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“Somewhere in East London the turntables are motionless. The only thing spinning is a chorus of iPod hard drives, or the ceiling(if you’re friends with the bartender).

The club’s name is Dreambagsjaguarshoes and the event is called noWax. The concept for noWax is simple: MP3s, not wax. iPods, not decks. On noWaxnights, mp3j’s bring their iPods and wait for the automated projector above the DJ booth to flash their number. They then plug-in and mix three songs back-to-back against another mp3j.”

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how you gonna “mix” three tracks without pitch control?

this sounds more like a contest to see who can find (download) the coolest and most obscure track.

blah.

one more time…

you cannot dj with ipods, or any other device lacking pitch control!!!!!  WTF?!?!

Posted by box on November 10, 2003 at 7:06 AM (PDT)

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Read B 4 U…....nevermind!!


““THE METHODS
There’s two ways to DJ with an iPod. The first is to go “pure Pod” and set up with two iPods and a mixer. This method is less perfect and more for the crowd’s geek-fun of it all. The mp3j’s doing all the mixing are usually audience members like at noWax or APT. The other way is to go “pro Pod.” People who actually get paid to DJ can hook their iPods to a laptop and use programs like DJ Studio or Final Scratch. They can then pretty much pre-program the entire night, but that’s no fun is it? You might as well just turn on the jukebox. “”

Posted by Prayer Answerer on November 10, 2003 at 7:17 AM (PDT)

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DJ can hook their iPods to a laptop.

Song1<—->Song2<—->Song3
      Mix         Mix


I got crayons to draw you pictures too!!

Posted by Dumas on November 10, 2003 at 7:29 AM (PDT)

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CD’s…MP3’s…Nothing will replace Wax.  REAL DJ’s scratch, beat juggle, mix…when I see Q-Bert, Roc Raider, A-Track, Craze, DJ Babu, etc., use iPod’s or CD’s then, maybe, I’ll be sold, until then, use your portable music device for travel, and let the real DJ’s run the party.  Where’s the skill in just hitting “play”?

Posted by TheGodSaysChill on November 10, 2003 at 8:13 AM (PDT)

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you still can’t dj with ipods.  unless something’s changed recently, final scratch doesn’t work with external drives.  even if it does work with ipods, it doesn’t handle the pitch control… that’s done with the turntables and fs records. 

blah.

so, again, i say… you can’t dj without pitch control.  the best you’ll get is dj boris giving you itunes quality crossfades of the latest euro trance crap.


>>>
until then, use your portable music device for travel, and let the real DJ’s run the party. Where’s the skill in just hitting “play”?
>>>

amen, brother.

Posted by Box on November 10, 2003 at 8:32 AM (PDT)

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It’s not about mixing or being an ultra cool DJ.

According to some, proper DJing is about ‘mixing’. Rubbish! Mixing is pointless if no one wants to hear the records being mixed. Being a real DJ is about the party.

While tumble weeds blow through the bones of the traditional dance venues, noWax and iParty are about having a laugh and bringing some fun back to small club and bars.

Some should ask themselves how mixing started in the first place? Because, inevitably, things move on and develop.

Posted by TheDoc on November 10, 2003 at 8:56 AM (PDT)

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“While tumble weeds blow through the bones of the traditional dance venues, noWax and iParty are about having a laugh and bringing some fun back to small club and bars. “

i dunno where you’re from, but the club scene (big and small) here is great.  you can even venture out at 3am on a monday to find a packed dance floor at several venues.  i guess that’s because the djs are rubbish and actually mix records.  nowax and iparty sound like nothing more than a glorified karaoke night.

“Some should ask themselves how mixing started in the first place? Because, inevitably, things move on and develop.”

if you ask me, mixing without pitch control is more like a step backwards than a development.

final scratch is a great development for the dj/club scene, but the ipod is merely a listening device best suited for the subway.  without any type of file manipulation i see the ipod’s club future being limited to bars where the dj plays the latest booty track and pours the water for the wet t-shirt contest.

again, i say blah.

Posted by Box on November 10, 2003 at 9:26 AM (PDT)

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You’re missing the point. It’s about the music. Do you think Kool herc had pitch control when he mixed his first records? What about Jah Shaka? He uses one deck and no mixer!

I DJ with vinyl and MP3s. This is just the start. Wait till apple release mixing/DJ iPods. We’ll all be able to save our backs and leave those record bags at home.

Posted by TheDoc on November 10, 2003 at 9:37 AM (PDT)

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Ask any good DJ and they will tell u that it’s all about the tunes, not the mix. You’re right that the digital mixing possibilities are v limited at the moment and so the seams of a set may lack finesse, but no DJ would consider his/her mixing abilities as MORE important than tune choice.

Posted by Joe on November 10, 2003 at 9:41 AM (PDT)

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“We’ll all be able to save our backs and leave those record bags at home.”

i can’t wait for this to happen!  i happen to be one of those djs that always brings way too many records.  btw… the worst offender of this has to be gene ferris, i once saw that cat bring no less than 6 crates for a two hour set.  that ####’s crazy!

“Ask any good DJ and they will tell u that it’s all about the tunes, not the mix.”

first as a listener, then as a dj, it’s always been about the mix to me.  good tunes are a must, sure.  but if the dj can’t put them together, the night is bust!

Posted by Box on November 10, 2003 at 10:08 AM (PDT)

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Tell that to the Chemical Brothers. They openly admitted they couldn’t mix back when they used to play live sets.

But if you’ve ever been to one of their parties you’d know mixing has fuckall to do about having a good time.

Posted by TheDoc on November 10, 2003 at 10:38 AM (PDT)

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As someone who (pre-girlfriend days) spent 3 or 4 nights a week out in NYC I have to agree with those who say its music first, DJ second. I have been to see Paul Van Dyk, Hex Hector, DJ Scribbles and all these guys are the at the level they are because they know how to mix the right music the right way.
DJ’s who feel that it ALL lies in the mix are the ones who overdo it and one second have a jam packed floor and the next have people heading for the door.
They think that people want to hear them tear from one song to another to kind of “show off” meanwhile it’s the song that’s playing that keeps them out there.

Posted by SpideyPod on November 10, 2003 at 10:58 AM (PDT)

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> Wait till apple release mixing/DJ iPods. We’ll all be able to save our backs and leave those record bags at home.

I’m going to second this, and give a shout out to “Karma” above. If yer the bloke who was pimping up the Karma a few weeks ago on this BBS then good on yer mate! I went straight out and tried one in Best Buy… awesome! I bought two!

For such a tiny device, the pitch shifting is precise and natural, with a good feel. It’s a long way from my Vestax, but it’s way closer than than any iPod is gonna get.

But now this pro mix thing? Hands-on feedback from scratching MP3s? I think we’re talking aerious cash here!

http://www.americandjeurope.com/product.asp?ProductIDNumber=994&cat;=

Posted by EbeneezerGoode on November 10, 2003 at 11:32 AM (PDT)

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spideypod:  i think the guys you mentioned are big because they know how to play popular music that easily digested by the electronic mainstream.  i agree, however, that the dj should be second to the music… nothing should be bigger than the music.  BUT, the dj needs to have skills and the tracks should be properly woven together to create the mood and complete the night.  i’ve heard far too many djs that can’t mix, and nothing ruins the night more for me than short mixes or bad mixes aka trainwrecks.

“DJ’s who feel that it ALL lies in the mix are the ones who overdo it and one second have a jam packed floor and the next have people heading for the door.”

i dunno about that, look at derrick carter… he keeps the floor packed from his first record til the lights come up.  he has some ofthe longest, smoothest and most beautiful mixes you’ll ever hear.  none of that 32 beat mix crap, his mixes go on for minutes.  he’s one of the few djs that “get it.”  electronic tracks are like unfinished works, and it’s the djs job to complete them.  thank god for cats like derrick, the dance culture would be much worse without them.

word.

Posted by Box on November 10, 2003 at 11:47 AM (PDT)

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“e has some ofthe longest, smoothest and most beautiful mixes you’ll ever hear”

And then there’s another Derrick, Derrick May. He does a 2-hour set where each song gets one, maybe two minutes alone, and then they are all blended seamlessly into each other.

In a typical session you could easily listen to 70 tracks or so in his set. That is mixing skill above and beyond what we mortals can ever aspire to! And I know it’s not possible with iPods or even with these Karma things! Vinyl forever!

Posted by DerrickMay on November 10, 2003 at 12:13 PM (PDT)

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“derrick may”

ahh, the innovator.  i’ve never been a huge fan, but have much respect for the history and influence of the man!  where we would be without may, atkins and saunderson?

“In a typical session you could easily listen to 70 tracks or so in his set.”

you should check out zachary lubin, once known as mumtaz.  i haven’t heard him in a while, but he was known to drop like a hundred tracks in a 90 minute set. you gotta love techno! 

“That is mixing skill above and beyond what we mortals can ever aspire to!”

that’s also something trance/progressive djs will never understand, with their 12 minute tracks and 32 beat mixes.  i’ll never understand how a dj could collect money for 2 hour set that included less than 20 tracks, or a cd mix with only 10 tracks.  i guess playing so few tracks gives those clowns more time to sign autographs and hit on chicks.  who cares about the music when it’s all about the celebrity? blah.

Posted by box on November 10, 2003 at 12:32 PM (PDT)

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interesting opinions.  in MY opinion…...

“wax” will always sound superior.  better than cassette, better than cd, better than md and much much better than a highly compressed digital format like mp3, where musical elements like dynamics and frequncy range are highly compromised.  in a perfect world all music would be on vynl.  don’t get me wrong, i love my ipod, the convinience is unparalleled, but when i want crystal clear sound, you gotta hit the wax.

going to see an ipod dj will still be just as boring as going to see an “wax” dj. 

box states “i’ll never understand how a dj could collect money for 2 hour set that included less than 20 tracks, or a cd mix with only 10 tracks”

i’ll never understand howany of these clowns get paid.  i will never again pay to see some drugged up ###### hunched over himself in a dark corner playing with someone elses music.  this is not entertainment.  this is not musicality.  this is not art.  people, go see bands.  go see a performance.  be engaged.  embrace originality.

Posted by djs_are_the_death_of_originality on November 10, 2003 at 8:11 PM (PDT)

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I’ve actually been to this night, and it is genuinely a really cool, friendly night.
Most people come down with some amazing tracks, and the whole thing about it, is not, it;s not “pure” mixing, and it hasn;t been touted as such.
Box…most of us who go to this night are misic afficionados, and still got to other clubs where DJ’s scratch and sniff etc etc, but come on, give them a break for trying something new.
It is a great idea, and gives the audinece something back.

Posted by Griff on November 11, 2003 at 6:59 AM (PDT)

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griff…

i never said this was a bad idea, or wouldn’t be a good time.  i’m just sick of always hearing someone talk about “djing” with an ipod.  i’m glad you enjoy this event, and hope everyone there is exposed to some new and interesting music.

djs are death…

quit talking outta your ###.  i don’t like music by “bands,” and find electronic music to be quite entertaining.  but thanks for the advice, i’ll be sure to think of you next time i’m bringing up my dinner when forced to listen to johnny starband trying to get by knowing less than 3 chords.  fyi… 90% of what’s available by “bands” is less artistic, original and enjoyable than a kid throwing empty beer cans from the top of a two story building.  you wanna be engaged by true artists, listen to some classical guitar.  prepare to be amazed at what beautiful sounds a guitar can make when played by someone with talent, skill and more motivation than free bjs backstage.  grow up and expand your horizons, son, before telling me to be engaged.

Posted by Box on November 11, 2003 at 8:37 AM (PDT)

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box…..“trying to get by knowing less than 3 chords. fyi… 90% of what’s available by “bands” is less artistic, original and enjoyable”........

please note :

pink floyd, radiohead, black grape, r.e.m, van morrison, mahler, ride, sting, ash, beck, a perfect circle, elliot smith, massive attack, azure ray, brendan benson, led zeplin, leftfield, lou reed, afrika bambata, run dmc, the church, crowded house, u2, richard ashcroft, stevie wonder, neil young, paul weller, dizzy gilespie, lou reed, the velvet underground, johhny cash, nirvana, interpol, de la soul, the hives, morrisey, miles davis, the chemical bros, john lee hooker, slava gregorian, tool, orbital, goldfrapp, devin townsend…and the list of brilliant musicians i respect and listen to on a regular basis could continue for pages, this only scratches the surface.

please don’t get me wrong.  i appreciate and listen to ALL forms of music, electronic music included (the chemical bros were one of the best live acts i’ve seen, followed closely by the Chicago Symp belting out Mahler 5).  what i can’t understand is why dj’s are idolised the way they are, especially when they are essentially just playing someone elses music.  and playing is not even the word for it, more like pressing play.

having played, taught and performed music nearly my whole life, i’d say my horizons are “expanded” enough (oh and by the way kid, your talking to a 38 year old).

keep debate alive!!!

Posted by djs_are_the_death_of_originality on November 11, 2003 at 4:20 PM (PDT)

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