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Re: wolf

that’s all you’re gonna get from anti-mac PC users… ignorance. Because most of them haven’t even tried Macs, yet they have a thousand arguments against them.

And no, using it once or twice doesn’t count!
You need to use it more than 5 minutes to have a somewhat clear opinion as to what you like/don’t like…

Posted by SsnMx on March 25, 2004 at 3:25 PM (PDT)

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“There is no cult.”

That denial is old: Ever since Steve Jobs came back from his Indian Explorations he has known how to use cult-like marketing techniques to recruit legions of eager proselytizers to sell his products.

Cult of the Sacrilegious Apple
http://www.electric-chicken.co.uk/cult-doctrine.html

Part One: Fundamental Beliefs

Apple is the pinnacle of all technology
Apple innovated all current computer technology. ALL of it!
Apple’s CEO Steve Jobs is our deity, bringing innovation, style and unthreatening speeds to the common man (common in this respect being upper-middle-class), and ruthlessly culling technology that has become integral to beige machines.
Bill Gates is an Evil Overlord. He is the beast. He is all cultures’ equivalent of the Devil. He creates beige products for beige consumers - the lower classes. He turns people into drones and sucks all life and choice from them. He is the most evil man to have walked the Earth.
Apple’s technology is fast. Speed is not defined by time, nor achievement. It is not defined by processor clock speeds. It is defined by marketing ‘scripture’ from the offices and orifices of Apple.
Think Different! - do not observe the norm, but differ from it. For normality is beige.
The World cannot function without Apple.
All professionals use Apple Macs. Therefore, all Mac users are professionals.
PC’s are difficult to use and PC users are morons.
Colors make a computer work better.
Humour is only to be enjoyed by Mac users. Should someone’s sense of humour verge on anti-Mac slander - do all you can to ensure the offending individual is aware of your annoyance. Publicly, it is not to be considered annoyance so much as disinterest.
Apple Macs make art wonderful.
Nothing creative has ever been achieved on a PeeCee.
One button is more than ample.
If it’s ugly, be rid of it!

Posted by HeavensGate on March 25, 2004 at 4:59 PM (PDT)

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http://www.electric-chicken.co.uk/cult-doctrine.html

Never concede to a PC user.
Confuse the audience where possible either with random ‘facts’ or self-contradictions.
Call PC users Gay at any given opportunity. If the user in question is gay, call them stupid.
Everything you say must be the truth if only in your own head.
Frequently use endearing terms like Troll, Clone, Drone, PeeCee, Windoze, Beige Box etc
If uncertain of your facts, be sure to ramble in conversation, or refrain from using a common language or punctuation in writing.
Never make it clear what your point is. If you are pulled up later for a comment, you can claim that the accuser either wasn’t listening or is too stupid to get it.
If your point isn’t made, do what you can to disrupt future discussion.
Remember, propaganda is the same as fact unless it is PC propaganda. Also note that the Switch campaign was a series of truly revealing stories of real people - not a desperate attempt to win people over.
If found to be at a stalemate in the discussion, always bring up the Windows blue screen of death regardless of its relevance.
Deny the existence of any Mac operating system prior to OSX as these are now our smutty little secret. To outsiders, Apple has been consistently reliable since the invention of the first computer ever!

Posted by Witnessing on March 25, 2004 at 5:04 PM (PDT)

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Does this “cult doctrine” come from a mac user/fanatic/lover?
NO

This comes from the typical anti-Mac bias that many PC users have. So until you find a page made by a Mac user, this so-called cult doctrine is worthless.

It would be the same as if I (Mac lover) made a website claiming I have the doctrine of the PC cult:

* Deny that PCs crash, freeze, and are just plain cheap.
* Deny that Windows is a rip-off from the Mac. In fact, Windows was before Mac.
* Say all colored computers are bad, childish, girlish, gayish, etc
* Deny to have a computer other that beige or black.
* All products made by Apple are for children
* It’s perfectly OK to spend your weekend reformatting a computer.
* If you can figure out how Windows works, you’re very smart, you should be proud of yourself.

So there you have it, part of the doctrine PC users follow. Those poor suckers have a cult, how funny, eh?

Posted by SsnMx on March 25, 2004 at 6:19 PM (PDT)

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“So until you find a page made by a Mac user, this so-called cult doctrine is worthless.”

You’re in a cult - why fight it?

Try these:

http://www.applelinks.com/macspirit/cult.shtml
http://www.applelinks.com/macspirit/koolaid.shtml

Posted by Cult on March 25, 2004 at 7:26 PM (PDT)

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Jobs Macworld 2000 keynote: foundations of our faith

Steve Jobs is the master showman. He makes you want to listen to the rest of what he’s saying, not just the sound bites. He “preaches” on three levels, according to the great Aristotle, father of Rhetoric.

1) ethos: appeals to the speaker’s crebility.
2) pathos: emotional appeals.
3) logos: appeals to logic.

That man is… “da man.” I never believed in the RDF (Reality Distortion Field™), but I do today.

Posted by Sermons on March 25, 2004 at 7:31 PM (PDT)

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http://www.applelinks.com/macspirit/koolaid.shtml

Many Mac users will unflinchingly proclaim the following:

1) the Mac OS is better than any OS out there
2) there is nothing good about Windows
3) Microsoft is evil
4) Megahertz doesn’t matter
5) Steve Jobs is God

Posted by Jim Jones on March 25, 2004 at 7:36 PM (PDT)

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“I won’t go through the whole list of cult behaviors described in the article I read, because to compare cults to the Mac community will go beyond bordering on the absurd.”

Thank you

Posted by SsnMx on March 25, 2004 at 7:53 PM (PDT)

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Does the phrase ”Mac Evangelist” mean anything to you?

How about ”Macolyte”?

macolyte (n) One who is fanatically devoted to Apple products, esp. the Macintosh computer. Also known as a “Mac Zealot”.

If you’ve ever read any of the seminal books about Silicon Valley, such as “Hackers”, “Insanely Great”, or “Accidental Empires” then you wouldn’t be the last person in the world claiming desperately that Apple does not benefit from cult-like devotion. Maybe you should take a walk inside 1 Infinite Loop sometime? Or check out a Jobs keynote at the Moscone Center sometime?

Posted by MacEvangelist on March 25, 2004 at 8:07 PM (PDT)

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Wow, that cult stuff is pretty scary.  I didn’t even know such things existed. Evil if you ask me.

Posted by robotZER0 on March 25, 2004 at 10:00 PM (PDT)

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I have used PCs, I used them for a long time and for the most part, they worked fine. It was a white PC, by the way. Every once in a while I would have the occasional virus, the occasional freeze, the occasional crash. It was OK, since everybody seem to have the same problems. I couldn’t find a way to fix it, but nobody else could. (Non-geeks)

Then I switched to Macs and I realized how an OS is supposed to work and how deceived I had been (and for such a long time) And since the switch, I love Apple for making such great products. I show other people my powerbook and OS X and they all love it, even long-time PC users.

Steve Jobs being God? Please…
Microsoft being evil? Please…

C’mon people… Just get over it. I like a company that makes good products. If Steve Jobs is good at the keynotes, well, that’s his job! And I’m glad his good at it.

There are no hidden practices or beliefs. If people get passionate about Apple is because of their products and because we don’t like the typical bias that makes so many people hate Apple without even taking a look at what they make and what they have to offer. Understand that if Apple disappears we would have to use PCs and we are well over that.

So if you call that a cult… well… you’re just narrow-minded.

Posted by SsnMx on March 26, 2004 at 3:31 AM (PDT)

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Witnessing and Heavens Gate - absolutely terriffic!!

Whats even better is SsnMx’s posts after the fact which basically prove three quarters of what you had to say.

He even takes the bait and brings up
“ Deny to have a computer other that beige or black. “
I love it!! He evens solidifys Mac users pathetic attempts to knock PC users!

Like fluroescent pink makes for better computing, of course only if that pink is combined with a one button mouse and a $100+ yearly OS update.

Posted by sad and funny on March 26, 2004 at 5:09 AM (PDT)

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“since the switch, I love Apple for making such great products. I show other people my powerbook and OS X and they all love it, even long-time PC users.”

You’re Witnessing dude!

“What’s the difference between a cult and a religion? About a hundred years.”

Looking forward to the Church of Steve…

Posted by GimmeABreak on March 26, 2004 at 6:57 AM (PDT)

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“There is no “Muvolounge” because Muvos only live as HDs in cameras.”

You are correct - no Muvolounge.
It is called Nomadness.net, an excellent site covering the full range of Creative Nomad players.

And just because many people want to get a break on the cost of a microdrive, thus leaving the Muvo2 shell up for grabs, this does not mean that there aren’t plenty of other Muvo2s in normal use.

(Creative produces players with sound widely considered to be at the top of the class by many. And for some, sound is more important than color coating).

Posted by Larry on March 26, 2004 at 7:43 AM (PDT)

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“since the switch, I love Apple for making such great products. I show other people my powerbook and OS X and they all love it, even long-time PC users”

Since I saw the light I love Jesus for making the world. I show other people the Truth and the Light and they all love it, even long-time Sinners.

Posted by PTL on March 26, 2004 at 10:36 AM (PDT)

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Sigh…

People…
It’s not even worth it.

You certainly know all about the “church of steve” and the mac “cult’… yet you’re PC users, right?
Get a life, move on…

Posted by SsnMX on March 26, 2004 at 6:32 PM (PDT)

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Honestly, Windows 98 and earlier had dreaded blue screen crashes, but since Windows XP, crashes are a thing of the past for me.  Maybe it took Microsoft until XP to get it right, but the old argument of Windows not being stable has to go.

There is some truth to the argument of Apple being immune to virus attacks, but imagine if everyone switched to Apple, so would the hackers and Apple would no longer be so protected.  Hackers only go after PC’s because they have more systems to attack, it’s not that Windows is inherently less secure than OSX.

Apple is for more creative people… please!  I’m a working artist and I use a PC.  In fact I feel that Apple is too cold for my creativity.  Brushed steel and glass aren’t the most inviting environments to be creative in.  When it comes to being creative you either got it or you don’t.  At the coffee shop I often see ‘posers’ with their new PowerBooks, claiming to be creative while a PC user right next to them is actually being creative.  You never see anyone posing with a PC.

I will accept that fact that Apple designers may be more creative than PC designers, but it’s not rubbing off on their users.

Steve Jobs is a helluva communicator.  So is Bill Gates.  So is Steve Ballmer.  Ever heard those guys rally the troops?  A thing to behold.  Different styles I will admit, but all three are effective.

Just some rambling I wanted to put out for the group…

Have a nice weekend all.

Posted by BigSid in Los Angeles on March 26, 2004 at 8:55 PM (PDT)

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SsnMX-

The above post is for you.

Have a good one, man.

Posted by BigSid in Los Angeles on March 26, 2004 at 8:56 PM (PDT)

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I have a powerbook,
I know some people pose, but all I do with the computer is check email, get music, and chat.
Pretty standard

I agree Apple designers are more creative, but I know that doesn’t make me any more/less creative. I just like the way it looks and the way it works.

Why do you have to bash Macs? They’re just another computer, ya know! Just as you hate it, there are people who like it… so what?

Posted by Ruben on March 27, 2004 at 12:35 AM (PDT)

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Forbes: you go girl!

Make mine Glock Gray, so it’ll be color-coordinated with my 19.

Posted by whoopitup on March 27, 2004 at 12:39 AM (PDT)