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By Dennis Lloyd

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Published: Friday, June 11, 2004
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piciPod parody posters dubbed “iRaq” have gone bi-coastal since their recent debut in New York City. Several photos of the latest parody posters to hit the streets of Los Angeles include silhouetted figures holding various military weapons with the famous white cable attached; including a Russian AK-47 assault rifle, hand grenade and RPG grenade launcher. All posters are marked “10,000 Iraqis killed. 773 US soldiers dead.”

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41

“surely more died under Sadam than during the war.”

Saddam was a brutal dictator and a murderer, but the number of Iraqis he killed is overestimated, the result of propoganda (a lot from Chalabi). He certainly was de-fanged a bit with the no-fly zones in the north and south. Saddam did most of his killing in the Iran-Iraq war, in which a million Iranians died. And his power to do so came from the US, who provided just enough satellite information to prevent a clear victor, and for the killing to continue. That blood is on our hands. All in all, when we talk about the Middle East,  the US (who has taken over for Britain) is a dealer of death, and to act righteous about it is the result of some major ideological mystification.

Posted by Questioner on June 12, 2004 at 8:12 AM (PDT)

42

“WMD’s are now showing up in Syria (surprise, surprise)”

What are you, deranged? Much to the chagrin of the Pentagon, the UN weapons inspection regime seems to have accomplished exactly what it was tasked to to: contain Iraq’s weapons programs and ensure the gradual destruction of what old stocks remained from those the US and European countries sold them in the 1980s.

http://www.usatoday.com/news/world/iraq/2004-03-01-perricos-findings_x.htm
“Demetrius Perricos, acting head of the United Nations weapons inspection program, can’t disguise his satisfaction that almost a year after the invasion of Iraq, U.S. inspectors have found the same thing that their much-maligned U.N. counterparts did before the war: no banned weapons.”

http://www.latimes.com/news/nationworld/world/la-fg-scrap10jun10,1,6543597.story?coll=la-headlines-world
“The U.N. team was following up on a discovery of a similar Al Samoud 2 engine in a scrap yard in the Dutch port of Rotterdam. Perricos said inspectors wanted to check in Turkey, which also has received scrap metal from Iraq.”

Thes eare parts of old crappy missiles that were *destroyed* by Iraq on the even of the US invasion when UN inspectors discovered them

It’s worth noting that both the UN and the IAEA says that as a result of the general chaos in Iraq, many hundreds of tons of radioactive material and contaminants that were formerely under UN and IAEA containment seals have been looted and their scrap is being sold all over Europe and the ME.

In some cases, the poisonous material was unsealed by US troops, who then allowed children and scrap dealers to loot them.

THe invasion has made the containment of Iraq’s old weapons material less, not more, secure.

And don;t get me started on how the US has peppered Iraq with hundreds of tons of radioactive depleted uranium! You “complain” about the Iraqis developing atomic weapons then you shoot them with radiological bullets!

Posted by deranged on June 12, 2004 at 8:13 AM (PDT)

43

Ronald Reagan’s special envoy Donald Rumsfeld shakes hands with Saddam Hussein, 1983

http://www.gwu.edu/~nsarchiv/NSAEBB/NSAEBB82/index.htm

http://www.gwu.edu/~nsarchiv/NSAEBB/NSAEBB82/handshake300.jpg

Posted by our friend and ally on June 12, 2004 at 9:10 AM (PDT)

44

Y’all anti-war whiners are a bunch of spoiled ingrates. You’d never consider that the good that was accomplished was worth our sacrifice - heaven forbid Americans should have to sacrifice to benefit other people.

What do you say to those Iraqis who have thanked us for what we’ve done, and the quality of life they’ll enjoy because of our sacrifice? That you didn’t think it was worth it?

Wish you could take a field trip to the place to get some reality in your head.

Posted by Iraq Vet on June 12, 2004 at 9:36 AM (PDT)

45

I like them. This war is about money for Bush’s wealthy associates. The price America—and the word—has to pay will be deaths that go on for decades. It’s too late to stabilize the region now. The greedy mistake was made, and now we just have to stop Bush from doing more of the same. He’s the best thing that ever happened to Al Qaeda recruiting, and an embarrassment to everything America truly stands for.

How about we pay for health care and education here in the US instead of sinking billions into Iraq? We’ll spend the money and the lives and STILL leave the job half done, just as Bush did with Afghanistan. Is that worth the oil? I guess if you’re a wealthy republican it is.

Posted by Nagromme on June 12, 2004 at 9:57 AM (PDT)

46

How we love to forget(or ignore?) that the Democrats are rivh also. Why is it always about rich republicans? People are killing me. I will deploy to iraq, hoping to have a country that supports us. if not, thats ok too. Patriotism is dead in America, just a bunch of Libs. How about we stop the flaming, how about we agree on one thing. Just say a little prayer for everyone there, but most importantly, say a little prayer for the AMERICANS, civilian or soldiers, how about we just have love of our brothers and sisters. If you are from the USA, remember, you are an AMERICAN first

Posted by dakman2000 on June 12, 2004 at 10:41 AM (PDT)

47

“What do you say to those Iraqis who have thanked us for what we’ve done”

I think the Iranians are thanking us a lot more, considering Saddam was their #1 enemy and they suckered us into invading Iraq and taking him out by feeding false intelligence for years through their mole, Ahmed Chalabi.

Now the strongest militias in Iraq are the Badr and other Iranian-aligned private armies. The Shias control most of the south and Iranian style mullahs are running the cities.

We have been played, my friends, played by the Iranians.

Posted by iranian plot on June 12, 2004 at 10:59 AM (PDT)

48

10000 to 773, I’d say we’re running up the score!

Posted by Grizzity-Hl-Hl-Hlizzity on June 12, 2004 at 11:00 AM (PDT)

49

well, as a german with an asian mother and jewish friends i appreciate the freedom and pluralism made possible by “another country invading against our wishes and imposing the government they thought we should have”.

i’m deeply grateful that, 60 years ago, americans shipped over to europe and did what we germans where not able/willing to do ourselves: getting rid of the most horrible regime in history. so any absolute statement like “war is always wrong” seems a little too simple for me.

and as for the argument about the other countries “without oil”: sure, there are plenty of other regimes that should have been overthrown before the one in iraq. but that this has not yet been done does not change that it still would be the right thing to do, thus voiding it as an argument against intervening in iraq.

Posted by aereogramme on June 12, 2004 at 11:01 AM (PDT)

50

“as a german with an asian mother and jewish friends i appreciate the freedom and pluralism made possible by “another country invading against our wishes and imposing the government they thought we should have”.”

Let’s not forget, thoguh, that it was the US, especially industrialists, that supported Hitler and the Nazis during the 1920s and early 1930s as a “bulwark” against Soviet Communism.

Henry Ford donated millions to the Nazis. Lindbergh called Hitler an “all American Hero”. The US opposed sending aid to the democratically elected (socialist) government in Spain and allowed it to be invaded and overrun by the Nazis and the Italian Fascists in a dry run for World War 2.

“i’m deeply grateful that, 60 years ago, americans shipped over to europe and did what we germans where not able/willing to do ourselves”

Dude, the Russians beat Germany to a pulp. THe US stayed out of the war as long as possible - it was Germany that declared war on the US, not the other way around. Even then the US/UK delayed invading EUrope until 1944 and the Russians had killed most of the German army. Finally, despite the best late efforts of the US/UK, it was the RUssians that killed over a million Germans to occupy the capital in Berlin, the greatest urban combat in history.

Posted by allies of convenience on June 12, 2004 at 11:22 AM (PDT)

51

you’re inferring that the reasons of the US and russia for invading should make a difference for how I feel about the outcome? so “the US stayed out of the war as long as possible”? i’m grateful they decided not to stay out at all.

you’re also portraying it as if the allied invasion did not have an impact on the course of the war. i don’t want to go into historical details about the importance of the allied sovereignty over the airspace, or the parts of the wehrmacht that were uselessly tied up waiting for the allied invasion while hitler made the mistake of opening a second front in the east. nor do i want to discuss the war crimes of the red army you were talking about.

all i’m saying is: sometimes there are good reasons for wars and invasions, and our chancellor schrder (for once) was right when he said that germany was the winner of the allied invasion, too.

Posted by aereogramme on June 12, 2004 at 11:46 AM (PDT)

52

you’re inferring that the reasons of the US and russia for invading should make a difference for how I feel about the outcome? so “the US stayed out of the war as long as possible”? i’m grateful they decided not to stay out at all.

you’re also portraying it as if the allied invasion did not have an impact on the course of the war. i don’t want to go into historical details about the importance of the allied sovereignty over the airspace, or the parts of the wehrmacht that were uselessly tied up waiting for the allied invasion while hitler made the mistake of opening a second front in the east. nor do i want to discuss the war crimes of the red army you were talking about.

all i’m saying is: sometimes there are good reasons for wars and invasions, and our chancellor schrder (for once) was right when he said that germany was the winner of the allied invasion, too.

Posted by aereogramme on June 12, 2004 at 11:47 AM (PDT)

53

“you’re also portraying it as if the allied invasion did not have an impact on the course of the war.”

I think if the US/UK had not invaded western Europe, it would probably have taken the Russians an extra year or two to have occupied all of Germany.

“germany was the winner of the allied invasion, too.”

I think if you take the longer view, you see that WW1 and WW2 were just opening and closing acts in the Great European Civil War of 1914-1945. Before 1914 most of the countries of EUrope were consitutional monarchies with ruling families linked together by marriage and blood. The UK “Roayl Family” are in fact Germans from Saxe-Coburg! Slowly over 30 years they separated into two opposing camps, with UK/France on one side and Germany/Austria on another.

Unlike the US Civil War, however, foreign powers intervened in 1917, causing a ceasefire instead of fighting to a definitive conclusion. Then the collapse of democracy in the 1920s and 1930s enabled crazy murderous regimes to take power throughout Germany, Italy, and much of Eastern Europe. THen in 1939 the fighting, which had been pushed out to the periphery and the colonies, erupted right again in the centre of Europe.

Then in 1944-1945 you have the Americans sweeping in from the west and the Russians sweeping in from the east and they meet at the Elbe, occupying most of Europe with the result that no European nation manages to win the European Civil War.

Posted by klingons on June 12, 2004 at 11:57 AM (PDT)

54

Considering that this is an iPod forum, there is an awful lot of quite intelegent political discussion going on here.
Just to throw in my 2p, I am English.
We (US/UK) were wrong to invade Iraq, it should have been done 10 years ago, to get half way there then, then pull out and leave the Iraqies to face Sadam was the worst thing to do. As has been pointed out there are far worse regiems around the world, the only reason they went for Iraq was for the oil (god forbid america should have to pay more for petrol!), and I think anyone who denies that is very foolish and short sighted.


“You’d never consider that the good that was accomplished was worth our sacrifice - heaven forbid Americans should have to sacrifice to benefit other people.”

All this crap from americans about ‘we are helping other people blah blah’ is rubbish, like I said, they have so far killed the best part of 12,000 people (on both sides) for oil, is it worth it?

If the US really did want to do ‘good’ and help the world etc etc, there are far better ways to go about it than illegally attacking a country, for no good reason.

Anyway, to get this thing back on subject, does anyone know where I can download a high res (so it fills an A4 (legal) sheet of paper) copy of the poster?

Posted by Pete on June 12, 2004 at 1:08 PM (PDT)

55

We shall pay any price, bear any burden, meet any hardship, support any friend, oppose any foe, in order to assure the survival and the success of liberty.

-JFK

The community of nations may see more and more of the very kind of threat Iraq poses now: a rogue state with weapons of mass destruction, ready to use them or provide them to terrorists.  If we fail to respond today, Saddam and all those who would follow in his footsteps will be emboldened tomorrow.

Bill Clinton - 1998

Posted by Obadiah on June 12, 2004 at 1:25 PM (PDT)

56

Yes,  the fact is that most americans can’t see beyond their nose.

I’m not saying every US Citizen, but as it happened in Spain when the fascist goverment supported the DORK in iRaq war, ppl prefer not to read, watch to or listen to “unconfortable journalism”. It’s easier to go bed thinking that the Twin Towers massacre has no other origin than “TERRORISM”, but never ask yourself why terrorists do terrorism. They may say it’s because of their fanatic religion that brings them to war, but I can still remember The Bushes invoking GOD to invade iRaq both in 1990 and 2003.

Now, in Spain everyone knows that the 192 dead in train strikes are not only Al-qaida deaths, but Jose Maria Aznar too, who supported war against the 93% of their country. No one dares to say our president is guilty of putting Al-qaida in Spain, but everyone knows, even his family.

Posted by Death in your eyes on June 12, 2004 at 2:42 PM (PDT)

57

Try this site, i thought it was quite funny. don’t be mistake by it’s appearence
http://www.coxar.pwp.blueyonder.co.uk/

Posted by Paul on June 12, 2004 at 3:20 PM (PDT)

58

*sigh*

What if Bill Clinton had invaded Iraq, would we have all this debate?

The ad posters are very smart. I dont agree with them, but hey, I admit they are witty.I think that kind of protest is great, hopefully we won’t see the spittin gon soldiers when we come home.

I do see past the end of my nose, I just have a different view point on all this.

It’s called freedom friend, and you seem to be enjoying your freedom to express, as we all should.

I think we take it for granted.

Posted by dakman2000 on June 12, 2004 at 5:41 PM (PDT)

59

“Hey I saw lots of video of Reagan today but nobody mentioned how he sent Rumsfeld to Iraq in the 1980s with letters of friendship and permission to set up trading with Saddam WHEN WE ALREADY KNEW HE WAS USING CHEMICAL WEAPONS. What happened under Ronnie’s watch? We sent Saddam lots of tasty biological weapons to use on the Iranians. “

But I thought the antiwar crew didn’t believe he had or used weapons of mass destruction…  Hmmmm…

Posted by Purplemd on June 12, 2004 at 7:19 PM (PDT)

60

“*sigh*

What if Bill Clinton had invaded Iraq, would we have all this debate?

The ad posters are very smart. I dont agree with them, but hey, I admit they are witty.I think that kind of protest is great, hopefully we won’t see the spittin gon soldiers when we come home.

I do see past the end of my nose, I just have a different view point on all this.

It’s called freedom friend, and you seem to be enjoying your freedom to express, as we all should.

I think we take it for granted. “

Well, said…

Posted by Purplemd on June 12, 2004 at 7:21 PM (PDT)

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