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RealNetworks accuses Apple of Soviet model

“‘It’s kind of a Soviet model,’ said Glaser, referring to Apple’s closed environment in a remark that drew laugher from the audience at the annual National Association of Broadcasters conference here. ‘Taking secure music off the PC is a morass of incompatibility. This is not going to fly in the mainstream market.’ [...]

The company had approached Apple CEO Steve Jobs with a proposal to create a technical alliance that would allow customers of RealNetworks’ music service to play songs on the iPod, to no avail. That could now force RealNetworks into a deeper relationship with archenemy Microsoft, which has won support for its technology on dozens of players and plans a major upgrade later this summer.”

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no no no… you can’t use that anymore… the red scare is over… now you have to say they’re unpatriotic and are helping the terrorists if you want people to turn off their critical thinking and launch bitter attacks on things they don’t have the slightest understanding of.

This is like a guy who used to be one of the best ball players out there but is now mostly washed up, coming to the top performing team and asking for a spot on the team, threatening to go to their rival if they don’t get it, and then badmouthing the team because they said “thanks, but no—you don’t have anything of value to offer us”

Wonder if they’ll stop development of the mac version of RealPlayer… in a classic example of crying and taking their ball home with them.

Posted by JC in Irvine, CA on April 21, 2004 at 10:57 AM (CDT)


If apple is “soviet,” then Microsoft is the Intergalactic Empire.  Realnetworks sounds desperate.  Remember, Apple is pretty hellbent on quality, and AAC is built as a higher quality audio format. 

Besides, Eastern-bloc minimalist design is actually a pretty good description of the utilitarian looks of Apple products.

Posted by pancho in Irvine, CA on April 21, 2004 at 11:17 AM (CDT)


RealNetworks has no right to make these kinds of claims.  Look at how they do business.  They bury the free trial download deep within their webpages.  RealOne constantly reminds you to upgrade to the full version.  Everybody know RealOne is a spyware bloat.

Posted by tetro in Irvine, CA on April 21, 2004 at 12:19 PM (CDT)


realnetwroks sounds desperate, but apple is limiting the options you and i have as consumers.

Posted by bill in Irvine, CA on April 21, 2004 at 12:29 PM (CDT)


Glaser should just be quiet and let his company die a quiet death—as it seems the way things are going for them.

Posted by mookie in Irvine, CA on April 21, 2004 at 4:08 PM (CDT)


“realnetwroks sounds desperate, but apple is limiting the options you and i have as consumers.”

Oh, really?!  How?

Posted by The Raven in Irvine, CA on April 21, 2004 at 5:14 PM (CDT)


Our options, as iPod owners, are limited to AAC or MP3, which is ridiculous.

Posted by Market Maven in Irvine, CA on April 21, 2004 at 6:57 PM (CDT)


Wasn’t Glaser makeing claims like this a few months ago…? Oh wait he did, here is the proof. Why can’t he just hush up and do something creative with his time instead of accuseing Apple and iPods?

Posted by (T)(C)(O) in Irvine, CA on April 21, 2004 at 8:27 PM (CDT)


Taking secure music off the PC is a morass of incompatibility. This is not going to fly in the mainstream market.’

Yes, because we all know that Windows is the only operating system anybody every uses.  What an idiot.

Posted by Mountain Man in Irvine, CA on April 21, 2004 at 9:36 PM (CDT)


real networks is sinking faster than a russian submarine with a hole in its hull. Yes yes oh dear real, go off and hore yourself over to the sorry sounding WMA format that everybody else in the world is shoving down our throats. And leave Steve Jobs and Apple, and the pinnacle and best audio format AAC alone OK???? Get a life and suffocate in your watery grave, try scribbling a few lines into your steel as you gasp for your last breath of oxygen, namely that you will never use AAC format, and nobody will ever use your dying music service, and WMA will dye along with you.

Posted by steve jobs brother in Irvine, CA on April 22, 2004 at 12:01 AM (CDT)


The iPod’s choices are not limited as some say. It plays just about everything BUT wma. That’s just taking out the garbage. Your choice as a consumer comes down to what music player you buy, not the format you download. If you want to choose wma, go with a mediocre sub-quality player… there’s your choice.

BTW. I think glaser didn’t do his history homework. The soviet way is actually to make every format the same so it can be ruled under one standard. Apple creates a separation from high class and low class. Soviet government makes them the same. If he does go with M$ Gates, then he’s hopping on board with Stalin too. Gates is more interested in making one unified standard so he can rule them all.

He’s already embarrassed himself with hypocrisy, now he’s going for incompetincy. I don’t think Gates will even take him.

C-ya Real!

Posted by Wolf in Irvine, CA on April 22, 2004 at 2:41 AM (CDT)


Real is nothing more than fat-ass bloatware-spyware.  Can’t stand that crap.

Everybody turns their noses up at Real.  Websites that encode their online material in Real format really shoot themselves in the foot.  If a site demands Real to view content, then I just don’t view it.  Simple as that.

Real will die off soon enough.

Not to mention, they do sound desparate.  That’s corporate suicide.  They sound like a company who’s resorting to slander tactics because they aren’t getting what they want.  Boo-hoo…  That isn’t gonna get them anywhere and Apple doesn’t give a crap… and rightly so.

Apple indeed needs to open up the Ipod to handle other formats, though.  AAC isn’t being adopted by equipiment manufacturers.  And MP3 is crap.

MP3 isn’t getting any better and it’s on its way out in favor of the newer, technologically superior formats like AAC, WMA, and Ogg Vorbis.  So that leaves AAC when it comes to Apple, but how many car stereos, home stereos, and other portable players, CD or digital, use and recognize AAC?  None!  Except for the Ipod.  But there are hundreds of pieces of equipment out there that recognize WMA.  I would choose WMA over MP3 and AAC ANYDAY.

If Apple teams up with anybody, it should be Microsoft.  IMO, they need to open the Ipod up to the WMA standard.  The Ipod is the most popular player for now, but WMA is the most popular newer format.  In the near future, the players that can handle all of the most popular newer formats will become the players of choice, and AAC definitely is not a popular format.  Even game developers are staying away from AAC and choosing Ogg Vorbis or WMA instead.

iTunes may be popular now, but if/when Microsoft enters the scene, this would change the landscape in a big way, as even more options in downloadable music are available in WMA format (besides just Napster and WalMart - yuk).  The landscape will change even more if we move away from downloadable services like iTunes, and move into subscription based streamable/downloadable mobile music services, which very well may happen if/when Microsoft enters the scene.

Apple is enjoying its throne right now, but that won’t last forever.  One way or another, although Apple needs Real like anyone needs a heart attack, AAC will not win the format war.

Posted by Z in Irvine, CA on April 22, 2004 at 8:07 AM (CDT)


Actually, AAC is the most popular format, at least among purchased downloads, but not to MP3. True, a larger quantity of distributors use WMA, but the total sales fail to compare with iTunes.

I’m surprised you think MP3 sucks, but WMA rules. I guess we can all agree about Real. As far as Gates, this is a different battle than he normally fights against Apple. As long as the iPod is the No. 1 selling DMP, anything M$ puts out will follow from a distance. M$ has a history of putting out crap because it’s cheaper. They will own the cheap market, happily entwined with Wal-Mart. But it’s a different market when it involves music and entertainment, not CPUs.

The only thing that keeps M$ successful is that it’s too costly to switch. Smart business is creating more cost to change your existing service rather than paying less cost now, but more over time to maintain it. For example, Windoze users are comfortable with their platform and would rather pay money continually to maintain their computer problems than pay a larger amount of dough, one time, to replace the problems.

But the DMPs are a fresh market. There’s no cost to change, unless it’s in regard to portable CD players. That’s where the emphasis is. But from the CD player, the consumer has a right to choose iPod or whatever. Most people are choosing iPod. This isn’t a Windows vs. Mac battle. It’s DMP vs. CD.

Furthermore, Apple isn’t trying to boost the sales of WMA players. And WMA players will never be a threat. So I agree with Jobs that it’s just not worth it.

Posted by Wolf in Irvine, CA on April 22, 2004 at 5:55 PM (CDT)


<<< So that leaves AAC when it comes to Apple, but how many car stereos, home stereos, and other portable players, CD or digital, use and recognize AAC? >>>

What does that have to do with anything?  An iPod connected to a home or car setreo plays perfectly with no configuration.  I should know I do it every day.  I can burn a CD of my AAC songs that plays perfectly in most any CD player.  iTunes lets you rip in MP3 is you so choose.  So what’s the deal?  I don’t see a problem here. 

The only way my choices are limited are that I can’t import an WMA file into iTunes and I can’t rip CDs into WMA.

Posted by Bruce in Irvine, CA on April 23, 2004 at 6:26 PM (CDT)

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