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Not Good: Jobs Changes The iTunes Rules

“I don’t know about you but when I invest in a certain type of media I don’t expect the rules to be randomly changed on me. While Apple

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Yo Biff,

Change the prescription on your glasses. The question is not “how many times can I burn a single playlist.”

The question is “how many times can I burn a song? is it unlimited as long as the order is changed (hence a new playlist?)”

I do agree that using the ipod in the car is no problem. use an FM transmitter or a tape adapter.

And why would anyone complain about something good? Why don’t you? People only complain about things that are wrong or need to be fixed.

Posted by jujube on May 4, 2004 at 8:07 AM (CDT)


For those missing a critical point, let’s review again.

I purchased a a lot of music from iTunes.  This is music I paid for with the understanding that there would be 10 allowable burns.  Now, MY MUSIC is being retroactively changed to limit the burn allowance from 10 to 7!

Do we have any reason not to believe that OUR MUSIC, music we paid for will not change again retroactively?  If so, then we are being hoodwinked because in fact we do NOT own the music, we are really just renting it!

What is to stop the RIAA from holding future music rights hostage to yet more consessions?

No, this is wrong!

Are they trying to kill legit downloading?  At least buying a CD you know you own it, unlike, apparently, iTunes.

Posted by Obadiah on May 4, 2004 at 8:37 AM (CDT)


Is anybody else concerned with the DRM issue of only storing your iTunes songs on FIVE computers?

Think about that.  FIVE computers.  Most people probably have them on 2 or 3 right now. 

That means you’re only able to upgrade your HD/buy a new computer TWICE for the rest of your life!  Then you’ll have to purchase your collection all over again or keep the computer you currently have forever just to listen to your songs.

Posted by Ryan on May 4, 2004 at 10:09 AM (CDT)


Download new iTunes bought song.

Burn to CD.

Fire up MP3 encoder

Re-encode song in MP3 format

F*ck you Apple


Posted by Dr_Cogent on May 4, 2004 at 10:13 AM (CDT)


Couple quick things.

First, yes there are easy ways of circumventing the 7 playlist burn issue.  The easiest way is to burn one playlist cd, create an image of that cd in a different program (Roxio Toast works well for this) and re-burn to your hearts content (or if you have both a CD burner and a regular CD drive you can use Toast to copy them directly).  However, I think the main point is that you can’t do it in iTunes, meaning it won’t be Apple’s fault.  This is a good way for them to go since they’re trying to get record companies to liscence songs to them.

Second, concerning the above post, “Burn to CD.  Fire up MP3 encoder.  Re-encode song in MP3 format.”

The only problem with this is it’s sort of like photocopying a photocopy.  You’re going to loose audio quality.  This happens with all compressed digital media.  What you’re doing is taking a compressed audio file and compressing it again.

Using Apple’s new lossless encoder to re-import and re-encode the file would work to preserve the audio quality pretty well and also be playable on an iPod… the only downside to this is that your file will be a lot larger than the original AAC :(

Posted by Zim on May 4, 2004 at 11:43 AM (CDT)


Let’s be clear about this. You can burn the same playlist 7 times without modifying it in any way. By altering the order,  changing one of the songs, putting a one second long silent aac file in it somewhere you can do another 7. There is no limit on the number of times you can burn a song. As for the five computers you do not have to keep the same computer - you can deauthorise the computer from within iTunes.

Posted by Jackson on May 4, 2004 at 11:58 AM (CDT)


Mr. Jackson,

Thank you for clarifying the situation! Your message is a beacon of light in the morass of text that has been written over the past day.

Posted by jujube on May 4, 2004 at 12:36 PM (CDT)


“By altering the order, changing one of the songs, putting a one second long silent aac file in it somewhere you can do another 7.”

Why should I jump through hoops to copy “my” music? Yes, it’s trivially easy, though annoying, to circumvent the license conditions on current iTMS downloads.

But who’s to say that it won’t get progressively more difficult to do such things within iTunes, or even impossible?

That’s why projects like VideoLAN and PlayFair are so important - they let people use “their” music how they like, when they like, and without bending over into whatever posture the RIAA wishes.

Finally, it seems to me that by devising and advocating such a copyright circumvention procedure, you are in effect contravening the licensing conditions of the iTMS. Therefore your rights to use some or all of the product could be legitimately revoked by Apple, and you would have no legal recourse but to delete your iTMS downloads and all derivative copies.

So in effect, any burns >7 of the iTMS downloads are unlicensed contraband. You might as well have downloaded higher-quality rips from Kazaa.

Posted by White Men Can't Jump on May 4, 2004 at 12:52 PM (CDT)


I noticed that the new Sony music download store has less restrictions than Apple’s. So it seems now that iTMS is no longer the most “generous” store - which is surely a loss of a marketing image point for Apple. Maybe this competition will compel them to relax their new restrictions?

“Downloaded songs have no playback limitation and can be shared with up to three Windows PCs, which have to be registered with Connect.”

“The service supports CD burning. Playlists can be transferred to disc up to ten times, five as ATRAC data discs, five in CD Audio format. There are no limitations on how many times you can copy a song to a compatible portable player.”

Posted by Sony Music Store More Relaxed on May 4, 2004 at 1:53 PM (CDT)


Jhust a comment about the limitiation of the number of playlists you can burn: This has probably more to do with the legislation in other countries, and you know that Apple wants to open a music store in Europe. So jhust look at this: In Germany, it is considered legal to make up to 7 copies from a cd for your own use. Coincidence? I suppose not, and I’m looking forward for the german iTMS :-). Apple probably had to adjust this…

Posted by Serge on May 6, 2004 at 7:35 AM (CDT)


I think we need to acknowledge that Jobs created a new legal distribution channel AND got most of the music labels onboard at the same time.  Since this is rather new, we as users should expect some minor changes (and the modifications are indeed minor). 

Also, being able to change the rules without notice isn’t new in this media format. is more generous with its digital downloadable audio books yet it also reserves the right to change the terms of use without notice (potentially leaving one who uses Audible to store bought books at risk of no longer being able to even access books that have been bought).

Surely Jobs is aware that tweaking the terms of use too much may result in consumers abandoning his distribution channel. And that’s where forums like this come in handy… getting the word out about what to expect and sharing what works for us and what doesn’t.

I, for one, am content to deal with a minor tweak (having to reshuffle a playlist after 7 burns instead of 10) in order to have access to the best online music store, use the best software jukebox and have the best prices (99 cents per tune).

Posted by DF in Boston on May 8, 2004 at 6:05 AM (CDT)

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