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Music industry sues European song swappers

“The piracy-battered music industry will for the first time sue British, French and Austrian music fans, including a French school teacher, as it intensifies its legal crackdown on Internet song-swappers. [...]

Trade group the International Federation of the Phonographic Industry (IFPI) said on Thursday it filed 459 criminal and civil lawsuits against some of the most prolific users of Internet file-sharing networks in the UK, France and Austria. The number includes a second wave of suits in Germany, Italy and Denmark.”

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That’s the most idiotic position and worst “news” article I’ve read in some time.

Posted by Jake in Irvine, CA on October 7, 2004 at 12:17 PM (CDT)


Count Me in…

Posted by Duhh in Irvine, CA on October 7, 2004 at 12:19 PM (CDT)


Industry has once again failed to grasp that the public wants music but not at the inflated cost.

Blaming the monetary loss on the consumer seems to be the easy way out these days and the only solution as far as they are concerned.

Lower the price and make it more reasonable and the public will respond.

Stop paying these artists so much money when in reality, their final product - their CD is not worth the price.



Posted by ezflyer in Irvine, CA on October 7, 2004 at 12:22 PM (CDT)


Music industry can french kiss my ass.

Posted by Sebhelyesfarku in Irvine, CA on October 7, 2004 at 12:36 PM (CDT)


Duhh, don’t accuse the artists of being greedy it’s the freeking labels, that are to blame, especially since, fo rdigital downloads they don’t even need to pay for CD manufacturing and shipping, THEY should be the ones taking less dough

Posted by blame the labels in Irvine, CA on October 7, 2004 at 3:21 PM (CDT)


These type of things just make me angry.

Posted by dino in Irvine, CA on October 7, 2004 at 4:08 PM (CDT)


We need more counter-suits against media consolidation and price gouging.

Death to anti-consumer entertainment!

Posted by aoxomoxoa in Irvine, CA on October 7, 2004 at 5:10 PM (CDT)


As an artist and producer all I can say is file sharers (music thieves) can burn in hell as far I’m concerned.
The problem is that most people have no idea how much money it take to produce music, in time and equipment, or the number of people that it takes to even produce and market a single song.
Most artists make very little off the music they produce, certainly less that the average worker, not to mention that you only get paid every 6 months, and when you barely scrape a living out of it and people are just stealing from the pathetic amount of money you earn, it make your blood boil.
Sure there are a few artists who have become obsenely rich out of music but they are few and far between.

Posted by Michael in Irvine, CA on October 7, 2004 at 6:51 PM (CDT)


As an artist, producer, and record company owner I could care less about music downloading. Those who do not realize that downloading is today’s radio (but open to everyone!!!) are blind or just don’t want to see the reality.

Quality product will always have fans. How many times have we bought those Beatles albums? How many different formats?

Posted by Jorge in Irvine, CA on October 7, 2004 at 7:16 PM (CDT)


Here’s a quick list of people who it takes to make 1 song and get it to retail.

4.Artist (4 people in band)
5 Producer
7. A&R manager + Staff
8. Publishing manager + staff
9. record company manager
10. sales manager
11. Record company rep.
11. distribution manager
12. distribution staff.
13. music store manager
14. music store staff.
15. video director
16. camera man
17. other assorted video production people
18. music production equipment builders
19. instrument manufactures
20. mastering engineer + staff
21. legal department staff

I have deliberately left out radio stations and staff, they make thier money off advertising.

When you buy music all these people get a tiny piece of the cost of the cd. Without all these people there won’t be a music industry.

People who work in the music entertainment industry earn on average less than those doing the same job in other industries.

In case you people hadn’t noticed the number of records released in the last few years has dropped significantly and there have been large scale lay offs at all record companies large and small. Large numbers of stores large and small have also gone out of business.

People who think downloading is o.k.and doesn’t harm anyone are idiots. They’re putting people who produce and market out of jobs.

How would you like it if I stole whatever it is your company makes and you lost your job as well as all your friends.

Posted by Michael in Irvine, CA on October 7, 2004 at 7:45 PM (CDT)


I would have to say a majority of people who download music still go out and buy CD’s.  I also think that downloading should be legal because it allows you to sample music you like without wasting money on it.  I can’t think of the number of artists I would have never heard about without downloading.  On top of that many people who download music would never buy CD’s in the first place.  I know I don’t, but because I can learn about new artists I have the ability to tell others, who in turn might go out and buy the CD.  Like Jorge said, downloading is today’s radio.

Posted by timbo in Irvine, CA on October 7, 2004 at 8:41 PM (CDT)


File swapping is not like radio. Radio pays to play artists music through publishing whereby money is collected from the radio stations and the artists who write the music get a share.

Web radio stations also pay publishing.

Reality is that file sharing has lead to a 30% drop in music sales over the last 3 years worldwide that means 30% less people employed in the industry and 30% less artist getting signed, and budgets for making albums getting shrunk by 30%. It’s way harded to get money to make albums or singles now than it was 5 years ago, record companies just don’t have much money to take a gamble on new artist. This is leading to much less mainstream stuff getting released.

I’m just trying to explain from someone in the industrys point of view why when we see things like heavy file swappers (music thieves) getting prossicuted for theft we rejoice.
Everyone in the music industry is paying for these prosicutions through money that all the record companies pay to the IFPI to defend the industry from theft, mostly the money used to go to fight CD piracy, but now it’s having to be wasted fighting file swappers.

Posted by Michael in Irvine, CA on October 7, 2004 at 10:38 PM (CDT)


Michael where is your shepherd, for i believe you have strayed far, far, away from your flock. Go back to them corporate lacky boy.

Posted by Piracy-Elitist in Irvine, CA on October 7, 2004 at 11:04 PM (CDT)


I was only here because I was checking out what’s going on at ipodlounge because I just got myself a new 40GB ipod.
I love it, the click wheel is fantastic, so much better than my old 3G and 2G.
It’s almost perfect, they just need to fix the way you control the volume, that’s still not quick as intuitive as it could be. Can’t wait for the next generation.

Posted by Michael in Irvine, CA on October 7, 2004 at 11:47 PM (CDT)


Reality is that file sharing has lead to a 30% drop in music sales over the last 3 years worldwide that means 30% less people employed in the industry and 30% less artist getting signed, and budgets for making albums getting shrunk by 30%

There is no doubt file sharing has an effect on sales but since there is no full proof way to prove the statistics you can never trust them. Its no small coincidence that DVD’s came out around the same time music sales started dropping. And you can definetley find enough proof of the amount of money being spent on them. People only have so much disposable income the money thats gone to make the dvd indusrty a billion dollar industry had to come from money that would have gone into another indusrties pocket. I still buy a lot of music myself but those 6-7 friends who used to get cds for presents from me, now get dvds. And I’m sure a lot of other people now buy DVDs as cheap presents where they would have bought a cd in the past

Posted by Rotten Device in Irvine, CA on October 8, 2004 at 1:28 AM (CDT)


If I buy a CD I should be able to copy it onto an ipod for personal use.  This is not depriving anyone - I have already bought the CD anyway. 

In Australia even this is illegal.

As to downloading files - every industry is driven by demand.  If you produce 1 good song in an album of 13 songs - why should you be paid for the whole album?  It’s like saying you’d pay the cost of a mercedes just because your 4 door hatchback has the same CD player as the mercedes does.  The music industry must learn that we are sick of being ripped off.  Every industry under seige from lack of demand must diversify or alter their product.  Obviously the music industry must go to a pay-per-song model.  As to the music industry guy who detailed all those affected by swapping.  Too bad.  Consumer is always right.  Just like automation, and the advent of computers, and various other aspects of technological age (industrial revolution) - excess baggage must be culled.  Get another job.  No-one pays my bills for me.

Posted by Dave in Irvine, CA on October 8, 2004 at 1:50 AM (CDT)


Michael, you don’t know what you’re talking about. You are no more a producer than I am.

Just because you go to the art institute, or whatever school you attend doesn’t mean you’re a big shot. I too am knowledgable with the music industry and I know exactly how, and with whom a record is produced.  On your list; #6 and above all get paid for what they do, and nothing more - they make absolutely no royalties.

People make money off CDs one way - Mechanical royalties. There are few people who actually have points.

Artists make the bulk of their money with Performance royalties. Every time a song is played on radio they get paid. Every time they perform live they get paid. This is how artists make money.

Unless of course they wrote their own songs, in which case they make even MORE every time it’s played.

CD and record sales make profit for one entity alone - The Record Company.

Posted by Knows in Irvine, CA on October 8, 2004 at 2:14 AM (CDT)


and im sure that the horrible economy has nothing to do with the drop in sales(unless you are totally ignorant to the rest of the country), nor does the fact that cds have been around for awhile, so less people are rebuying old cds they once had on vinyl

why is it that dvds can be 20-30 dollars for a 2 hour movie with tons of features, but a cd costs 17-23 dollars for a 30-60 minute cd with nothing else included but a program that screws up my computer when i try to play it on my computer, and yes i understand that movies also get the cash from the box office, which has also been lacking lately, just like concerts.. but that is all because of those dirty theives, not because of the lack of jobs and the fact that food money takes priority over music

as for music stores…there is a best buy about an hour from here… they have most artists for about 9.99 to 12.99(some even at 6-7), while all the other music stores have them for the prices i mentioned above.. im sure that has nothing to do with the cd store closings.. its just us dirty rotten thieves

when music downloading was in its high point, i increased my cd purchases ten fold, granted.. it was mostly from indie artists not represented by the riaa.. but living in a small town, it was previously impossible to find bands that werent in the top 20 of country or pop

im sorry, but if you dont think the riaa is digging their own grave, you are an idiot…

Posted by yeah right in Irvine, CA on October 8, 2004 at 4:29 AM (CDT)


don’t buy music from any of the major labels—choose not to support these corrupt companies or all the people who michael listed as helping to produce substandard product. if you really want music from’em, go the route so they get as little monet as possible.

support independent music.

Posted by . in Irvine, CA on October 8, 2004 at 5:57 AM (CDT)


I don’t ususally comment on articals other than those related to IPOD.  What is the logic behind all these?  If one sharing their musics and ask for money then that is strealing.  But otherwise blaming on other people who share their taste of music to others for losing their profit, then that’s just low.

Posted by quentin in Irvine, CA on October 8, 2004 at 5:58 AM (CDT)

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