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Hitachi warns end users removing Microdrive from iPod mini

“Nguyen [Hitachi’s global storage technologies media relations head] stressed that her company’s $499 pricing for the hard drive at retail as a standalone item is ‘a suggested selling price only.’ She also said: ‘Standalone Microdrive products provide additional value over embedded products used in consumer electronic devices in their ability to be removed and used in a variety of different devices. Embedded Microdrive media is only designed to work in the device for which it was originally intended.’

The drives that ship embedded within devices are custom-built for Hitachi’s OEMs, and the features available inside the drives may not be as complete as those available at retail.

‘Some of the drives we ship today are used by consumers in products like digital cameras as removable storage: in other cases, the drives are designed inside devices such as MP3 players where the drive is not meant to be removed by end users.’”

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Tonic - apparently we’re not argueing the same issues.  You’re trying to convince me that the MagicStor is not a MD b/c it has problems working with a digital cameras and other devices… despite the FACT that the MagicStor has the exact physical features of the Hitachi MD (Compact Flash Type II / 1” HDD).  You seem to be agueing the term ‘MicroDrive’ as a ‘trademark’ name for Hitachi and Hitachi alone even though publishing sources such as PCmagazine and respectable online digital camera websites such as Steves-Digicams label the MagicStor as ‘Microdrive’.  You still have no hard evidence to state the MagicStor is not a MD.  User’s experience of having problems with it not operating in certain CFII devices is not a valid reason to say MagicStor are not MD’s.  Peoples computer’s don’t work all the time… should we then say it’s not a computer?  And you have to ask yourself at least one question: what is then the primary function of the 1” MicroDrive MagicStor CFII?  Is this all making sense to you now?

MagicStor Specs:

Hitachi Specs:

Both Hitachi and MagicStor have IDENTICAL physical dimensions and operational capabilities.  The only difference is the capacity and rotational speed… but that varies on normal HDDs as well so that’sneglible.

MagicStor Purpose:

From this leaflet, you can see what the MagicStor was built for.

You still have not proven to me that the MagicStor is not a microdrive.

Posted by MuVo^2 User on March 13, 2004 at 11:58 AM (CST)


Let me say this one last time.  A Compact Flash card also has the same physical dimensions as a MicroDrive.  A Compact Flash card also has the same purpose as a MicroDrive.  Does that make it a MicroDrive?  NO!  The only thing that makes it more SIMILAR to a MicroDrive is that it is a mechanical drive and not solid-state.

At most, the MagicStor is a CLONE, but it is not even a complete clone.  Let me give you a very simple example.  AMD chips are clones of Intel chips because they work LIKE Intel chips.  In fact, they are practically EQUIVALENT to Intel chips because you can use them anywhere you can use Intel chips.  But no one in the world with half a brain would argue that an AMD chip IS an Intel chip.  They are different products, with different design and engineering.

However, you could at least argue that AMD chips are as good as Intel chips because they can be used interchangeably.  With the MagicStor, even this is not true, as there are a multitude of products which can use the MicroDrive but cannot use the MagicStor.  They are not interchangeable products, it is that simple.  If you still feel that you are right, I challenge you to buy a MagicStor and use it in your MuVo^2 in place of your MicroDrive.

Posted by tonicboy on March 13, 2004 at 3:40 PM (CST)


You’re arguement falls apart b/c you’re only argueing your point based on the term ‘MicroDrive’ as a registered trademark.

Of course a MagicStor will not work in the MuVo^2… but neither does anything else except very certain CF cards (ie. Sandisk CFI 512MB and IBM 1GB MD work well).  A lot of brand name CF cards don’t work, but I do not see your point here.

And like it was shown in the previous statement I made… the Hitachi and MagicStor Microdrives are IDENTICAL physically and operationally… which surpasses your poor example of Intel and AMD chips which are only considered EQUIVALENTS.  IDENTICAL and EQUIVALENT are not the same thing.

You still have not disproven that MagicStor makes and sells microdrives.

Posted by MuVo^2 on March 13, 2004 at 6:19 PM (CST)


This makes the list amount to 5 manufacturers and producers of microdrives: Iomega:

Posted by Muvo^2 User on March 13, 2004 at 6:32 PM (CST)


I have not made a single argument about the name ‘MicroDrive’, so please give up that ridiculous argument.  I am trying very very hard to make BASIC arguments here that can be followed easily by small children, but obviously it is not working.

In reference to things being IDENTICAL or EQUIVALENT, my argument is that the MagicStor is neither IDENTICAL NOR EQUIVALENT to the MicroDrive.  Just because they list a few similar specifications does NOT make them identical.  If they WERE identical, then they should behave exactly as MicroDrives do, and we have already seen that they don’t.

As for the Iomega drives, they are actually rebranded Hitachi MicroDrives.  From the following link

“Iomega Corporation (NYSE: IOM - news), a global leader in data management solutions, and IBM Corporation (NYSE: IBM - news) have reached an agreement that calls for Iomega to market IBM’s Microdrive(TM) miniaturized hard disk technology under the Iomega brand in North America.”

Clearly, these drives are manufactured by IBM (now Hitachi) and only marketed by Iomega.  Therefore, that still leaves Hitachi as the sole manufacturer of all MicroDrives.

That’s it, please save your breath as I will not respond to any more inane messages.  I am obviously not going to convince you, and anyone reading this thread will be embarassed to read your arguments.  Enjoy your MuVo^2.  I have one myself and can definitively say, they are absolutely awful.

Posted by tonicboy on March 14, 2004 at 6:22 AM (CST)


I am not convinced that Hitachi is the sole producer of MDs as long as MagicStor makes their own MDs.  Apparently I am not alone on this:;=&ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8&q=magicstor+microdrive,1759,1454459,00.asp

It’s too bad that you just can’t admit that there are other manufactures of MDs.  You’ve only argued your point but with no evidence, no proof.  You have yet to show that Hitachi in fact is the sole producer of MDs.  As long as those links above exist, you’ll never convince me or anyone else.

Posted by MuVo^2 User on March 14, 2004 at 11:39 AM (CST)


Maaaan, Tonic and MuVo… you guys are top of the line “HiJackers of threads”. :p

I believe that developing a slight modification in a product to deny its use in other products. Then adding a +200$ pricetag for good measure ‘despite’ manufacturing costs, should be considered unfair marketing.


Posted by Bingokongen on March 15, 2004 at 8:24 AM (CST)


Just got Muvo2 from amazon (ordered 2 months ago)  Works fine in my digital Rebel
It is considerably slower than my old viking 256 CF.  Previous try with ipod mini failed

When disassembling Muvo2 be careful not to destroy tamper evident label covering screw in battery compartment

Posted by steve on April 27, 2004 at 5:07 PM (CDT)




You don’t know if it will float or not till you drop it in the tank. I dropped it in the tank. And it sank. That stank.

Did anyone get it to work? Like, in the REAL FRIGGIN WORLD!?? Is there evidence of success, or am I simply stuck with rational sounding once-upon-a-time theories and ass covering nay-saying boilerplates?

Posted by jordi on July 18, 2005 at 11:13 PM (CDT)


Hitachi you stink for making drives and deviating from developing and or adhearing to any sort of industry standards that would have otherwise made these parts more useful to end users after the original products had failed or ceased to be useful.

My 4gb iPod died, again. So I parted it out and wanted to use it in my Toshiba Pocket PC e740.

Which is possible as it detects the drive, and since your inconsiderate marketing strategies have left me with drivers for MIPS and a few other embedded cpus and NOT the Widely used ARM and Pocket PC Platform, this drive is going in the garbage where it belongs..

I cant wait to see Hitachi go out of business, and Hitachi, your desktop drives stunk, everyone knows that, Maybe thats why you got your sorry ass out of the game..

Poor product support means unhappy end users, unhappy end users mean your ass is going out of business.


Posted by hitachi sucks on August 25, 2008 at 6:43 AM (CDT)

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