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“Gapless Playback for Apple iPod” online petition

iPod user Michael Barca has started a “Gapless Playback for Apple iPod” online petition. Gapless playback has been heavily discussed within our own forums and Michael hopes that Apple will take notice. Gapless playback is the playback of long songs or DJ mixes in a continuous stream without audible gaps.

“We, the undersigned, are requesting that gapless playback be integrated into the iPod via a firmware upgrade in the near future.

We want to show you, Apple, that there exists a large amount of iPod owners and possible future iPod owners, who desperately want this to be supported in iPod.

Perhaps you don’t realize how important this is to iPod owners, but by this petition we hope to show you how essential this feature is to any digital audio player.”

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1

Does the 4G have gapeless playing???
i listen to Dj mixes and I never notice that on my G4??

Posted by Pocaille on September 8, 2004 at 10:42 AM (CDT)

2

i dont think it does… its not listed as a feature(and if it did, apple wouldnt have their stupid work-a-round ‘combine the tracks together’ which works okay for dj mixes, but not so good with albums)

in fact, that is one of the few features that kept me away from buying a 4g, i didnt feel a need to invest in another ipod if they arent going to offer the REAL features people want until the next ipod

Posted by o on September 8, 2004 at 10:55 AM (CDT)

3

Yeah Me 2,

ive noticed that 2, in my 4G 20 GB ipod i have a lot of dj mixes and i really dont notice any pause between songs, unless of couse if they are not in the memory buffer and the iPod HD has to spin up,


Otherwise i dont notice anything….but real gapless play would be AWESOME

Posted by Shashwat on September 8, 2004 at 10:59 AM (CDT)

4

If this means crossfade, I’d like that option.

And transfer of user-made equalizers.

Then I’d truly have iTunes on the go.

Posted by Nagromme on September 8, 2004 at 11:03 AM (CDT)

5

::sigh:: petitions always seem so childish.

Posted by JC on September 8, 2004 at 11:09 AM (CDT)

6

... and I want it to make coffee, pay my bills, buy flowers for my wife, feed my pets…

.narco

Posted by narco in Burbank on September 8, 2004 at 11:09 AM (CDT)

7

Doesn’t this guy know about the join tracks option when ripping? Or is that not good enough for him?

Posted by Charlie on September 8, 2004 at 11:10 AM (CDT)

8

A quote from the petition “Dude! Gapless playback ALREADY EXITS! Just go into iTunes’ preferences and set the playback gap to 0.” That just makes the petition 100% pointless to me.

Posted by Jam on September 8, 2004 at 11:21 AM (CDT)

9

Petitions politically motivated sometimes work, but has online petitions ever worked?

Posted by richmds in Los Angeles on September 8, 2004 at 11:25 AM (CDT)

10

Jam, first of all, the playback to 0 doesn’t work, there’s still a gap, no matter what anyone says,

2: crossfade is crossfade, and you still lose an amount of the song…

and 3: what you’re writing about is in Itunes ONLY and not at all applicable to the ipod.

the petitiion may not matter much in the long run, but they started it because consumers like me are sick of the holes in cds that have tracks that run together, and the seamless ripping feature makes one song out of however many you join, which takes away any option whatsoever of finding the track you normally would be able to just click to.

the gap’s the biggest flaw with what I’ve grown to love in a multi-level, day to day tool.

but I have a 3g and they’ll probably only offer it to 4 or 5th g owners when they get around to it. so….

Posted by mvague on September 8, 2004 at 11:41 AM (CDT)

11

Gapless playback may not be so easy to implement on the iPod.  It requires audio processing (mixing) that is may exceed the capabilities of the CPU (the PP5002D or similar).  The processor would not only have to decode two audio streams, but perform simultaneous mixing calculations as well.  Also, from a coding standpoint,it represents a major firmware upgrade, not a minor one.

You can petition Apple for the feature as a firmware upgrade, but don’t hold your breath!  Future models may have higher horsepower, so be optimistic.

Posted by Mike Nilsen on September 8, 2004 at 11:44 AM (CDT)

12

Well not everyone wants to go thru all that bother….put cd in disk….wait half hour till iTunes loads….spend another half hour setting preferences…. u get the pic…Whats the point of rippin a whole album as one File, to spend another half hour trying to find the song ur lookin for…no thx

WE BOUGHT THE IPOD BECOZ OF ITS SIMPLICITY AND EASE OF USE, it IS the best mp3 player in the market and we r jus trying to make it bettr.

Posted by Shashwat on September 8, 2004 at 11:44 AM (CDT)

13

How about incorporating support for “cue sheets”? Definitely not as elegant gapless playback, but better than navigating through a single massive 80 minute audio track.

Posted by toink on September 8, 2004 at 11:52 AM (CDT)

14

toink’s got a very good point… making joined tracks that still have ID’s would do it for me…

seems like that could be software driven without a whole lot of processing necessary.

Posted by mvague on September 8, 2004 at 12:00 PM (CDT)

15

From what I understand, the iPod’s not the culprit. It’s inherent in the encoding format of MP3/MP4(AAC). The music is encoded in blocks, the size of the blocks dependent on the bit rate. If a song finishes without totally filling the final block, you get a “gap”. Have you ever noticed the gaps are different lengths? Doesn’t the iPod have a 25 min buffer? So obviously it’s not a problem with data being streamed off the hard drive.
I like the idea of “cue sheets” (or markers). This would negate this “problem”.

Posted by JJ1974 on September 8, 2004 at 12:03 PM (CDT)

16

Sry to divert the subject but can anyone tell me if iTunes is seriously slowing down their pc?? i have a 3.0Ghz pc and iTunes seriousy slows it down.

Also what program is the best substitute for iTunes, ephpod, anapod 8.6 or Xplay 2?????


Also is the current iPod remote worth buying, is it useful, i mean it doesnt have a screen or anything and really looks to me very simple and not well designed.

What i think we ought to petition for is a GOOD remote for the ipod, one with a SCREEN, its not impossible as other mp3 players already have 3 - 4 line remote controls.

Posted by Shashwat on September 8, 2004 at 12:04 PM (CDT)

17

Dear all,

This is a limitation of the MP3/MP4 format.

Love, Apple

Posted by duke on September 8, 2004 at 12:06 PM (CDT)

18

duke, look at what I said above.

we all know about the limitations with mp3/mp4 files… it’s a workaround other than just joining tracks and creating one big chunk of music.

Posted by mvague on September 8, 2004 at 12:11 PM (CDT)

19

Gapless would be great, but a crossfade feature would be even better…  It’s already in the iTunes software as a preference.

Posted by apple juice on September 8, 2004 at 12:16 PM (CDT)

20

Dear duke,

Yes it may be a limitation, but it can be worked around via firmware. see the rio karma.

Posted by h on September 8, 2004 at 12:25 PM (CDT)

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