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iPod+hp arrives in stores - early

Six days ahead of the September 15 scheduled release date, Hewlett-Packard’s version of the iPod - the “Apple iPod from HP” - is now available in retail stores. iLounge’s Dennis Lloyd spotted “a huge number” of units for sale at the popular Fry’s Electronics chain in Southern California, with 20GB and 40GB units consuming two full store shelves at a store. The units use partially different packaging, such that the 20GB model includes imagery of a woman in a room, while the 40GB version depicts a man on the street, each wearing the distinctive stylized white earbud cords that appear prominently in new HP advertising. As expected, the units retail for $299.99 and $399.99, respectively.

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101

Listen,
I’m not going to slam HP—they made a good decision, and I like the fact that unlike Dell, they pride themselves on creating technologies.

But I find some of the comments here absolutely ridiculous. Here’s one comment, for example, by “Mike”:

“You see how Apple are the desperate ones here? If anything Apple SOLD their “sole”, they just happened to find a buyer in HP.  “

How in the world is Apple desperate? Dell’s music player sucks, and HP HAS NO MUSIC PLAYER. HP helps Apple sell more iPods, but the iPod would still be the leading HD music player without HP. Without Apple, HP WOULD HAVE NO MUSIC PLAYER. Where is the dependency here? How does apple “need” HP desperately when the iPod is the market leader? Use some reason.

Posted by Questioner on September 13, 2004 at 1:19 AM (CDT)

102

Understand something else—What, after all, is the iPod? A hard drive, memory, and processors—all things that PC makers deal in. Why would HP sell iPods, considering how your typical PC user feels about Apple? Why not make their own music player? Because they feel that Apple’s product is better than one that they could bring to market in the forseeable future; in other words, they didn’t want to put out a dud like the DJ.

The iTunes / iPod combination is better than anything else out there, and at this point, no PC maker is able to make a decent competitor. How is this a powerless position? Why does this success signify failure? For that matter, why are you at iPodlounge and not at Dell DJ Lounge?

Posted by Questioner on September 13, 2004 at 1:31 AM (CDT)

103

Big Sid, just for the record, Apple’s Support was always 90 Days, but know it’s just one incident in that 90 Days unless you purchase the Apple Care

Posted by Snowy in Australia on September 13, 2004 at 3:24 AM (CDT)

104

“considering how your typical PC user feels about Apple”

What the typical PC user feels about Apple is…we don’t care one way or the other about Apple, it’s just another company.  This emotional attachment so many Apple users have is just silly.  Why do you waste so much time arguing over how great a company it is.  Do you think Steve Jobs really cares about you at all?  He’s trying to make money just like Bill Gates and everyone else.

Posted by Steve Jobs doesn't love you on September 13, 2004 at 9:15 AM (CDT)

105

“He’s trying to make money just like Bill Gates and everyone else.”

What about my posts lead you to believe that I believe otherwise? Where is this “emotional attachment” expressed? Go back and read the posts, dumbsh-t. The problem with Gates is that he puts out Windows, which sucks. If Windows were as good as OSX, I wouldn’t hesitate to buy it. If HP’s iPod were significantly cheaper than Apple’s then I would buy that as well.

Posted by Questioner on September 13, 2004 at 1:45 PM (CDT)

106

Talking Madness what planet you live in?!

HP’s iPod is nothing but a futile attempt by a failing company to look hype and cool.  The “Apple iPod by HP” (wow really cool name, huu?!) is nothing but a futile effort from Carly Fiorina to distract people from the fact that HP is becoming a hollow company… The only place where HP shows inventiveness is int heir logo.  As for Apple - this deal is win-win for them: they secure iPod sales through one more channel given HP price structure has to match that of Apple and, much more importantly, now good ‘ol Steve has hundreds of thouthands of PCs with their iTunes software PRE-installed directing customers to THEIR store…  Well done Apple.  As for HP - they better get rid of their egomaniac, self-centered & miopic CEO soon before her incompetence kills their printing bussines as well.  Maybe Steve Jobs can fix HP as well!

Posted by S-Angelos on September 13, 2004 at 7:26 PM (CDT)

107

S-Angelos-

I’m from the planet Earth.  Where are you from?

You’re making the same point I made, but when I said it, it seems to have went over your head.  Let me try to restate my POV so that maybe you will get it this time, and understand that we (along with others who have tried to flame me) are saying the same thing.

HP is not as cool as Apple.  But, in an attempt to sell more iPods through HP’s channels, Apple has let HP take some of Apple’s coolness.  Because of this branding move by Apple, some people will think HP is the maker of the iPod.  People on this site know that Apple makes both versions, but not everyone in the world is the iPod fanatic that we are here.

PERFECT EXAMPLE: Look at Sunday’s (9/12) CompUSA ad.  It says “Introducing the HP iPod”.  It’s on the front of their ad, and it doesn’t mention Apple at all.  It has the HP logo, but not the Apple logo.

Soon people will think the iPod is a device that is made by at least two manufacturers (maybe more if Apple continues to let others brand it).

This isn’t bad for Apple’s bottom line, but it does allow others to claim to be just as cool, and my point is that above everything else Apple’s SOUL was its coolness.  This is why I say they sold their SOUL.

Believe me, when you go to a store to get an iPod from this point on, salespeople will assume (probably assume correctly) that you are there to get an HP iPod.  This is simply because 98% of users are PC oriented and HP iPods will most likely have discounts that Apple products don’t.

The move was good for sales, but bad for branding.

Posted by Talking Madness on September 13, 2004 at 9:21 PM (CDT)

108

Talking Madness is making sense…..

PERFECT EXAMPLE: Look at Sunday’s (9/12) CompUSA ad. It says “Introducing the HP iPod”. It’s on the front of their ad, and it doesn’t mention Apple at all. It has the HP logo, but not the Apple logo.

Posted by Good Point on September 13, 2004 at 9:24 PM (CDT)

109

This is huge. iPods are now everywhere from Radio Shack to Best Buy to Target to Office Depot. But that’s nothing compared to having iTunes/Quicktime installed by default on every HP computer. Having Apple’s media software on the 2nd largest PC maker’s computers must be maddening for Microsoft. This move by Apple has long-term strategic implications. 2004 will not be like 1984.

Posted by synthmeister on September 13, 2004 at 9:28 PM (CDT)

110

Here’s why I will buy an HP Ipod: If I buy the Apple branded Ipod and have trouble using it with my Compaq pc, Apple & HP are going to bounce me back & forth, each saying it is the other’s problem. With the HP Ipod, HP will have to take responsibility either way.

Posted by Roger on September 13, 2004 at 9:54 PM (CDT)

111

Questioner: did you EVEN read my post?  The HP+Ipod deal has come TOTALLY out of Apple’s NEED to get iTunes preloaded on PCs so they can sell music.  They can’t hope to compete with the MSN music store on the PC side if they can’t get iTunes in the door.  HP on the other hand, doesn’t NEED the ipod, it’s just a good way for them to boost their image and make a few bucks.

Posted by Mike on September 14, 2004 at 4:39 PM (CDT)

112

Putting NEED in caps doesn’t make your argument any more persuasive.

Apple without HP: no change in position—1st in HD music players, 1st in downloads.

HP is not selling iPods to “boost their image.” C. Fiorina, when first announcing the HPod, said that HP wanted a music player to help create a PC that would integrate media functions.

Posted by Questioner on September 14, 2004 at 8:37 PM (CDT)

113

Questioner-

Of course HP is selling iPods to boost their image.  They want to have the hippest MP3 player.  They want to get people thinking that HP is cool while their R&D department plans out an iPod replacement.

Posted by Talking Madness on September 14, 2004 at 9:21 PM (CDT)

114

How the hell are you ignoring the iTunes Music Store twice now? 

I thought i was pretty clear about this.  HP didn’t approach Apple and say “hey, we’d sure like to sell rebranded iPods”.

Apple approached HP and said “we want iTunes on every HP and Compaq computer sold, what do we need to do”. 

I’m not saying Apple as a business is desperate, but you people are making it sound like HP is taking advantage of Apple in some way, and you couldn’t be more wrong.

Posted by Mike on September 14, 2004 at 9:55 PM (CDT)

115

Wow what a bunch of ipod fanboys. I can see the apples in yer eyes…who cares who markets, sells, or promotes the item so long as it has the features and quality you want from it? Big whooptie friggin-doo. Apple rocks, my HP printer rocks, and whiny, obsessively loyal fans don’t! Grow up!

Posted by URIPODGROUPIES on September 23, 2004 at 9:45 PM (CDT)

116

Oh, and how much are some of you being paid to swear allegiance to the united states of apple? Brainwashed or something is wrong…

Posted by URIPODGROUPIES on September 23, 2004 at 9:47 PM (CDT)

117

I work for a retail chain that has just started to carry the new HP iPods. We have traditionally been a big retail channel for HP, and as such, were one of the first major retailers to carry these in a ‘brick and mortar’ type store. As such I have had the opportunity to get some information on the HP iPod as well as talk to our corporate support folks for HP, and get information which the general public might not have access to.

1.) The HP iPod is *identical* to the Apple packaged models. Upon inspection, the only difference is indeed the packaging. The serial no. series is even identical to one of my friend’s Apple packaged iPod which he bought less than a month ago.
2.) The HP iPods aren’t even manufactured in a different place or by an ‘HP vendor.’ There are three main subcontractor supplier/vendors for Apple…the first batch of HP units which we got in were actually PO’d by Apple and sent to an HP distribution facility where they were packaged in the HP boxes and then sent to us.
3.) HP’s agreement with Apple is bascially for distribution only. HP gets a small cut of the profit from the sale…but it’s not like HP is getting all of it. Apple still maintains the rights and most of the profit. I asked our rep if they had licensed the design and I was told that HP can’t even decide to produce their own iPod, basically they have to buy the units from Apple’s suppliers and sell them in HP packaging. The agreement basically was designed to increase sales of the iPod by selling it in retail channels that HP has already established (ie., stores like us that sell HP already but have never had an agreement with Apple.)
4.) All of our new HP/Compaq computers are coming preloaded with iTunes and have a little button on the desktop to buy music from iTunes and include an order form for the HP iPod. There’s going to be a big marketing push in the next few months that really give emphasis to the iTunes store and the fact that you ‘Can do everything with HP.’
5.) At this point HP does not have an agreement with Apple to co-brand the iPod mini. From what I have heard, the mini’s are backordered at a lot of retail stores across the country. We can special order them but we were told to expect a 3-4 month wait for them. There is a holdup at the manufacturing point and new stock is given to ‘official’ Apple retailers before it is given to others like us, that have a corporate buyer trying to get their hands on stock.

Posted by The Zipper Seven on October 2, 2004 at 4:56 PM (CDT)

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