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“Gapless Playback for Apple iPod” online petition

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By Dennis Lloyd

Publisher, iLounge
Published: Wednesday, September 8, 2004
News Categories: Apple

iPod user Michael Barca has started a “Gapless Playback for Apple iPod” online petition. Gapless playback has been heavily discussed within our own forums and Michael hopes that Apple will take notice. Gapless playback is the playback of long songs or DJ mixes in a continuous stream without audible gaps.

“We, the undersigned, are requesting that gapless playback be integrated into the iPod via a firmware upgrade in the near future.

We want to show you, Apple, that there exists a large amount of iPod owners and possible future iPod owners, who desperately want this to be supported in iPod.

Perhaps you don’t realize how important this is to iPod owners, but by this petition we hope to show you how essential this feature is to any digital audio player.”

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41

Id rather participate in a petition that demands firmware for 4G to be made available for 3G. IS THAT MORE IMPORTANT THAN THIS?

Posted by lol on September 8, 2004 at 1:11 PM (PDT)

42

The difficult part is telling the iPod which files you want to be played gaplessly. Yes, i would like it if you were able to do this for some albums, but the vast majority of albums are supposed to have gaps between the songs. I’ve tried to figure out a not cumbersome way to do this in the iPod and have been unable to.

Posted by BigIzz on September 8, 2004 at 1:14 PM (PDT)

43

Dear Jerrod,

:-* I was calm.

Love, duke

Posted by duke on September 8, 2004 at 2:10 PM (PDT)

44

“Is gapless playback THAT important? Sheesh..get a life already. Stop demanding the ipod to do every little thing.”

Yes, we should stop making requests that will make products better and simply accept flaws.

???

Yes, gapless playback is important.  A digital audio player should play just like a CD would.  The players and software need to support it.

Posted by Z on September 8, 2004 at 3:22 PM (PDT)

45

Wanting Gapless playback is a fine thing.
Requesting Apple to consider adding Gapless playback is oky too.
Does the subject of Gapless playback need a petition? I don’t think so.
Does the subject of Gapless playback need a battle of words on iPodLounge? I don’t think so.

Apple has done a great job listening to a lot of user feedback in the 4 versions of the iPod over the last 3 years. So everyone take a ‘chill pill’.

Posted by Nothing here, please move on on September 8, 2004 at 4:00 PM (PDT)

46

lol,

i wouldnt mind having to buy a new ipod, if they added enough new, big/important features that were worth the extra cash.. but deleting songs from the on the go menu isnt worth 400 dollars to replace my perfectly good ipod… gapless playback and maybe a few other features(better playlist support, instead of just adding and deleting files from the on the go playlist) would be worth the money to buy a new ipod

so in a way.. this is more important than upgrading the 3gs firmware

Posted by auy on September 8, 2004 at 4:27 PM (PDT)

47

Intentional inter-track gaps on CDs usually last around two seconds.  If you only splice together pairs of tracks with a second or less of zero data around the track boundary after the files are decoded, you won’t trim any intentional silence.  I don’t think any decent encoder is going to pad more than a frame’s worth of silence onto the end of a file (1 frame == ~.025 sec) so this approach should work for all MP3s.  (It’d be easy to test this theory, just encode some gapless source material to MP3, then decode it to separate PCM files and glue them together to see what you get.)

Posted by Ernie Longmire on September 8, 2004 at 4:58 PM (PDT)

48

The problem is that this feature would be overly complicated to implement for such a simple feature, it would introduce many potential problems for a feature that is -not- a common request from iPod users and potential buyers.

Creative invested to make a gapless player -because- they have to differienciate themselves from the iPod, not because they are so much better. They can take the risk of designing a more complicated player system. The Original iPod wasn’t designed for gapless playback, and Apple doesn’t want to do major changes just for the few that really want it.

Posted by Zippy on September 8, 2004 at 5:26 PM (PDT)

49

It is never EVER going to happen.

Apple do not care about making it better musically. Don’t even try.

Posted by Adam on September 8, 2004 at 5:58 PM (PDT)

50

hey, if rockbox can do it with an archos recorder, apple can do it with the AMAZINGLY ADVANCED iPod.  no?

rockbox: http://rockbox.haxx.se/

wish i hadn’t sold my recorder to help pay off my ipod.

Posted by dave on September 8, 2004 at 6:53 PM (PDT)

51

Let me tell you why gapless playback is important to ME: I listen to classical music a lot. Some really lengthy pieces are intended to play continously but are conceptually divided into different movements (and thus separate tracks on a CD) It is very annoying to hear gaps between movements when I want to hear the whole piece from start to finish.

For those against this petition: you can enjoy the gaps as much as you can, good for you! But please don’t stop us from asking for what we need!

Posted by MahlerFan on September 8, 2004 at 8:06 PM (PDT)

52

h,

I stand corrected. The link above gives a pretty good explanation of how it works.

If you think gapless playback isn’t a bad idea, why WOULDN’T you sign the petition? What exactly would would this deflect the programmers’ attention from that is so otherwise critical? Maybe if they add gapless playback they won’t have the resources to add an extra game or increase the note size? C’mon! “It’s about the music, stupid!”

Honestly, I think it’s about 2 years before mid-level PDAs or smartphones incorporate their own harddrives large enough to rival dedicated music players (Samsung already has a 1.5 GB cell phone). At that point, digital music players may well become irrelevant. Their note displaying, calendering, etc. features certainly will be, assuming they’re not already. If the iPod is going to continue to exist (who knows if it will even be possible), it should at least do 1 thing really well. Obviously, that thing is play music as well as possible.

Posted by tinaa on September 8, 2004 at 8:13 PM (PDT)

53

h, I stand corrected. The Rio’s a damn fine player. Shame he’s so fat… (that’s fat with an “f” not a “ph”...)

dave, if only the iPod community had more hardcore hackers. The Linux on iPod project looks brilliant and would be the best thing to ever happen to the iPod for audiophiles and gadgeteers. But at the rate that thing is progressing, I think the iPod will be mostly irrelevant before it’s usable. Although, it’ll certainly breath new life into the thousands of 2g, 3g, and 4g players out there once Apple has solidly moved on to whatever g they’re still supporting.

Posted by tinaa on September 8, 2004 at 8:18 PM (PDT)

54

Alright, you CAN encode a gapless AAC, nero does this with its VBR encoding.  If your AAC does not have any added gap, then the only thing the player needs to do is play them back-to-back, and songs with a gap with have them, while songs without a gap will not.

Posted by yup yup on September 8, 2004 at 8:31 PM (PDT)

55

can we all get along?
gapless on ipod would be a wonderful thing; anything that could be done to implement it is also wonderful; if the petition helps, more power 2 it. Peace 2 all grin

Posted by minimal on September 8, 2004 at 8:59 PM (PDT)

56

How sad, sure you could give feedback to apple, but a petition???? lame

Posted by solataire on September 8, 2004 at 10:10 PM (PDT)

57

Shashwat - you won’t find anything that’s truly comparable to iTunes ease of use and simple power—especially if you have an iPod. Your best bet is to troubleshoot iTunes rather than look at moving your library to another app.

Posted by Nagromme on September 9, 2004 at 12:08 AM (PDT)

58

Is it just me that encodes DJ mixes as long one mix and doesn’t mind?

Just stick your CD in, load CDEX and “extract section of CD” from the start to the end.

1 long MP3, no gaps. If you need to navigate, use the wheel for god’s sake!

Jimbob

Posted by Jimbob on September 9, 2004 at 12:27 AM (PDT)

59

True, that it does work to encode one huge file, but you take a battery life hit in the process. This is something that I think everyone can agree that the iPod cannot afford to do.

Posted by BigFil on September 9, 2004 at 3:29 AM (PDT)

60

“Any abusive comments or offensive language will be deleted and in some cases the person making the comment will be banned.”

How about Adam’s persistent and increasingly boring anti-Apple, anti iPod trolling?

Posted by Jacko on September 9, 2004 at 4:00 AM (PDT)

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