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Shares of Apple were boosted Monday by a report from Caris analyst Mark Stahlman, who said that the company will soon introduce upgraded Macs and a video iPod.

The Dave Matthews Band has posted instructions on how to download songs from its copy-protected album Stand Up into iTunes and onto an iPod. “Please note an easier and more acceptable solution requires cooperation from Apple, who we have already reached out to in hopes of addressing this issue,” the band said on its website.

Wells Fargo is offering a free song download from the iTunes Music Store to anyone who signs up to receive information about its checking accounts. Those who open an account are entered to win one of 125 iBooks.

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1

The walkthrough DMB offers on getting Stand Up ripped into iTunes is pretty cumbersome…but it makes sense for them, because if they revealed the “easy” way to rip the files, then they’d basically be explaining how to defeat the copy protection altogether. All you really need to do is keep the exe file from running when you put the CD in, which, on most systems, is as easy as holding down Shift while putting the disc in.

Posted by Dr. Webster on August 15, 2005 at 3:15 PM (PDT)

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Agreed. It’s good to be on a Mac, so I don’t run into any of these problems. It seems to me that the “solution” these record companies are looking for is for Apple to support Secure Windows Media files. That will never happen. WMA is proprietary and will never become the standard for digital music, no matter how much Microsoft begs and pleads. The only other option is for Apple to license fairplay to the record companies, also something unlikely since it is so much easier for people to buy the songs from iTunes.

Posted by dcmacnut on August 15, 2005 at 5:35 PM (PDT)

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Or DM could just license his music thru iTunes. Since his management doesn’t want to share the profits, it’s unlikely that will happen. Domage. I always thought DM was cool. He may be, but his management is whack.

Posted by Aceon6 in New England, USA on August 15, 2005 at 6:10 PM (PDT)

4

The instructions for cracking the drm have been up for like three months at davematthewsband.com.  And Aceon6, Stand Up is on iTunes.

Posted by Sts10188 on August 15, 2005 at 6:28 PM (PDT)

5

The Labels…Apple…and Microsoft are all in it for a buck.  None of them are better than the next guy.  They’re each using shady techniques to bleed the consumer of money.

If they keep it up, they will do nothing but drive people back to “stealing” music.  Not as if “stealing” has stopped, but the inroads they’re making into legal downloads and what not will be thwarted unless they all change their tune (or their iTune).

If they keep trying to make it so we can’t even rip CDs we’ve purchased in the store, then the obvious alternative for listeners will be to download it off limewire without even considering buying a copy in the store.

How stupid is it for an artist to allow his CD to be sold with copy protection and then put how to avoid the copy protection on his website?

What a bunch of greedy guys they are…sorry guys, but Apple is included in this group.

Posted by Talking Madness in Los Angeles on August 15, 2005 at 11:32 PM (PDT)

6

“How stupid is it for an artist to allow his CD to be sold with copy protection and then put how to avoid the copy protection on his website?”

Not that I know much about the record industry, but I don’t think its up to the band, its the label that they’re on.  Therefore, as its up to the label, all the band can do is tell people how to get round it until they can switch labels (I guess)

I’m not a fan of DMB, but I think its cool of them to tell people who wouldn’t know otherwise how to do it. Seems silly though, this is obviously a loophole, so why do the music industry bother when it isn’t illegal to make backups…?

Posted by silver_haze20 on August 16, 2005 at 3:17 AM (PDT)

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Who the hell is paying these bloody analysts?! Of course there’s going to be upgraded Mac going to be released ‘soon’, they’re openly switching to Intel based Macs (and what does ‘soon’ mean anyway, it could be tomorrow or next year, what a load of turd). Video iPod!? Which analyst hasn’t said that one is going to be released? This guy is getting paid to rehash news or other peoples predictions. So I’m now an analyst, and I say that Apple and Microsoft will release a new or upgraded OS ‘soon’. Now where’s my pay cheque?

Posted by callused on August 16, 2005 at 6:08 AM (PDT)

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“Or DM could just license his music thru iTunes.”

Um…I bought “Stand Up” from the iTMS, and now a large portion of DMB albums are in iTunes.  I guess I don’t see what you mean.

Posted by jrod on August 16, 2005 at 6:34 AM (PDT)

9

Silver-

I agree with you if your point is that the label has the final word on things like whether or not the CD will be released with copy protection.  But, artists are not as altruistic as their image may make them seem to be.  I venture to guess that DMB was okay with the protection.  Many artist have openly complained that piracy is taking money out of their pockets and I believe many of them support copy protection.

I guess my point was that it’s stupid how a specific label and its artist don’t even seem to be in concert on this issue…so how is an entire industry suppose to be in concert on it.

And, I think the label should actually take some kind of legal action against DMB to have them remove the info from their website.

Posted by Talking Madness in Los Angeles on August 16, 2005 at 11:18 AM (PDT)

10

the wells fargo thing is really hilarious. It’ll take you a while to get done with it all but it’s a nice way to get a free code. I used mail expire and got 150 codes!

Posted by *meep* on August 16, 2005 at 6:53 PM (PDT)

11

Talking Madness, I really don’t think Apple OR Steve Jobs are in this for the money—they both have more than enough.  Apple’s sitting on an enormous wad of cash and Jobs is crazy rich.  This is a big chess game between Jobs and Gates, and one wrong move could kill Apple for good.  It’s all about strategy, and I admire Jobs for sticking to his guns—he’s obviously focused on a long-term plan, and that focus is what brought Apple back from the dead and is making Gateway, Microsoft, Creative, and so many other companies have to start fighting for their lives.  I love watching this play out.

Posted by Romeodawg on August 16, 2005 at 10:29 PM (PDT)

12

Romeo-

You’re right it is a chess game between these guys, but money is how you keep score in this chess game.  That’s how score is kept in almost all of business.  If Apple was giving songs away with iTMS it would mean nothing, but since they’ve sold about 500 million tracks they have something to brag about…they’re winning the game.

Also, I agree that neither Apple nor Jobs personally need the money (Gates definitely doesn’t need the money), but as simple or stupid as it sounds, money is how they keep score.

As for how they’re playing the game, I also think you’re right.  Apple is being very strategic.  But, I think that Apple is in a tough spot.  They have a lot of forces pushing against them.  The Labels want them to change, many consumers want them to change (issues ranging from how much an iPod cost to what files it plays), and Gates wants them to change (like it or not, since Windows is on 95% of the computers out there, Gates does have a pretty nice hand to play).

Like you, I like seeing how it plays out, and that’s why I come to this site often.

Posted by Talking Madness in Los Angeles on August 16, 2005 at 11:48 PM (PDT)

13

dcmacnut, you say WMA is proprietary - are you implying that Apple’s AAC is not proprietary - go check your facts.

The very reason Apple has a market for their MP3 players is because MP3 was an open standard that everyone could use.  In the long term, Apple will suffer the same fate with their iPod’s as they did with PC’s, if they don’t start to open up their standards soon.

Posted by kokketiel on August 17, 2005 at 5:38 AM (PDT)

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What I like is how the DMB website says the only easier solution would require cooperation from Apple? So…they want Apple to include a way of bypassing WMA file protection then (since that is in effect what they’re telling you how to do). Why don’t THEY just make standard CDs that aren’t copy protected?!? seems to be a more obvious “easier and more acceptable solution”

Posted by snowweasel on August 17, 2005 at 7:14 AM (PDT)

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Snowweasel, they probably just want Apple to strike up an agreement with M$ so the protected WMA files can be transcoded to Apples format while maintaining the DRM. 

All in all, every format needs to be able to be transcoded to another.  If DRM is involved then this needs to follow to the new format. Right now this proprietary DRM crap is the equal to only allowing Chevy cars to use Mobil gas and Hondas can only use BP and so on.  Someday “they” (everyone attempting to profit from DRM, players and such) will realize how silly it is to make the fuel for our music players proprietary.

Posted by gubbas on August 17, 2005 at 11:36 AM (PDT)

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