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picReader Mike S. reports he has taken possession of a new 4G iPod 20GB from a Mayfair Apple Store in Wauwatosa, WI. “Well people, I just stopped by my local Apple store and they had 9 of these babies ready for a home. No 40GB yet, nor did they have the new Click Wheel iPod docks. Also, seems like Apple hasn’t updated their retail software though, because they couldn’t register my iPod when I bought it, so now I can just register it when I need service on the baby.” Mike also goes on to report a few things he’s noticed about the new 4G iPod.

  • Now you can turn it off completely by holding the Play/Pause button.
  • Click Wheel is not backlit, but the screen has a white backlight.
  • Clicker sounds slightly different from my iPod 3G.
  • Click wheel is slightly stiffer than the iPod mini’s.
  • No dock port covers are included.
  • Seems my iPod was partially charged when I bought it. Only took me 1 hour and now it says it’s fully charged.
  • The games menu can now be added to the main menu, YAY! (I think this is new to 4G).
  • On-The-Go playlist can now be saved, when saved, a new playlist is created (NewPlaylist1, NewPlaylist2, etc.) and the songs are moved there, the OTG playlist is then cleared. Saving playlists actually took abut 5-10 seconds, which seemed a bit long for only 2 songs.
  • Songs can be deleted from the On-The-Go playlist by holding the middle button for about 3 seconds, same as adding a song.

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21

How do you hold down two buttons at once, to put the iPod into disk mode?

It seems as if you can’t do this with a 4G.

Posted by Jalexster on July 20, 2004 at 10:00 PM (CDT)

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There’s more.

It has SoundCheck on the lineout.
It charges from USB as well as Firewire.
It’s also thinner.

And as to how to put it into disk mode, you do it like a mini, you hold center button and play to put it into disk mode. You hold center button and menu to reset.

This is a better unit than the 3G in many ways.

Also note the sleep (hold play) is no different on 3G from 4G. Both go into a very low power state for a couple days, then to off.

Posted by more on July 20, 2004 at 10:54 PM (CDT)

23

There was a photo posted here earlier that clearly showed the click wheel had words that lit up in a purple/blue backlight. this makes it appear there is no backlighting to the wheel. which is correct?

Posted by Dave on July 20, 2004 at 11:02 PM (CDT)

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You don’t need backlit buttons on the 4G because you can feel where you are on the wheel.  You couldn’t do this on the 3G without tripping one of the buttons, hence the backlight.

Apple also likely eliminated the backlit buttons to conserve battery power.

I like the 4G update.

Posted by George Dubya Bush on July 20, 2004 at 11:08 PM (CDT)

25

In my personal opinion, I think Apple isn’t really putting up a good fight against Sony’s upcoming HD based player, the Dell Jukebox, or the new Creative iPod wannabe.

1) Why incorporate the Mini’s wheel into a full size iPod? The full size iPod has enough space for the 4 buttons across the top.

2) Red backlight on the 3G buttons… just way cooler.

3) The few insignificant new software/interface enhancements could probably be brought into the 3G iPod via a firmware update. Apple’s just allowing these features for the 4G to make 3G users upgrade. (Note: Adding and deleting songs from a playlist right on the iPod is a great idea, and should have been implemented 3 generations ago).

4) 12H battery life? We’ll see. My 3G iPod promised 6-8 hours. Sure, it lasted 6-8hours in the first year, but its barely pushing 3hours now.

5) Thinner? By how much? I heard it’s just marginally thinner… only by a few mm. If you want small, go for a Mini.

6) Purely personal opinion: 4G just looks cheap compared to 3G.

Last Words: Apple, come on. I thought you innovated and enhanced new products. Sadly the 4G looks like they did a sloppy job by slapping a feature from the Mini onto a 3G (instead of conjuring up a new feature altogether). Sony, Dell, and Creative will be catching up REALLY FAST.

Posted by Simon on July 20, 2004 at 11:11 PM (CDT)

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EDIT:

6) Purely personal opinion: 4G just looks cheap compared to 3G.  Well, it IS cheaper, and you get what you pay for.

Posted by Simon on July 20, 2004 at 11:17 PM (CDT)

27

I bought mine at june 30th.
Would I still be able to exchange with 4G iPods?

Posted by 20GB iPod in Canada on July 20, 2004 at 11:26 PM (CDT)

28

haha Simon is so jealous that he paid so much for his iPod that is now old…you want some cheese with that whine?

Posted by captainobvious on July 20, 2004 at 11:30 PM (CDT)

29

At least the white backlight is back. And a cleaner hue too at that.

Posted by Redux on July 20, 2004 at 11:32 PM (CDT)

30

I greeted the 3g iPod with an uncertainty. But it was a MUST upgrade, because of AAC compatability and better resolution, among others. The 4g iPod stays true to the original iPod’s design, and that’s what’s so cool about it. It holds true to the ORIGINAL design and aestetic. That said, perhaps the 3g will become the “retro” or outcast design, known for being out in the “expensive iPod days”, and might still convey a sense of cool. So that’s why I’m somewhat ambivalent about going down to CompUSA and shelling out some cash with my replacement plan and getting a new one. This is the first, in my opinion, “everyman’s” iPod, which is coming out right as the iPod craze is escalating out of control. My prediction is that the 4g iPod will be far more succesful than the 3g one, and the battery is sure to bring lots of hype. Those of us thinking about upgrading should probably consider the uniqueness of the 3g design. However, in retrospect, if Apple had released the touch-sensitive buttons AFTER the clickwheel, we’d all be enamored with the innovation. It’s all about it being the newest and greatest.

Posted by Sam on July 20, 2004 at 11:33 PM (CDT)

31

You could always add games to you main menu, and you didn’t mention the suffle from the main menu!

Posted by M Bargo in Chicago, IL on July 20, 2004 at 11:34 PM (CDT)

32

Hi Everyone,
I can say that I have been a previouse owner of a 2nd Gen 20gig iPod (Untill it broke - sad story), the 3rd Gen 40gig Ipod (12 days - returned right on time), and soon will be the 4th Gen 404gig Ipod (as soon at it arrives).
My questions are:
Is the 3rd Gen Ipod Connection the same as the 4th Gen Ipod. I been getting both answers everywhere I look. The biggest reason is I ended up, in my thrill of purchasing the 3rd Gen Ipod several 3rd Gen Ipod Connection-type acessories. I have seen that the dock being sold on apple is meant to be used with 4th gen ipod only. Many people are assuming that because of this the iPod connection may be diffrent. I think that maybe 3rd Gen Ipods might not work with the 4th Gen Dock and this is why they have the statement on the apple website. And in fact the 4th Gen iPod is backwards compatible (if thats the right word to use) with the 3rd Gen Dock.
Can someone who owns a 4th Gen iPod please verify this - thanks.
PS: I dont like the fact that the new 4th Gen iPods dont include the remote. I also assumed they had it without even reading clearly what they include. I hope that apple will begin to sell the remote only - and not bundled with headphones which they already come with….
:)

Posted by djJASMAN in California on July 20, 2004 at 11:51 PM (CDT)

33

Simon, I say feh to you.

You’re arguing asthetics and personal taste.  You’ve already won that battle, and no one can change your mind.

My reasons for switching from 3G to 4G?

Longer battery life.  I bet you those fancy red glowing buttons were a drain on battery life.  If it squeezes more outta it, then all the better.

More scratch resistant looking wheel.  Mine isn’t all beat up looking or anything, but it’s got signs of wear, from not only my thumb, but from constantly being exposed.  whether by my jeans, my car’s cupholder, or the odd gooey handed child, it gets worn looking.

Newness of it.  This mostly translates to me as a new 1 year warranty.  I haven’t yet ridden out my 3G’s warranty, so it’s not like I’m cheating the system or anything, it’s just comforting knowing that I have this much longer I can harass apple’s tech support for free…

NEW CASES!  My Contour’s getting on in age too, white fingerprints like a mutha…

So, by what means do you think the others are catching up?

Sony’s ATRAC system based “mp3” player?
Dell’s DJ?
Or the Creative.  Man this isn’t fair for you Simon.  Calling out Creative’s Zen…

A touch bar?  10,000 128kbps encoded WMA’s? FM radio (I got my ipod to AVOID local radio…) USB2 only?  and I like their interface too, real familiar.

Simon, you’re just PO’d that the features that are on your ipod are not there anymore.

Well, guess what?  Apple does this ALL the time.  Deal with it.  You don’t like it, you skip this generation and play catchup next time.

I liked the old imac, but there’s a new one coming in Sept, but I probably won’t dig it as much, because it’ll change.  Just like I didn’t like the all aluminum monitors they’re peddling now.  I’ll wait it out.  I don’t need it that badly. And me griping about it isn’t going to have either Steve Jobs or his R&D team in night terrors over what to do for you or me.

Posted by ajservo on July 21, 2004 at 12:12 AM (CDT)

34

I’m a bit of a gadget freak and to me the 4G is pretty bland. Extra battery life ‘yawn’, games on main menu (come on people give me a break!).

I’m really surprised someone hasn’t gone after the iPod, I’ve owned personal stereos just as sleek and portable gadgets with far more functionality and this was years ago. The 4G just leaves the door open that little bit wider.

Posted by Oliver on July 21, 2004 at 12:32 AM (CDT)

35

The only thing I like about the new iPod is the box it comes in.

Posted by Ben on July 21, 2004 at 1:14 AM (CDT)

36

I was under the impression that the original 3G dock would be compatible with the 4G iPod. Does anyone know if this is the case? I was pretty convinced until I saw this post where the guy who got the 4G pod said something about the store not having the 4G dock in stock.

Posted by S on July 21, 2004 at 3:07 AM (CDT)

37

haha tomorrow is the 9th day that i’ll have my 3G 20GB and im taking it back and getting a 4G 40GB. i think i like the 3G light up buttons a little bit better but i really like the 40GB of space for the same price as i paid for my 20GB 3G.

Posted by mat on July 21, 2004 at 3:22 AM (CDT)

38

6) Purely personal opinion: 4G just looks cheap compared to 3G.

Agree, and it is actually pretty cheap. And I like it, but don’t know if I want to sell my old 15 GB G3 for this one or have them both…

Posted by KBB on July 21, 2004 at 3:31 AM (CDT)

39

“I’m really surprised someone hasn’t gone after the iPod, I’ve owned personal stereos just as sleek and portable gadgets with far more functionality and this was years ago. The 4G just leaves the door open that little bit wider.”

Because they’re clueless. MS thinks PMP is the way to go, which is just moronic (how many people bought mini-TVs and portable DVDs? And they accuse Apple of being a niche player…).
The iPod formula is simple (coolness+ease of use), but seems hard to copy.
All the other players fail in one or both of these areas. Some can’t design their way out of a wet paper bag (What were Dell thinking, “let’s go for the el cheapo iPod knockoff look”?), screw up on the feature set (Sony’s ATRAC), or simply chose a terrible cheap sounding name (The other kids WILL make fun of your iRiver. Yeah, I know it has OGG support and whatnot, but we’re talking mass market appeal, not just IT-professionals with pocket protectors).
Rio has some potential, but I don’t get why they sell don’t sell it under the Denon or Marantz brand (part of the same group of companies). I’d much rather spend my money on a Denon than a geeky Rio.

Posted by henrrrik on July 21, 2004 at 4:07 AM (CDT)

40

I would actually like the look of the 4G if the scroll wheel was white instead of grey.
Meh.. the 1st and 2nd Gen iPods looked very cool, then the slimmer 3G’s looks beautiful.. the Mini looks very stylish.. but the 4G just doesn’t appear to be as stylish. Its not all about looks tho, I guess (even though thats one of the things Apple was renowned for.) And I spose others will like the aesthetics of the 4G. The better battery life and other features are cool too.

Posted by Sypher on July 21, 2004 at 5:41 AM (CDT)

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