004
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“Apple Computer’s iPod mini looks as if it was designed for adolescent girls who like their electronic devices to look like their candy. The new portable MP3 player comes in five shiny new colors: blue, sliver, green, gold and pink. Apple describes the iPod mini as the “ultimate fashion statement”—a line that could have been pulled straight out of Tiger Beat magazine.

If you cut through the layer of teeny-bopper marketing, however, you will find Apple’s (nasdaq: AAPL - news - people ) iPod mini is a decent player that deserves to be marketed as more than a fashion accessory—it works well, it’s easy to use and the simple design is friendly and functional.”

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Typical Windows-slave Apple hater article.

No context, no description.

“iTunes was clunky”

Journalistic wonder there, folks.

Posted by Gary on March 25, 2004 at 8:13 AM (PDT)


BigSid - Agreed.  A better selection of colors would be nice.

SsnMx - The iPod Minis very are popular and are in explosively high demand.  But so are the MuVo^2 4GB (199$).  These were released nearly two months before the Mini and they were out-of-stock/back-ordered everywhere by mid February.  Try finding a MuVo^2 4GB now - it’s not even listed on their product list on their base website anymore (

And yeah, the MuVo^2 are black/white and plastic too - but I guess that didn’t deter people from buying it.

Posted by robotZER0 on March 25, 2004 at 8:24 AM (PDT)


The MuVo2 is not at all hard to find, check out  I don’t own an iPod mini, but how can you people complain about only having 5 colors to choose from, atleast there are 5 options instead of just one.  Try naming another MP3 player that gives you the design and functionality of the mini and on top of that gives you more then one or two colors to choose from and lets you custom engrave it as well.  I personally like all the colors, and would welcome any other colors that are introduced later on. Just because you don’t fancy a color(s) doesn’t mean there aren’t thousands upon thousands of people wanting them.  As for the PC vs Mac arguments, over the years I’ve seen Apple innovate many items, where PC doesn’t (first imac, recent imac, cube, first 17” laptop, G5, iPod, iPod mini).  Just a fact, doesn’t mean that one is better then the other seeing how I used to be a PC fanatic and now have seen the light and am an avid Apple user for the past 4 years, only preference, ease, and a better OS are my reasons for the switch.

Posted by iRez on March 25, 2004 at 8:46 AM (PDT)


iRez - It’s not hard to ‘find’ in a sense you can just go to and say, yup I found you on the website - but can you actually physically get one?  Think.  Why does it say - ‘Will be instock soon’?

Posted by robotZER0 on March 25, 2004 at 8:51 AM (PDT)


Is she even using a decent computer? If she’s using a P2 or P3 , yeah, it’ll be slow. i wouldn’t be surprsied if she tried it on a slow a** PC at her work instead of thinking about, geee, maybe it’s the computer. DUH!

Posted by Chomper on March 25, 2004 at 9:12 AM (PDT)


another comments thread where the cult- like aspect of the apple fanbase shines…

Posted by piratepete on March 25, 2004 at 9:21 AM (PDT)


Beige? Do Apple users still believe that Mac’s are the only computers with a little color, style and design?

You pathetic fanboys, get your head out of your backside and take a look around. Very few PC’s are pure beige anymore. Haven’t been for at least 5 year now. Boutique PC’s makers such as Alienware, Voodoo and a whole host of others have out-styled Apple machines for quite some time. After all pure white, all components inside an oversized monitor and single button mice arent as revolutionary as you may think. Unless of course you subscribe to the propaganda of Steve Jobs and Co.

If you Mac zealots could take a break from being ignorant for about 5 minutes you might have noticed.

Posted by sand and funny on March 25, 2004 at 9:40 AM (PDT)


“can you actually physically get one? Think. Why does it say - ‘Will be instock soon’?”

Because the Muvo2 is in such high demand that Amazon’s stock is depleted as soon as a drop shipment arrives. So the stock quantity shows 99% of the time as “in stock soon”.

But I know people who have ordered them from Amazon over the last few months and got them. SOmetimes you wait a few days, sometimes two weeks, but they do arrive.

Posted by Amazon on March 25, 2004 at 9:56 AM (PDT)



iTunes is slow even on a 2.8Ghz PC.  And, you shouldn’t have to have the highest-end machine just for a music program too function timely. 

I like iTunes more than most other players overall, but it was fair for the reporter to note that iTunes is slow even if she is using a less than top-notch computer.

Are you suggesting that people should upgrade their computers along with dropping $250-500 for an iPod?

Posted by BigSid in Los Angeles on March 25, 2004 at 10:02 AM (PDT)


Go to ebay, and do a search for “Muvo2.” You will find tons of Muvos for sale without their 4GB hard drives. This is why they are impossible to get. Very few customers are buying them to play music. You seem to be the exception. There is no “Muvolounge” because Muvos only live as HDs in cameras.

Posted by Questioner on March 25, 2004 at 11:41 AM (PDT)


Next gen Minis will have interchangeable faceplaces ala Nokia.

Posted by bakaka on March 25, 2004 at 12:36 PM (PDT)



Posted by eric on March 25, 2004 at 1:17 PM (PDT)


Re: piratepete
“another comments thread where the cult- like aspect of the apple fanbase shines…”

Yet another thread were ignorance from windows users shines.
I love how you believe that somehow Apple has a “cult”
You can’t understand that somebody actually likes quality products with good looks and good performance… to you, that is impossible to imagine, therefore… ahhh… there’s a… CULT

How pathetic…

Why would I look for a MuVo^2? LOL

I agree that there should be more colors, just for the heck of choice. But we are asking for more colors, because we were given colors in the first place. If your favorite color doesn’t is not offered by Apple and you still like the iPod, well, buy it and paint it… you pay extra, but I mean, people will always complain that Apple doesn’t have the color they want.

I doubt Apple will ship a black iPod, just because they seem to avoid that color in their products… it’s all white and aluminum… I might be wrong, since there seems to be people asking for a black one, I guess we’ll see…

Posted by SsnMx on March 25, 2004 at 1:30 PM (PDT)


Re: piratepete
“another comments thread where the cult- like aspect of the apple fanbase shines…”

Yet another thread were windows user ignorance shines.
How naive are you to actually think there is a cult? You can’t understand someone liking a quality product with good looks and good quality. If there is quality in a product and people actually like them… it’s a CULT. How pathetic, my friend.

Re: robotZero
why would look for a MuVo^2? LOL, let me remind you that you are in an iPod forum.

Re: BigSid
I agree that there should be more colors to choose from, but the funny thing is: we demand colors, because we are given some colors. Otherwise we would settle for the black and white forever.

I doubt Apple will make a black iPod, just because they seem to avoid that color in their products. Some people are asking for it, so I hope they listen to customers… and well, sometimes they don’t…

Posted by SsnMx on March 25, 2004 at 1:43 PM (PDT)


“Yet another thread were ignorance from windows users shines.
I love how you believe that somehow Apple has a “cult”“

Because Windows PCs account for like 99% of the computer market it’s hard to ascribe specific cult-like behavior to the purchasers and users of Windows PCs. There are sub-tribes, like, the beige box people, the brushed aluminum boxes, the transparent neon glow box people, and Athlon/Pentium split, the gamers vs the business people, and so on.

But with Macs, because their market share is so unbelievably tiny, it *is* easy to ascrive specific cult-like behavioral traits to Mac buyers. These stereotyped traits hold true for a much larger percentage of the Mac buying market than a similar stereotype would for a comparable percentage of the Windows PC market.

It’s simple selection bias.

Posted by cult on March 25, 2004 at 2:42 PM (PDT)


“another comments thread where the cult- like aspect of the apple fanbase shines…”


Posted by Gary on March 25, 2004 at 2:55 PM (PDT)


Questioner - Last I heard, ppl tried to buy the Apple Ipod Mini to extract the 4GB MD too… but too bad it won’t work on dSLRs since Hitachi disabled the IDE-mode on the MD.  Why do you think the iPod Mini’s can’t be used as an external drive like the MuVo^2 can?  Why do you think you can’t just hook up the mini to the PC via USB2.0 and drag-n-drop files into the Mini w/o using proprietary software (aka iTunes)?  I like the Mini but it has several flaws, including enclosed battery; even the MuVo^2 has the ability to swap lith battery (and they last much longer 10-14 hours).

Posted by robotZER0 on March 25, 2004 at 3:02 PM (PDT)



Agreed. I know PC people who have spent $5000 on their gaming rigs and $500+ on their graphics cards.

They may have the fastest, coolest machines on the planet (for the next 3 months!), but it’s an expensive hobby that only breeds jealosy and envy in those less fortunate.

Posted by Green Eyed Monster on March 25, 2004 at 3:03 PM (PDT)


I’m doing a little research for a paper.

I would like to know, why are PC-users so anti-mac? Shoot me your opinions.

PLEASE, don’t bother to answer if you don’t have lots of experience with both platforms. I don’t want to sort through ignorant, unfounded answers.

Posted by Wolf on March 25, 2004 at 3:22 PM (PDT)


Ok, people (cult & piratepete, especially)

Could you please be so kind as to define and explain to us how this cult works and what it consists on…

from cult: ” it *is* easy to ascrive specific cult-like behavioral traits to Mac buyers.”

what is the beliefs? what are the practices?
what do we, mac users, believe in and follow?
Please, explain, enlighten us.

Truth is, you can’t. There is no cult. That argument is so OLD.

Posted by SsnMX on March 25, 2004 at 3:23 PM (PDT)

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