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iPod mini video review

“Okay, I’ve unpacked the iPod mini, charged it (it takes an hour for an 80% charge), transferred over my iTunes music and I’m impressed.
Since they aren’t available yet in the stores - indeed my local Apple store only has a handmade cardboard cutout to simulate it’s size and heft - I figured a video demo is the best way to convey my initial impressions until you can see your own mini up close in person.”

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21

I agree with Xenios - How long did it take for the 3G iPods to suddenly grow in capacity (from 15 to 20gigs and 30 to 40gigs), six months?

Posted by YYWWVV on February 18, 2004 at 12:29 PM (PDT)

22

How can anyone say the mini isnt competing with flash players.  Check out this link for a 512mb MPIO.  It costs $250.  Sure there are other 512mb flash players that are cheaper but they dont have anywhere near the features.  I understand that this thing is about a third of the weight but how small do mp3 players have to get before people realize it doesnt matter.  Would you rather have a 512mb flash player with no cool features and no where near the cool factor, or a 4gb player that supports audible, itunes can sync with your computer, has a great user interface (the scroll wheel is awesome) and look cool doin it.

Posted by Nate on February 18, 2004 at 12:35 PM (PDT)

23

Whoops here it is
http://www.bestbuy.com/site/olspage.jsp?id=1062718703168&skuId=6013119&type=product&productCategoryId=pcmcat10200050002

Posted by Nate on February 18, 2004 at 12:36 PM (PDT)

24

“I understand that this thing is about a third of the weight but how small do mp3 players have to get before people realize it doesnt matter”

I never thought I’d see the day when an iPod user was arguing that having a larger player was better! Is the iPod now on the Dark Side or what?

Are you saying all those iRiver and Creative and Archos people were right all along? For an extra couple of ounces and an inch or so, they get FM, recording, more hard disk, longer battery and so on. Crap!

Posted by size isn't everything on February 18, 2004 at 12:53 PM (PDT)

25

As long as an object has to physically interact with people, there will be a point at which smaller isn’t necessarily better. 
A one-ounce keychain player may seem good, but its tiny buttons or lack of multiple controls can become a real problem. Yep.

Posted by joshuamarx on February 18, 2004 at 1:15 PM (PDT)

26

Does this dude not have a friend who could shoot the video so he can use two hands? He had trouble putting the iPod in the dock because his depth perception was all whacked out.

And if he’s such a great technology writer, why wouldn’t he bother to look up the exact specs instead of guessing at the iPods’ thicknesses?

Posted by jerseyfreeze on February 18, 2004 at 1:20 PM (PDT)

27

“I agree it’s overpriced - but I still bought one.”

I also think the mini is waaay overpriced - I bought two. 

Fedex.com is prolly taking a record amount of hits with all the mini owners checking every five minutes…uh..no I’m not obcessed. ;P

Posted by duffy in Dallas on February 18, 2004 at 1:20 PM (PDT)

28

“I think people who buy Flash players have already rejected hjard disk players as too big, too bulky, and too power hungry. “

I think you’re completely wrong (no offense).  I think Joe consumer isn’t even aware what a hard disk player is.  All they know is player A costs $200 and holds 2 hours of music.  Player B costs $250 and holds DAYS of music.  If Joe wants to go do something for more than two hours and not listen to the same song twice he/she is going to by player B.  Player B is perceived as the better deal.

Generally, if someone can afford a $200 player they can cough up another $50 for a mini.  The jump from $200 to $300 (15gb iPod) is a bit larger step (50% price jump).  For alot of people you have to figure in the law of diminishing returns…for example:

$200 gets me two hours, but I really want more music.  Apple has the iPod for $50 more.  With a mini I can store DAYS of music now and the kicker is that it’s only $50 more!  I can go buy a 15GB iPod, but that thing holds more music than I could possibly ever want, it’s larger and heavier, and it’s $100 more.  Why would I spend $100 more for functionality that I’ll never use? 

Human psychology at it’s finest.  Keep in mind that most of the people buying an iPod are technophobes so they have different perceptions than alot of us here. 

Posted by duffy in Dallas on February 18, 2004 at 1:38 PM (PDT)

29

Whilst the iPod Mini may “take some beating” the song ‘playing’ needs a good beating wink

Bit of a shaky vid but good on him for having it to view so quickly. It’s certainly small.

Posted by bobsyerunkle on February 18, 2004 at 1:43 PM (PDT)

30

Great video review. For all those that keep harping about the price, stop it. These are probably the same people that harp about apple not going for bigger market share.

Well, the mini is meant to get another segment in the market => larger market share. So give apple a break ok.

Posted by Marcus on February 18, 2004 at 1:47 PM (PDT)

31

“It sounds even better, maybe…because…it’s new…”

And, “the iPod Mini is a half inch thick, and the old one, is, I dunno, maybe 3/4 inch thick.”

How did this guy get to where he is, anyway?

Posted by Layton on February 18, 2004 at 1:53 PM (PDT)

32

Some real dorks here, I see.  Give the guy a break, it was a good review.  He was saying it’s noticeably thinner than the original, and I was smart enough to get his point—I guess some of you weren’t.

Posted by Nicky G on February 18, 2004 at 1:58 PM (PDT)

33

“All they know is player A costs $200 and holds 2 hours of music. Player B costs $250 and holds DAYS of music.”

If it was just about size and capacity then more people would be buying these 20GB mp3 players for $130.

The Flash players atart around $60, and go to the extreme high-end near $300.

So the iPod Mini is already at the high end of the “Flash” market.

In this market, the difference is between $100 (barely affordable, but impulsive) and $150 (50% increase, no longer an impulse, but nice).

Think about it. The average selling price for Flash players is like $115 or so. The iPod Mini is twice that. Think of a bell curve - the iPod Mini is an outlier, skewed way off to the right of the chart.

It’s a different market.

The competitors to the iPod Mini are the other extra-small Hard Disk players. It’s got a good chance there.

But there are already some small-factor 20GB competitors:

http://www.archos.com/img/products/290x230/gmini120_spec.jpg

Posted by Size on February 18, 2004 at 2:02 PM (PDT)

34

http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg/detail/-/B00006HYJ3/qid=1077145732/sr=1-1/ref=sr_1_1_etk-electronics/002-7686273-5527224?v=glance&s=electronics&n=172282

You can get this 64mb player for about $50 now.  It has an SD card slot.  A 256mb SD card can be found for $50.  That’s a $100 for a 320mb mp3 player that runs on a single AAA battery. This is what I have.  This is the perfect gym player (solid-state), and 5hrs (128kbps) is plenty enough.

That said, I don’t think the iPod mini is overpriced.  It is well-designed piece of kit, and people will gobble it up rightly without a second thought.  My personal opinion though is that if you already have an iPod, consider the cheaper alternative (above).  And if you don’t, the 20gb iPod is a much better value for only $150 more (3 times the space, dock (line-out!), remote).  hell, You could probably sell the dock and remote to make up the difference.

Posted by 2legit2quit on February 18, 2004 at 2:25 PM (PDT)

35

People need to stop comparing the mini to the iPod. For one, you aren’t getting just any old iPod, you are getting a MINIATURE version of it. It costs money to take everything from the regular iPod and shrink it down to the size of a mini. Not only that, but (like a billion others have already stated)—the mini ISN’T IN COMPETITION WITH ITSELF. If $50 gets you a bigger hard drive, then buy the iPod; if someone else wants a smaller, colorful unit—then let them buy it!

Bastards!

Posted by narco in Burbank on February 18, 2004 at 3:21 PM (PDT)

36

Nice review, but did anyone else cringe as he bounced the mini from his hand, scraped both ‘pods along their docks, and brushed the regular iPod along the desk as though it were nothing?

I never even LOOKED at my iPod sideways, bought two protective cases for it, and it STILL has some scratches. His are cruising for a bruising.

I’m happy he can be so free with his little guys, but I couldn’t stand being so careless with mine. Maybe he could teach a seminar to all us scratchaphobes, ;D

Posted by PrototypeChild on February 18, 2004 at 3:28 PM (PDT)

37

To all those that have been saying the iPod mini is “too expensive"or “it doesn’t compete with flash-based players”, I’d like to relay a personal annecdote.

After the announcement of the iPod mini, three of my buddies and I were at a local bar and the topic of iPods came up. Three of us already had various models of the iPod and the one laggard was ready to purchase an iPod because he had a flash-based one that he never used because “it was a piece of sh*t”.

We were gererally talking about how great the iPod is and how its changed our lives and all those kinda things that iPod owners are apt to do. Someone brought up the iPod mini announcement and immediately we all piped in: “its too expensive”, “it doesn’t hold enough”, “Who would buy that when you can get an iPod for only $50 more?!?”

Then the laggard piped up. “Yeah, my girlfriend loves it. She’s already decided to get one.” Then, from around the table all of us jumped in, “My girlfriend/wife too!”. Now these are women that, maybe 6 months earlier, had no idea what an MP3 was, let alone and MP3 player.

We all kinda shut up for a second until someone finally said what we had all realized… “Well, I guess THATS who will buy the iPod minis.”

Now we’ve all come to realize, there’s a lot of people that will buy these things. Sure, there priced at a bit of a premium… but so are iPods - and they are worth every penny. Everything at the low to mid price point ($50 - $200) in MP3 players is complete cr*p. Also, the minis will come down in price over time. I wouldn’t be surprised if the current mini goes to $199 or so in 6 months and Apple maybe introduces an 8G model at the original $249 price. It makes sense, and with 100,000 pre-orders, it seems like its working for Apple.

Posted by Dignon on February 18, 2004 at 3:31 PM (PDT)

38

#####, moan, predict or hypothesize… do whatever you want.

Judging it on price, everyone seems to miss the real problem… all MP3 players are too expensive.  But all that will be worked out as the devices become more mainstream.

The mini should be $150 and the 15gb should be $200.  No, make that $100 and $150.  They will hit that price sooner than we know it.  The only problem is that everyone in this forum lives on the edge… we’re early adopters and we must pay the price.

Apple is playing a game with consumers.  They want to maintain their pricepoint by increasing capacity and decreasing size.  Soon people will realize what they really want is a low buy-in price.  Smaller cases and bigger hard drives will not allow the market to grow… only accessible pricing will.

Apple is already poised to make a huge ricing change by partnering with HP.  Guarantee the HP will be priced to sell.

Enjoy your mini at $250 and don’t be upset when double the capacity is selling for 1/2 the price.

Posted by BigSid in Los Angeles on February 18, 2004 at 3:49 PM (PDT)

39

Dignon, I hope you had a chaperone when you were in the bar, since when were you old enough to drink?  3 macho guys discussing their ipods at a pub, now that’s rich!

Your statement that all $50-200 flash-based players are crap, is a typical crap statement, and only proves that the iPod’s demographic is rich college kids with money to burn.

Posted by 2legit2quit on February 18, 2004 at 3:55 PM (PDT)

40

“we’re early adopters and we must pay the price”

Dude, the bleeding edge were the Diamond Rio buyers of the first MP3 players back in 1997/98. I bought one and it was a wild ride.

The early adopters were the buyers of the Creative, Compaq, and Archos players back in 2000. I bought one and it was rewarding, but heavy!

The iPod was the first “mass market” mp3 player… light on technology, heavy on simple features and ease of use. I bought one and it is pretty easy to use, but does demand a lot of full-on attention to use the UI on the main device. I’d prefer an LCD remote.

You are right when you say that we are now seeing commodification. The Chinese, Koreans, and Japanese are coming.

Soon Apple will face a hundred competitors all selling iPod workalike/lookalikes for $100.

This happened with DVD Players. I remember paying $400 for mine in 1999 and I thought it was a bargain!

This Korean player is the closest I’ve seen yet to a brazen iPod knock-off:

http://www.nextway.co.kr/

http://www.nextway.co.kr/images/products/temp.jpg
http://nextway.rhas.co.kr/event/150d/2.jpg

Posted by party 1999 on February 18, 2004 at 4:00 PM (PDT)

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