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By Dennis Lloyd

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Published: Friday, June 11, 2004
News Categories: iPod

piciPod parody posters dubbed “iRaq” have gone bi-coastal since their recent debut in New York City. Several photos of the latest parody posters to hit the streets of Los Angeles include silhouetted figures holding various military weapons with the famous white cable attached; including a Russian AK-47 assault rifle, hand grenade and RPG grenade launcher. All posters are marked “10,000 Iraqis killed. 773 US soldiers dead.”

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“most of that book is nonsense, I’m afraid.”

You’ve read it then. Which bits are untrue? The bits about El Nino? The bits about the starvation rations for Indians? The bits about how India was bled dry to pay for the Afghan Wars? The letters from the British administrators calling for the “reduction” of large sections of the Indian population?

“most statues and monuments were removed from the most prominent locations - and are still looked after with care. Hardly the actions of embittered and oppressed people”

I hardly think that the actions of a few statue fetishists with post-Colonial Syndrome illustrate anything meaningful.

“he shared his surname with a C-in-C of the British Army in India from 150 years earlier, whose memory was still revered and respected.”

Wel I am glad his surname wasn’t Dyer, who ordered the machine-gun slaughter of nearly 400 people at Amritsar.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Amritsar_Massacre

“I’ve heard educated Sikhs actually seriously suggest that a return to British rule—would be desirable.”

Amritsar is the spiritual and cultural centre of the Sikh Religion. There’s no accounting for taste. Many Sikhs are probably more influenced by the more recent Golden Temple Massacre, when the Indian Army killed just shy of 500 people to wipe out a centre of armed Sikh nationalist resistance.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Golden_Temple_Massacre

“Before the Victorian era, the British Empire in India was characterised by intermarriage between British officers and local women”

Well I for one am certainly glad that the pretty women were snapped up by the invading armies! Almost as glad as, I bet, were the many Indian males of marriagable age around that time.

Posted by Rules the Waves on June 15, 2004 at 11:37 AM (PDT)

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“the British Empire did do great good at some times and in some places, and we were never as brutal, wicked and cruel as the US was to the Indians, and it was under the British Empire that slavery was abolished.”

This is true. Many USians do not realise it, but their country was one of the last of the Western nations to abolish slavery… and it took a Civil War to do it. For 20 years the British Navy patrolled the Atlantic intercepting slave ships bound for the US and the West Indies, and freeing the enslaved prisoners, either repatriating them to Africa or bringing them back to the UK.

Much of the documentation and photographs we have today concerning the mechanisms of slavery come from official British Navy reports about intercepting slave ships.

The cynic in me, of course, says that the early British abolition of slavery had a lot to do with the advanced state of industrial revolution in the Uk compared to other nations. Industrialisation removed the need for slaves, and therefore countries that moved quickly to eliminate slave economies and move to industrial economies prospered. That’s one reason why the industrial north-east of the US, rife with power mills and production, saw no need for slavery while the South, with a largely agrarian, backward economy, wanted to maintain its slave economy. The north-east States saw a difficult future for industrial capitalism within the US unless slavery was abolished.

http://www.nmm.ac.uk/searchbin/searchs.pl?exhibit=it0577d&axis=1085961078&flash=true&dev;=
“From 1808 to the end of the 19th century British navy vessels were engaged in anti-slavery operations. Though many slavers slipped through the Navy’s patrols and others avoided arrest on legal grounds there were successes. For example, between 1810 and 1865, nearly 150,000 people were freed by the anti-slavery squadrons.”

http://www.spartacus.schoolnet.co.uk/Lslavery33.htm
“After the passing of Abolition of the Slave Trade Act in 1807, British captains who were caught continuing the trade were fined 100 for every slave found on board. However, this law did not stop the British slave trade. If slave-ships were in danger of being captured by the British navy, captains often reduced the fines they had to pay by ordering the slaves to be thrown into the sea.”

Posted by Britons Never Never Never on June 15, 2004 at 11:48 AM (PDT)

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“much of the harm done by the British Empire was done in ignorance, at a time when politically correct considerations were not known about”

That’s not entirely accurate. As many sources and documents (many of which are reviewed and listed in that book above which you dismissed so quickly) illustrate, during the Victorian era there were plenty of what today we would characterise as human rights organizations.

Many people spoke out about the cruelty of Empire policies in Ireland, India, and elsewhere. However, these voices were usually marginalised and their dissent ignored. Why?

Because Britain at that time was not what we today would call a democracy. In modern terms it functioned more like an autocracy. No women could vote. Most men couldn’t vote - voting was restricted by “Jim Crow” -like laws that mandated minimum property or educational requirements. Trade unions and most large protests were banned and there was hardly any way for “the common people” to voice their concerns. Justice was arbitrary, and skewed towards the rich. Many political parties that called for democratic reform were banned, or hounded by police and magistrates.

“harm being done to the third world by current US farm subsidies”

I’m from the EU and I have to admit that we’re as bad as the Yanks here. You’re right, we all need to stop spending the developing nations into poverty using these horrible subsidies.

“the full knowledge of the awful effects being caused.”

I think every generation thinks that *it* is suddenly wise and self-aware in a way previous generations were not. Nothing could be further from the truth. Sure we stop making many of the old mistakes and blinkered assumptions, but these are replaced throughout the body politic with new mistakes and blinkered assumptions.

I’m sure in 200 years, if we survive that long, people will look back on our era and say “But so many of them ate so much until they got so fat that hundreds of millions sickened and died? That’s crazy! Didn’t they know the harm it was doing?”

Similarly, we can look back at late medieval peoples and say “But so many of them got bubonic plague from rats fleas so that they sickened and died. That’s crazy! Why didn’t they wash more, and stop living so close to rats?”

The sad thing is that in the late medieval period there were people explaining the germ theory, and contagion, and pleading for people to be more hygienic and to avoid rats and filth and dirt.

Posted by Victorian Dissent on June 15, 2004 at 11:59 AM (PDT)

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The fundamental point (interesting as it is to retreat up our own fundaments in learned historical discourse) is that US policy today cannot and should not be excused by saying “look what the Brits got up to in the 1830s”.

Moreover, anyone bringing up British Imperialism in this context is showing ignorance. If you want to compare US behaviour with a militarily expansionist colonialism there are much better examples, and different examples if you want to show extreme brutality.

Posted by Jacko on June 15, 2004 at 1:36 PM (PDT)

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Savid from US:
“After reading all of this wonderful anti-US bashing from people from around the globe who do not have the freedoms we here in the US have”

Your radio, television, music, and arts are being censored on the regular. How’s that for freedom?

USA is pretty far from having free speech.

Posted by Perttu from Finland on June 16, 2004 at 2:47 AM (PDT)

126

Sorry David for misspelling your name.

Posted by Perttu from Finland on June 16, 2004 at 2:48 AM (PDT)

127

“President Bush declared war on terrorism in the months that followed the most tragic event in our history. Iraq was certainly not demonstrating anything that would indicate a potential friend in this troubling part of the world. Better to have an offensive strategy than a defensive one. “

http://www.robertscheer.com/1_natcolumn/01_columns/052201.htm

Still not doing your homework guys?

Posted by Still bored with war on June 17, 2004 at 4:32 AM (PDT)

128

Bush repeats Iraq terror assertion despite 9-11 panel report

In a new report, the commission investigating the September eleventh attacks says it found “no credible evidence” linking Iraq and the al-Qaida terror network in attacks against America.

Posted by Keeping The Big Lie Going on June 17, 2004 at 6:35 AM (PDT)

129

Has anyone here seen the documentary “WAD-Weapons of ### Destruction”...it deals with giant missiles penetrating deep and dark oriffensives.

Posted by xInterestingx Documentaryx on June 17, 2004 at 10:27 AM (PDT)

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