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Jobs says open iPod “not worth it”

“Apple Computer CEO Steve Jobs publicly dismissed on Thursday an overture from RealNetworks to open up the iPod, saying such a move does not make business sense.

Speaking at Apple’s annual shareholder meeting here, Jobs said there would be both an initial and ongoing cost to allowing the iPod to work with other music services.

‘To be honest, it’s just not worth it,’ Jobs said, noting that RealNetworks has made a number of overtures to Apple and adding that Real’s music service has been ‘less than successful.’”

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1

Personally, I’m not convinced that Apple should open the iPod.  But for the Apple hata’s, this isn’t the policy-against-Mac-clones equivalent.  Anyone can adopt AAC and run with it; free of charge, I believe. 

Quit your whining RealNetwork.  Get out now, while you still have something to rub together, Glasser. 

Posted by matthew on April 22, 2004 at 1:10 PM (PDT)

2

“can adopt AAC and run with it; free of charge, I believe.”

Myth #1
AAC is free.

It is not. It is controlled by Via Licensing and hardware and software manufacturers have to pay significant up-front and per-item license fees.

In fact, WMA is actually cheaper to license than AAC!

Myth #1
FairPlay is open.

It is not. Apple bought the company that developed the FairPlay DRM and shut down its licensing program. Therefore it is currently impossible for any other company but Apple to make FairPlay-enabled AACs (or any other codec).

The solution? Ogg Vorbis. Superior quality, totally free of licensing restrictions, cool logo.

Posted by Myth on April 22, 2004 at 1:16 PM (PDT)

3

Can Ogg have DRM? If not Apple will not be able to use it for iTMS. End of argument.

Posted by pomegranate on April 22, 2004 at 2:06 PM (PDT)

4

Of course WMA is cheaper, MS priced it low in an attempt to get the masses to adopt it. Non DRM’d AAC however is an open standard at least, not closed like WMA. DRM in any form sucks - including Apple’s fairplay AAC IMHO.

Apple has no good reason to open fairplay, in fact it would be a poor business decision right now.

Some tech writers have compared fairplay AAC vrs. DRM WMA to Beta vrs. VHS, which is stupid at best and makes me laugh. AAC and WMA are simple codec’s which, even DRM’d, can be converted into any other codec fairly quickly and easily on the same machine. Not so in the days of Beta/VHS, the tapes were different, the playback machines were different and expensive - to change between the two formats you would have to have both machines costing >$1000, both tape types and it would be real-time transferring - minute for minute. I guess what I’m saying is the codecs don’t really matter, use what you like.

I have an iPod (using Windows) and use MP3 and AAC codecs for playback. I have no interest in WMA or Real’s DRM’d AAC because I can’t use them. If I ever decide to purchase DRM’d tracks - I’ll get them from iTunes. Apple knows this and is currently adding ~700-800,000 potential customers every 3 months.

Ogg Vorbis support for the iPod, while I don’t really care, would be a good move for Apple - it would give iPod users another choice.

Posted by WMWHAT on April 22, 2004 at 2:10 PM (PDT)

5

as long as the ipod plays mp3s, i couldn’t care less if they open it up.  Apple innovated the online music market and these other companies just can’t catch up.  Arguing over lossy codecs is pointless imo and I’m happy with mp3.  I don’t expect pristine audio quality from my digital music player (though 200VBR mp3s sound great to me).

Posted by dave on April 22, 2004 at 2:18 PM (PDT)

6

granted having the option of playing ogg and wma’s amongst others would be nice but is it that hard to just rip all your cd’s at aac or mp3….in my 7700 song collection i have about 100 wma’s but ya know what i burnt them ripped them and walla…(is it that big a deal in audio quality..if so maybe apple isnt for you!

Posted by rivlinm on April 22, 2004 at 3:45 PM (PDT)

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“Some tech writers have compared fairplay AAC vrs. DRM WMA to Beta vrs. VHS, which is stupid at best and makes me laugh. AAC and WMA are simple codec’s which, even DRM’d, can be converted into any other codec fairly quickly and easily on the same machine.”

Are you a retard?  You think a public that can’t set the clock on their VCR is about to go happily converting between competing formats?  Think again, harder this time.

Posted by MeshAir on April 22, 2004 at 4:09 PM (PDT)

8

Save yourselves while you can… only encode MP3’s.

Apple is not your friend.  They are going to be the first to raise prices on downloaded music from 99 cents to $2.49.

99 cent songs are gonna be the death of the music industry and they know it.  By offering the one or two good songs off an album for 99 cents, the labels are trading $1.98 in downloads for a $13.99 CD purchase.

They’re gonna raise prices, and what may seem like an acceptable deal now (I personally don’t thing 99 cents a song is a great deal) will soon seem like highway robbery at $2.49.

Don’t fall for the hype.

Posted by BigSid in Los Angeles on April 22, 2004 at 4:46 PM (PDT)

9

“Can Ogg have DRM?”

Yes it can. Ogg is just a container protocol, and you can wrap it with FairPlay or any other DRM tech you want.

Ogg can itself wrap Vorbis, which is the lossy, open music codec. It also wraps Ogg Media, or OGM, which is an open standard that functions like DVD’s VOBs, enabling multiple audio tracks multiplexed with video frames. Where it scores extra is that its suybtitles are not stored as low-res bitmaps, like DVD’s VOB’s, but as time-indexed text streams, so they can be rendered in any desired font, or language, and are searchable.

“Non DRM’d AAC however is an open standard at least, not closed like WMA.”

No, it’s not, insofar as most reasonable people define “open”. The algorithms and protocols for both WMA and AAC have been submitted to ISO and are openly available, though patented. To actually use either AAC or WMA you must pay licensing.

This is as distinct from Ogg, which is both open, non-patented, and free.

So the issue really comes down to the different definitions different people have about “free”. It’s not just free-to-use, or free-to-read, or free-to-copy, or free-to-modify, but a synthesis of all of them.

Posted by Ogg on April 22, 2004 at 4:48 PM (PDT)

10

Apple is officially now at the level that Microsoft is at.

Both want money, and both don’t want to share anything.

Posted by Adam on April 22, 2004 at 7:32 PM (PDT)

11

(Meshair said: “Are you a retard? You think a public that can’t set the clock on their VCR is about to go happily converting between competing formats? Think again, harder this time”.)

People who can’t set the clock on their VCR are hardly going to have a smooth time with computers in general, let alone MP3 players. Times have changed cretin, the people using MP3 players can easily learn to change codecs, after all they own computers and have some basic knowledge - which means they are smart enough to convert from say WMA to MP3 or AAC to MP3 or MP3 to Ogg Vorbis.

THE POINT WAS, THE CODECS DON"T REALLY MATTER. USE WHATEVER YOU LIKE. IF YOU HAVE AN iPOD, WHICH IS WHAT THIS SITE IS ABOUT - USE MP3 OR AAC. SIMPLE. 

It was my opinion, which I have a right to. No need for a personal attack, can’t understand that, are you a tech writer who has compred the audio codec’s to Beta/VHS?

Posted by WMHAT Meshair? on April 22, 2004 at 8:33 PM (PDT)

12

I hate big rich companys trying to monopolize something (iPod) . Apple wants total control over iPod. They should share it. Even M$ has their WMA lisense-able.

Posted by Booksacool1 on April 22, 2004 at 9:14 PM (PDT)

13

iPod users are so smart that half of them have no idea how to even create a blank file.

http://www.ipodlounge.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=5365&perpage=15&pagenumber=1

Times have changed…  but retards haven’t.

Posted by WMHAT is not a retard. He's "special" on April 22, 2004 at 10:03 PM (PDT)

14

I’ve said it before and I’ll say it again:

Ogg on the iPod is idiotic. The battery will last for a couple of hours at most….

Posted by Adam on April 22, 2004 at 11:46 PM (PDT)

15

Apple and Microsoft are both private companies; of course they’d do everything they can to maximize profits and increase shareholder value. Since when was this a bad thing? Not everything can run under the open-source type mindset.

Posted by Andy Lin on April 23, 2004 at 4:28 AM (PDT)

16

Dude the record companies want to raise the price for singles. You know since singles sell albums? You ever notice single CDs at the store? They are like a few bucks or more. The idea here is to make it economically in your interest to buy the entire album. Why? Cause thats the business model the record companies use and they don’t wanna change it. People almost always buy the entire Album on CD and not the single CD and the record companies want the same thing to happen online. So quit complaining and buy the entire album for $9.99 instead of a single song for $2.49.

Posted by Joe Mama on April 23, 2004 at 5:53 AM (PDT)

17

What unmitigated gall! How dare Apple try to monopolize the iPod and maximize its profits! I’ve never heard of such a thing!

Posted by oxhead on April 23, 2004 at 8:34 AM (PDT)

18

“People who can’t set the clock on their VCR are hardly going to have a smooth time with computers in general, let alone MP3 players. Times have changed cretin, the people using MP3 players can easily learn to change codecs, after all they own computers and have some basic knowledge - which means they are smart enough to convert from say WMA to MP3 or AAC to MP3 or MP3 to Ogg Vorbis.”

You have NO idea, do you…  My god…  Maybe you’re happy in your little group of techie friends, but try living in the real world and you will finally get a taste of how intimidated some people can feel about anything with more than 2 buttons.

Posted by MeshAir on April 23, 2004 at 1:26 PM (PDT)

19

Apple may not want to create an open device, but the good folks at the Linux on the iPod project (ipodlinux.sourceforge.net) are going to make an end run around Apple.

Posted by Mountain Man on April 24, 2004 at 7:21 PM (PDT)

20

Bunch of whiney babies. You can’t just accept the fact that Apple is doing something great. Just because your ignorance makes you afraid of Apple products, you have to be aggressive.

First, Apple won’t be responsible for the higher prices. The iron grip of the RIAA will. Take your complaints to Sony/Columbia, the leader in all of this.

Second, Apple is pushing their product, not monopolizing. AAC is coproduced by Apple. What you’re asking Apple to do by opening up to WMA or Real is equivalent to asking them to put Pentiums in their computers. That’s absurd! They are only interested in their own product. That’s what makes it worlds different than M$.

Third, if you so passionately desire WMA, get a freakin’ Archos. Quit your whining about iPod. Obviously if this means so much to you, you prefer the iPod for some reason. And as long as it plays Wave or AIFF, then quit complaining. It plays the best format possible. Or hey, if you like the iPod so much, but want to play WMA (kinda contraDICKtory), convert it, since it’s so wonderful.

Posted by Wolf on April 25, 2004 at 10:07 AM (PDT)

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