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Paramount sues to stop loading of DVDs onto iPods

Paramount Pictures has sued Load ‘N Go, a small business that loads DVDs onto video-enabled iPods on behalf of customers. The Electronic Frontier Foundation reports: “According to the suit, Load ‘N Go sells both DVDs and iPods and loads the former onto the latter for customers who purchase both. The company then sends the iPod and the original DVDs to the customer. So the customer has purchased every DVD, and Load ‘N Go just saves them the trouble of ripping the DVD. The movie studios’ suit claims that this is illegal, because ripping a DVD (i.e., decrypting it and making a copy) is illegal under the DMCA. The suit also claims that this constitutes copyright infringement.”

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This case should be interesting (should it get to an interesting point) because it will be about very techinical details.

In short, it should not be illegal at all to rip one’s DVDs for one’s personal use (fair use as established in Sony v. Universal).  Having said this, I think this case will come down to HOW Load N Go loads content onto iPods.  I would suspect that Load N Go does not rip each individual DVD for each individual customer, but rather already has the DVD ripped onto a central source (hard drive media) from it loads iPods.  That, my dears, is illegal, though logistically it makes sense for the company’s purpose.

So, yeah.  This should be an interesting case.

Posted by LawLaw Land on November 17, 2006 at 8:08 PM (CST)


Ripping a DVD to a computer (or an iPod) is illegal, because of the DMCA (Digital Millenium Copyright Act).

I agree with taffinito. The conflict between Fair Use and the DMCA will never be resolved until a case like this goes to trial. That’s how our system works.

I hope this goes to trial, and I hope Load ‘N Go gets a lot of support from every group interested in protecting consumer’s rights.

Posted by BJ Nemeth on November 17, 2006 at 8:50 PM (CST)


I guess the music companies are right; my iPod is full of illegal music… even if I did buy it.

I can’t speak for the US, but I know here in the UK a lot of people are calling for an amendment to the law so it’s no longer illegal to rip your own CDs or DVDs… but it doesn’t really matter as non of us are suing each other over something so trivial.

Posted by Levi on November 17, 2006 at 9:27 PM (CST)


Even if it might be ilegal under the DMCA we have a moral obligation to disobey the law if it is an unjust law.(which the DMCA is)

Posted by WizKid on November 18, 2006 at 1:30 AM (CST)


I doubt Load N Go would actually rerip peoples dvds.

They most likely have backups of the same movie.

Posted by fuker on November 18, 2006 at 1:51 AM (CST)


People should be able to rip their own DVDs. period. I don’t even understand why that’s an issue. It’s obviously just companies trying to get over on consumers. Why buy a movie on iTunes when I can rip my dvd and convert it? DMCA needs to amended or reformed. People should be able to do whatever they please with the dvds they buy. It’s not like they’ll buy more than one copy so what’s the fuss?

Posted by ddsd on November 18, 2006 at 8:22 AM (CST)


bunch of tight asses

Posted by wlp on November 18, 2006 at 9:47 AM (CST)


If it’s illegal then why does apple get a movie file to sell? Instead, why don’t companies just sell the movies already as protected file on mini usb cards or usb sticks? ha. Or online like they do now, and forget dvd’s.. (the first time u play the usb sticked movie file you enter your special password or something so its YOURS) Make a usb video file player. You could also work on a converter which lets you convert the movie to lower file space but keep your code in the file container so its still only YOURS..  or maybe people are just dumb and like to make things hard and sue for dumb reasons.. i mean, u see all these people buying sony sp3’s then sell them for more than they bought them for, but ir you buy music and sell it for more its illegal?

Posted by BradwJensen on November 19, 2006 at 12:55 AM (CST)


I’m keen to see this issue resolved as DVDs will be the focus of my iTV media centre solution.

A thought I had in relation to Apple’s approach could be to rip a DVD through iTunes without conversion (straight VOB copy) and apply DRM linked to the user’s iTunes account to prevent sharing. This might get the agreement of the movie studios.

Posted by Japester on November 20, 2006 at 1:06 AM (CST)


By building CSS protection into DVDs, the motion picture industry insured themselves against mass legal copying. They learned this lesson from the music industry’s struggle with unprotected CDs and the ‘fair use’ law. Even if CSS could be cracked in 10 seconds, it would still be illegal to do so, and therefore couldn’t make its way into commercial products or services.

Unfortunately, the consumer and industry interpretations of a ‘movie purchase’ vary dramatically. You or I may be of the opinion that if we have paid the artists/studio for a movie once, we need never pay them again in order to have access to that movie on whichever device we choose. The studios, on the other hand stand by the concept of selling a ‘license’ to view the film on that particular medium. So buying a DVD does not grant you the right to watch that film on your iPod. This is a very cynical interpretation of the industry’s policy, but it is all about protecting future revenue streams by forcing the consumer to buy the same content again and again. Something that the music learned to its cost when it sold perfect, digital, unprotected copies of its entire inventory.

Posted by yashin on November 20, 2006 at 6:37 AM (CST)


Paramount is letting the lawyers and lobbiests call the shots rather than their marketing vp. Pay the lobbiest to make fair use illegal (and, yes, it’s illegal to rip your own DVD to your own iPod if copy protected) and the lawyers to beatup the companies trying to help customers enjoyy Paramount’s products. Very Stupid! The smart way is to put a another file on the DVD already formatted for the iPod, and a program to load it onto an iPod using the same kind of copyy protection tha Apple uses at the iTunes store. That way Paramount’s DVD would provide multiple benefits, increase sales, and cut stupid legal expenses. For trying to beat the market rather than work with it, Paramount is a company destined for bankruptcy. Sell your stock now!

Posted by mplb on November 20, 2006 at 12:47 PM (CST)

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