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iTunes Japan delayed by ‘inadequate DRM’

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By Dennis Lloyd

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Published: Wednesday, September 8, 2004
News Categories: iTunes

“According to the report, ITMS Japan has met with opposition from a number of local music labels who claim that FairPlay is “inadequate” and are thus refusing to license their songs to Apple.

At issue is the Mac maker’s insistence that consumer should be allowed to burn downloaded songs to CD, a facility offered by the US, UK, German and France versions of ITMS.”

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1

If they insist Apple not allow CD burning, then I’m glad Apple hasn’t caved. Wow!

(And supposedly some of the opposition comes from local labels who are actually part of Sony.)

Posted by Nagromme on September 8, 2004 at 8:02 AM (PDT)

2

No CD burning? And here I thought Godzilla was the only thing that scared the Japanese.

.narco

Posted by narco in Burbank on September 8, 2004 at 8:12 AM (PDT)

3

CDs are seriously overpriced in Japan, and the labels are just scared that iTunes Japan will provide a killer alternative and send the Japanese music retail business into a price freefall - and rightly so.

Posted by Zaccix on September 8, 2004 at 8:25 AM (PDT)

4

Canada, Canada, Canada!

You know that country above you Steve!!

Posted by LSC on September 8, 2004 at 10:12 AM (PDT)

5

Can you say Sony?
I wonder if this is just connections that Sony has to delay iTunes locally until they have something that is actually decent online.

Posted by Jeremy on September 8, 2004 at 10:22 AM (PDT)

6

so instead of paying to dl their fav singles they’ll just rent a crapload of cds and rip them all.

music capitalists = stuuupid

Posted by greedy poo on September 8, 2004 at 11:41 AM (PDT)

7

BTW, all of the “COPY CONTROL” CDs in Japan are all easily rippable.  I’ve seen people rip every single form of copy control, straight to iTunes, some folks right in the CD rental stores with their laptops…

Posted by Japan Music Industry Sux My wee wee on September 8, 2004 at 12:52 PM (PDT)

8

Jesus, f**k that bs from Japan. What a joke. Really puts perspective on ‘how bad’ our DRM rights are here in the US..

Posted by bedoughty in Denver, CO on September 8, 2004 at 12:53 PM (PDT)

9

cd rental stores? that sounds like a really dumb idea to control piracy.

Posted by confused on September 8, 2004 at 1:06 PM (PDT)

10

Dear LSC - another reason Canada won’t get iTunes anytime soon is the recent court ruling saying it’s LEGAL to download songs off Kazaa/Limewire etc. We pay the tariff on CDs and players, so get free music. Our record industries fooked themselves by setting that up, and are scared to screw up things further with iTunes. They’re scared to do anything now.

Posted by Backbacon on September 8, 2004 at 4:27 PM (PDT)

11

CD rental has existed in Japan for a long time, thanks to the high prices of CDs (singles about US $10, albums around US $30 plus). Yep, and you thought CDs are overpriced in the US. This is also why MD has become really popular before the boom of MP3 DAPs.

As long as the CD rentals exist, I don’t thing Apple should have any problems selling those iPods. I do hope Apple can get some agreements with labels such as Avex, a major music label in Japan, and allow the songs to be available on the US.

I don’t see what Sony has to do with this, since iTMS is fine in the US, UK, etc, where Sony records also exist. FYI, Sony is not the only music label. This is more like what the article said, the Japanese recording companies (not Sony on its own) are afraid of the “too low” price of iTMS (assuming that Apple insist of selling music at US 99c equivalent). To be honest, why bother with iTMS if you can ge CD quality via CD rentals. smile

Posted by So? on September 8, 2004 at 5:56 PM (PDT)

12

Silly consumers thinking they should be able to listen to their purchased music whereever they want….  I tell ya.  Kids these days.

Posted by m.sherman on September 9, 2004 at 3:14 AM (PDT)

13

It almost sounds like Apple will HAVE to charge more or iTunes just won’t happen in Japan. If CDs are THAT much more expensive, and if a CD rental costs about the same as an iTunes download (according to AtAT), then they’ll NEVER agree to let Apple come in and put them all out of business.

But if Apple charges more and yet—for that market—is still competitive enough to be popular, I can see it working out. Apple makes more money per song, people have new and cheaper options than before, and the existing music industry survives.

(I’m not saying it’s fair pricing, just that I can see it working out that way.)

Posted by Nagromme on September 9, 2004 at 10:36 AM (PDT)

14

There is this country called Canada, they have people that live there.  People that have purchased *many* Ipods…...
Steve, just in case you don’t know where Canada is, look north dude!!  Funny thing that Japan is more important….

Posted by killer on September 9, 2004 at 11:25 AM (PDT)

15

Actually, whoever mentioned Avex is pretty smart. They’re more powerful than Sony in Japan in terms of A&R. No way is iTunes going there anytime soon. I mentioned Kazaa to a colleague of mine when I worked there, and he was dumbfounded by the concept.

Posted by DC-Japan on September 9, 2004 at 1:16 PM (PDT)

16

what???? cd rentals??? how lame and dumb is that in Japan to allow cd rentals where people can just RENT the cd and then encode it into ITUNES with 320 AAC, and then return the cd!!! And the Stupid record labels want to STOP APPLE from opening the ITMS because people can copy only 7 times. Oh thats Japanese logic for you, they are just scared as hell that an American company will dominate them in Music forever, and wethher they like it or not, there cutesy marketshare on Music belongs in the USA, where all good music exists and started…THEY should outllaw cd rentals and i say the record labels in the US should boycott JAPAN!!!!

Posted by leonardo on September 9, 2004 at 1:21 PM (PDT)

17

leonardo: Do you know that US artists/actors are going as far as starring for commercials and showing up at variety shows in Japan? That show you how important is the Japanese market for US music/entertainment industry.

Yup, you’re happy with 128kbps AAC, while Japanese people get perfect CD quality thanks to CD rental. Again, CD rental in Japan has existed LONG before MP3 downloads. To just outlaw this would be very stupid, since CD rentals are already a continuous revenue for the recording companies, while iTMS is just starting.

Posted by LOL on September 9, 2004 at 5:16 PM (PDT)

18

All of you seem to igonoring the fact that Japanese CD rentals does not provide CDs from US/UK wherever for a year after its release.
It means that although we hear top40s of US/UK chart on radio, we are not allowed to rent a CD of that music for a year.
If we want to have the latest music, we have to buy those high priced CDs.

Add to that, most of the rental CD stores does not keep CDs for long time.  So, if we want to have the slightly old and minor songs, we also have to buy expensive CDs.

I live in Japan and I am sick of this situation.  I would love to buy songs from iTMS if and ever it starts in Japan.

Posted by Ellie in Japan on September 9, 2004 at 6:44 PM (PDT)

19

to those wining about no canada store, AGAIN - Japan is the 2nd biggest music market after the USA. It is a far bigger priority for Apple to get iTunes up and running in Japan.

Posted by Nathan on September 13, 2004 at 4:08 AM (PDT)

20

“It means that although we hear top40s of US/UK chart on radio, we are not allowed to rent a CD of that music for a year.
If we want to have the latest music, we have to buy those high priced CDs.”

Imported CD’s in Japan are cheaper than local ones.  It’s not quite as cheap as US CD’s but it’s certainly afforable.  Most of my collection was purchased when I was living in Japan.

Posted by unknown-soldier on September 14, 2004 at 4:51 AM (PDT)

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