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Gizmodo reports that a reader has spotted several iPod parody ads in New York City commenting on the recent Iraqi prisoner-abuse scandal. The ad depicts the silhouette of a hooded prisoner hooked up to electric wires. The tagline reads, “10,000 volts in your pocket, guilty or innocent” and says iRaq instead of iPod in the upper right corner.

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Really, do any of you think that the actions of the MP’s at Abu Ghraib were anything other than them following orders by higher-ups in Military Intelligence?  They were told to create an environment conducive to effective interrogation, and were most likely given hints as to what would make your average Muslim male very uncomfortable indeed.  Get a clue, folks.  The biggest problem was the fact that digital cameras captured much of the dirty deeds - something that didn’t exist in Vietnam, WWII, etc….  I have a funny feeling that similar tactics were used against the VC and maybe even the Germans, but they were smart enough not to take snapshots of it.

Posted by stinky pete on May 26, 2004 at 6:31 AM (PDT)

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“What’s amazing to me is how many people are willing to condemn the entire country for the actions of 7 people on one day in the middle of a war.”

These investigations demonstrate conclusively that the torture of detainees in Iraq, Afghanistan, and Gitmo was planned at the highest levels:

http://www.newyorker.com/printable/?fact/040524fa_fact
http://www.commondreams.org/headlines04/0521-06.htm
http://www.tnr.com/docprint.mhtml?i=express&s=easterbrook051704
http://msnbc.msn.com/id/4989481/
http://slate.msn.com//id/2100683/

“Read together, the magazine articles spell out an elaborate, all-inclusive chain of command in this scandal. Bush knew about it. Rumsfeld ordered it. His undersecretary of defense for intelligence, Steven Cambone, administered it. Cambone’s deputy, Lt. Gen. William Boykin, instructed Maj. Gen. Geoffrey Miller, who had been executing the program involving al-Qaida suspects at Guantanamo, to go do the same at Abu Ghraib. Miller told Brig. Gen. Janis Karpinski, who was in charge of the 800th Military Brigade, that the prison would now be dedicated to gathering intelligence. Douglas Feith, the undersecretary of defense for policy, also seems to have had a hand in this sequence, as did William Haynes, the Pentagon’s general counsel. Lt. Gen. Ricardo Sanchez, commander of U.S. forces in Iraq, learned about the improper interrogations—from the International Committee of the Red Cross, if not from anyone else—but said or did nothing about it for two months, until it was clear that photographs were coming out. Meanwhile, those involved in the interrogations included officers from military intelligence, the CIA, and private contractors, as well as the mysterious figures from the Pentagon’s secret operation.”

Posted by Institutional Torture on May 26, 2004 at 6:36 AM (PDT)

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Stinky Pete,

Do you really not get it? It doesn’t matter whether the “actions of the MP’s at Abu Ghraib were anything other than them following orders by higher-ups in Military Intelligence.” They are trained personnel who know what does and does not constitute a legal order, and as MPs will have been briefed on the Geneva Convention and its implications. They’re professional soldiers in what’s supposed to be a professional military outfit. And they know that if you follow an illegal order, and in doing so you commit a war crime, you’re guilty.

These things do happen in war, but that doesn’t excuse them. If war crimes are committed they have to be condemned and punished, not condoned and excused and blame-shifted.

And in any case, no-one is pretending that these stupid, low-level, trailer trash r.etards are the only guilty parties in this whole, shameful and sorry affair.

Posted by Jackonicko on May 26, 2004 at 8:28 AM (PDT)

44

If they were just doing it to break the iraqi soldiers moral why were they smiling and goading over a DEAD iraqi?

Posted by bryan on May 26, 2004 at 9:22 AM (PDT)

45

Jacko, I DO get it - my point was that the folks at the top are the ones that need to be held accountable.  A soldier follows orders, or faces the consequences, regardless of his moral bent.  Your average private or corporal isn’t likely to question any order given by a superior rank. 

Posted by Stinky Pete on May 26, 2004 at 5:06 PM (PDT)

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Stinky (love the name!)

Of course guilt goes up the chain of command (in this instance perhaps right to the very top?) but that does not absolve those who actually carry out the brutality - especially when they clearly enjoyed what they were doing. In 1945 we didn’t just chase down and hang the concentration camp guards, we went for the camp commanders and those who issued the orders.

My problem with the ‘average private’ argument in this case is that the ‘average privates’ in this instance were trained MPs, who knew what they were doing was illegal and wrong, and (if they were ordered to ‘soften up’ prisoners) acted with an unacceptable degree of enthusiasm and enjoyment, and failed to question what they must have known were illegal orders, in a system designed to let soldiers express misgivings up the chain of command, with many in-place confidential reporting systems.

Posted by Jackonicko on May 27, 2004 at 12:23 AM (PDT)

47

Ok, I’ll take your point that at least some of the MP’s may have known what they were doing was illegal, but consider also the fact that a lot of these guys are reservists and National Guardsmen that had no idea that 1) they would be called up to serve in Iraq, and 2) would have been there so long.  They are pissed off that their fellow soldiers are getting blown to bits on a regular basis, and frustrated by a enemy they frequently can’t tell from civilians.  I’m not making excuses or condoning the activity in any way, just making an attempt to understand why it occurred in the first place.  I have no doubt these actions were planned at the very highest levels of the Pentagon and the Bush administration; it’s time to follow the trail wherever it leads. 

Posted by Stinky Pete on May 27, 2004 at 9:24 AM (PDT)

48

wanted to say that the discussion here is a good and necessary one. thanks for posting links and educating, thanks for being passionate. this is what the posters were meant to do.

Posted by Copper Greene on May 28, 2004 at 5:23 AM (PDT)

49

i really hope the iraqis and americans kill each other, the planet would be a better place without this scum!

Posted by bob on June 1, 2004 at 12:57 PM (PDT)

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For those who are disturbed by this, but curious - it’s a movement called “culture jamming.”  Basically, culture jamming is a movement against corporate America where people deface/vandalize advertising space for political reasons.  They’re anti-big government and anti-big business. 

Most culture jammers do things like this - and with the professional look of these posters I wouldn’t be at all surprised if they’re old hands at this sort of thing.  Think of culture jammers as modern hippies - but less pot smoking and more activism smile  They participate in things like “Turn off your TV week” and “Buy Nothing Day” (which they intentionally hold the day after thanksgiving).  They can’t really get in trouble for using the iPod as inspiration, since it DOES still count as a parody.  They’d only get in trouble if they posted in a post-no-bills zone or otherwise defaced some other ad (which does happen from time to time). 

For those interested in more:
http://www.adbusters.org/
and
http://www.unbrandamerica.org/

No, I don’t do this sort of thing, nor am I a member of any such group.  Usually they’re too extreme for me.  I’m only sharing these addresses because I wanted to shed some light on what kinds of people are probably doing these things.  Hope the moderators don’t hate me!

-Greg Woods
http://homepage.mac.com/sgwoods/

Posted by Gregory on June 11, 2004 at 6:23 PM (PDT)

51

The beauty of those posters is twofold: to illicit a dialogue in an somewhat apathetic county about a questionable war - just look what we are talking about in ipod lounge - in that sense, the posters worked brilliantly. Secondly, I think the posters critiqued our values as a county - we are willing to spend some much time and energy improving our leisure activities with devices like the ipod, yet thousands of people are being killed overseas in afghan, iraq, africa, haiti, etc. It makes me rethink my focus and energies and above all, my priorities.

Posted by Pablo Toledo on June 12, 2004 at 6:17 AM (PDT)

52

Funny, I never saw a lot of outraged Netizens over Saddam’s brutal rule over the iraqi people for decades before the U.S. took the monster out.  Nor do I see posters splashed about decrying the plight of the North Koreans.  Did the Taliban get a lot of notice while they were executing women in soccer stadiums for getting caught walking down the street without a male family escort?  Nope.  It’s odd (nay, it’s offensive) how misery in the world is accepted without vocal protest until a sliver of it is caused by U.S. actions.  So long as there’s no American Republican involved, murder, rape, torture, and repression are just peachy keen.

Some people need to check their facts before they rant and rave, and I’m not talking about left-wing conspiracy websites as sources.

Posted by LagunaSol on June 12, 2004 at 7:55 AM (PDT)

53

“Funny, I never saw a lot of outraged Netizens over Saddam’s brutal rule over the iraqi people for decades before the U.S. took the monster out.”

Funny, I remember campaigning with a lot of other people against US support for Saddam back in the 1980s when most of the right-wingers here called him “our secular friend” against the “Iranian mullahs”.

Basically everyone *except* the right-wingers in the US has been saying for decades that Saddam was a bastard. I’m sorry if it didn’t impinge on your consciousness until recently, but that’s probably because you are blinkered.

It was only when he threatened the pampered sheiks of Kuwait that suddenly the US establishment decided he was a liability and had to be eliminated in favor of a more pliable dictator.

Posted by loony neocons on June 12, 2004 at 8:18 AM (PDT)

54

OK Loony, so can I safely assume you alternate a “Down With Kim Jong-il” t-shirt on an every-other-day basis with your “I Hate George Bush” t-shirt?  I didn’t think so.

The hypocrisy of the Left is what I find so repulsive.  Not to mention the complete lack of rational thought and good-old-fashioned common sense.  Unfortunately, rational thought is not included in the curriculum of the coastal liberal art schools that pump out the students that come up with these “brilliant” ideas as the Iraq-iPod spoof.

The Left now rages “Why are we in Iraq when we should be dealing with North Korea?”  Had Bush taken action against N. Korea instead of Iraq, we would have heard “Why are we taking action against N. Korea when we should be dealing with Iraq?”  It’s an interesting little shell game.  One that sadly never really accomplishes anything.

Fortunately while some of you are content with sitting around philosophizing about how to make the world a better place through your Net rants, coffeeshop chit-chat and cute posters with witty imagery, some people are actually trying to do something about it.

Posted by LagunaSol on June 12, 2004 at 8:44 AM (PDT)

55

“OK Loony, so can I safely assume you alternate a “Down With Kim Jong-il” t-shirt on an every-other-day basis with your “I Hate George Bush” t-shirt? I didn’t think so.”

You know nothing about my teeshirt choices. Don’t fool yourself - I don’t subscribe to your facile right/left idiot video idiologies.Why limit yourself to divisions arising from ancien regime France?

Although, maybe I should get this on a teeshirt?

Ronald Reagan’s special envoy Donald Rumsfeld shakes hands with Saddam Hussein, 1983

http://www.gwu.edu/~nsarchiv/NSAEBB/NSAEBB82/handshake300.jpg

Posted by neoconned on June 12, 2004 at 9:09 AM (PDT)

56

> Unfortunately, rational thought is not included in the curriculum of the coastal liberal art schools

Ooooh. Someone’s upset they didn’t do well in their SATs. Did you have to go to a community college? Does it still hurt? Do you still dream of boning rich liberal chicks? I feel for you, really.

http://www.gwu.edu/~nsarchiv/NSAEBB/NSAEBB82/index.htm

Posted by low grades on June 12, 2004 at 9:12 AM (PDT)

57

The problem with college kids making comments about war, politics and life is this: they themselves have little to no life experience to draw from (sorry kiddies, high school and college don’t count).  In general, they derive their views from academics that haven’t been out there themselves.  The shelter of the academic environment is as effective as a set of blinders, which is why, I believe, most college students have such left-wing viewpoints.  Academic leftism breeds blinded, leftist students.  Live life first, then comment.  Get shot at first, then comment.  Wear 50 lbs of gear in the blazing Iraq sun in an attempt to keep Iraqi animals (a minority to be sure) from killing innocent, peace-loving Iraqis and you, then comment.  Take an SA-7 down the engine of the plane you pilot, risking the lives of all on board, then comment.

The footage of Nick Berg having his head sawed off is real.  His screams, before his throat is sawed in two, are real.  The prisoners at Abu Ghraib still have their heads.  Whether the MPs enjoyed it or not is irrelevant.  What is rellevant is a question that I didn’t read in this forum - how many coallition soldiers, Iraqis and Nick Bergs did the information obtained from these “victims of torture” save?

So, have your head sawed off, then…oh wait…Nick can’t comment.

Posted by fasu on June 13, 2004 at 8:47 AM (PDT)

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F.uck you bob.  If you really belive that then your the most ignorant uninformed person on this board yet. 

Anyways, this is an iPod board, why the hell do people even bring this up here.

allow me to show you to this tasteless yet very true point.

http://carcino.gen.nz/images/image.php/463c5922/arguing.jpg]http://carcino.gen.nz/images/image.php/463c5922/arguing.jpg

Posted by maximus on June 14, 2004 at 4:52 AM (PDT)

59

for more info on those posters try http://www.forkscrew.com

Posted by Granada Tuesday on June 17, 2004 at 9:27 AM (PDT)

60

I love them!  Does anyone know where I can get some.  My husband has been in Iraq aince January and is hating every minute of it.  He really wants one.

Posted by Jessica on September 16, 2004 at 6:28 PM (PDT)

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