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Works With iPhone doesn’t Work With iPhone 3G?

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By Charles Starrett

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Published: Thursday, July 31, 2008
News Categories: Apple

A recent statement from a third-party iPod and iPhone accessory manufacturer has raised questions regarding the scope and nature of Apple’s Works With iPhone certification, which was until now understood to guarantee that an accessory would be compatible with current and upcoming iPhone hardware. In a press release issued today, however, Altec Lansing announced that its T612 Digital Speaker System for iPhone and iPod has “passed ‘Works with iPhone’ iPhone 3G test requirements for use with Apple’s latest generation iPhone,” noting that the system received certification for the original iPhone in January 2008.

According to Apple, Works With iPhone certification is supposed to be issued only after special radio interference and electrical testing have been conducted by an independent lab, and the company requires developers to purchase and integrate a special Apple authentication chip into their devices. However, readers and iLounge editors have confirmed that the iPhone 3G triggers Apple’s “This accessory is not made to work with iPhone” nag screen when used with at least two previously WWi-certified products, a screen that should not appear when connecting to any WWi accessory. One of these products, the iHome iP99 Alarm Clock Radio, displays the nag screen but otherwise continues to operate as noted in our earlier review, the other, XtremeMac’s InCharge Auto, also displays the screen yet continues to charge the iPhone 3G. Additional WWi accessories we have tested from JBL, Altec Lansing, and Belkin continue to work as they did with the original iPhone.

There have also been a number of products released with the Works With iPhone badge despite deviations from the radio or electrical standards originally understood to be required for certification. It remains unclear what, if any, changes Apple has made to the certification program for the iPhone 3G, or how many previously released WWi products may be incompatible with the iPhone 3G.

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1

This is really getting out of control, I have a simple audio cable the has a 3.5mm connector on one end and a dock connector on the other end and it has worked perfectly with my 3rd generation, 4th generation, and Classic iPods without a problem.  I went to plug it into my car the other day with my iPhone 3G and it don’t work, this crap is getting out of control.  Apple needs to either produce these items themselves, at a reasonable price, or get the necessary specifications to the developers and let them do their job.  Having to buy new accesories with every new device is just bull*@!% at its finest!!!

Posted by Jason Bingham on July 31, 2008 at 11:49 AM (PDT)

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I can’t agree more with you Jason. I am have the same problem. I have the new scion XB 2008 model. I had the first gen iphone and the kit that came with my car to hook it up with my radio worked fine for the first gen Iphone.  The new Iphone 3g said it could not charge it but would play the music. I was really mad because by the time i got to work my battery would be dead.

I am getting PISSED off. Because i hate driving and trying to read my iphone 3g and try to find stuff when i could just set it and not have to touch it unless u wanted to use the stearing wheel to change to the next song.

Apple needs to get there butt in gear and bring a patch or a firmware which fixes everthing. I hope they get this problem fixed or alot of LONG time apple people will be upset and will flood the system with calls.  This is our 1billion dollers that they made off the Iphone 3g at it’s finest.

APPLE PLEASE FIX THIS PROBLEM!!!!!!!!!

Posted by Nathan from charlotte NCq on July 31, 2008 at 12:16 PM (PDT)

3

MY DLO Transdock FM Transmitter charges and plays music through the radio.  I suppose it’s just luck?  It also gets the interference message.

Posted by Milhaus on July 31, 2008 at 12:39 PM (PDT)

4

I have been getting the “doesn’t work with iphone” message on the original iphone dock hooked up to me intel imac.

Posted by phillip on July 31, 2008 at 1:56 PM (PDT)

5

oh i forgot to mention that i have the iphone edge.

Posted by phillip on July 31, 2008 at 1:57 PM (PDT)

6

Total BS.

Apple needs to answer to this and FIX IT. Just saying, “oh, the iPhone 3G may not be compatible with some previous accessories” is simply unacceptable.

Posted by kloan on July 31, 2008 at 4:34 PM (PDT)

7

Whats BS is these posts.

Properly made iPod accessories- those that charge with USB (what Apple has been pushing since 2005) will work fine.

Those companies that tried to reverse engineer the dock are the ones hardest hit.

I’ve got a 3G and all my stuff works fine - Yamaha home theater dock, Sony clock radio, DLO FM mod, etc.  These companies made quality and they work fine.  Those that cut corners don’t.  Don’t be mad at Apple for you buying low end stuff or the companies cheapening out…

Posted by itguy08 on July 31, 2008 at 7:37 PM (PDT)

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Just upgraded to the 3G from the Edge iPhone and guess what? My Belkin Auto Adapter will not charge the 3G while it will charge the Edge. It will play the music though, but what’s the point? I need it to charge!

Posted by CydeWeyz on July 31, 2008 at 10:48 PM (PDT)

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Then blame Belkin. 

The problem is this:

iPods used to charge via FIREWIRE and USB.  Firewire is a 12v connection and USB is 5v.  What many did was use the Firewire pins/voltages as 12v is what your car is and is prevalent in other non-computer electronics….

Guess what?  Since 2005 Apple has been pushing away from Firewire (the Nanos, 5g, touch, etc) supported syncing via FW and only supported charging.

Had the accessory manufacturers not cheaped-out and went Firewire we wouldn’t be having this discussion…

Write Belkin, tell them you are upset and will not be buying from them in the future.  The buy another that works better.  As I said before, the better (Made for iPod certified?) accessories work fine.  The only thing I lost was an old B-series iGo iTip.  Got the new, correct A-series for the iPod and all is fine again!

Posted by itguy08 on August 1, 2008 at 4:35 AM (PDT)

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Correction, Apple cheaped out by deciding to no longer offer customers the option of syncing via USB or firewire. They started by no longer including the firewire cable in the iPod box, then they cut costs further by completely pulling out the firewire circuitry.

Posted by Vincent Colombo on August 1, 2008 at 8:47 AM (PDT)

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Belkin has not offered a FireWire-based iPod charger in about two years.  They switched to USB-based charging for their accessories in late 2006 along with most other manufacturers.

Granted that there’s still a lot of older stock out there in stores, since Belkin products were so widely distributed, so it’ possible that an older Belkin charger may still be around, but any of the chargers that they are currently selling (which can be viewed on their web site), will charge via USB and should work just fine.

With regards to other accessories that were Works-with-iPhone certified, the biggest problem seems to be that they bring up the “Not Compatible” nag screen due to authentication chip issues. Other than this one issue, most of these accessories seem to work fine otherwise.

The point, however, is that you paid for a Works-with-iPhone certified accessory so that you wouldn’t get that prompt and could be guaranteed a certain level of compatibility.  Instead, the iPhone 3G has introduced a whole new level of confusion and uncertainty.

Posted by Jesse Hollington in Toronto on August 1, 2008 at 10:29 AM (PDT)

12

I was going to purchase a Griffin PowerJolt for my 3G as it is listed on the Apple.com store as a compatible car charger but when I got to the Apple store, the associate stated that I should not buy it, as it is not yet approved to work with the 3G. At the same time, I went to the Griffin website and they do not list this product being compatible with the 3G either. I also went to the AT&T;store and they are selling this product as well to customers, stating that it does work. I also posted a User Review @ Apple.com for this product telling this story, and they denied my posting.

For those who use their phone alot and power drains, there is no mobile solution to charge in your car. I agree with others in this post that this is rediculous and a solution needs to be met.

Posted by Brian Lew on August 1, 2008 at 3:13 PM (PDT)

13

you know, there are too many whiners about how Apple changes this and that, etc.  if you don’t like what Apple is doing, then QUIT buying Apple products.  There are reasons why they change things, and as frustrating as it is, it’s ALL business for them.  If people want to complain, then QUIT buying their products to protest it.  jeez, people.

Posted by phongsta on August 1, 2008 at 5:15 PM (PDT)

14

Apple may have switched all of the internal charging circuitry back in 2005 but a lot of iPod/iPhone owners are just now hearing about this issue for the first time - three years (and thousands of dollars) later. Apple couldn’t be bothered to inform customers about this?

What I don’t understand is, if this change was implemented in 2005, why is it that affected accessories (like the Belkin car charger) won’t work with the iPhone, but will work with other post-2005 iPods like the Classic?

It sounds to me like Apple isn’t completely innocent on this one.

Posted by Paul on August 1, 2008 at 7:29 PM (PDT)

15

It is because Apple is going for easy sales to PCs, that have never adapted the superior firewire standard, rather than keeping it around to induce that as an option in their never seen a firewire cable PC customers, that you have lost this needed flexibility.

Posted by bud on August 2, 2008 at 11:45 AM (PDT)

16

iPhone 3G require certain resistors to be added to the accessories in order for it to charge. Many companies who sell license product do not have in house engineers that develop the actual products to Apple specs and depend on their OEM suppliers to provide the solutions.

Posted by ken on August 2, 2008 at 9:34 PM (PDT)

17

The Griffin PowerJolt does work fine with the 3G iPhone, as well as the 1st Gen phones and every docking iPod besides the 3rd Gen. So does the PowerJolt SE, and it’s cheaper.

Posted by Rachel on August 2, 2008 at 9:42 PM (PDT)

18

Some people here clearly don’t get the whole picture and don’t know what they’re talking about.

Charging devices are NOT the only accessories that have been affected.

Many other accessories such as audio cables, docks and other adapters no longer work either.

Posted by kloan on August 3, 2008 at 3:13 PM (PDT)

19

“Certification”.... is Apple’s greediness shining through at last… money, money, money…. just make sure you only buy accessories from the over-priced Apple store…. and you’ll be fine…. Maybe… WAKE UP, PEOPLE!!

Posted by DJ on August 3, 2008 at 5:28 PM (PDT)

20

I think ITguy works for Apple.  The only reason to have a new generation product with the same exact connector, cable, and interface but a change in pin assignments or firmware interaction is to trick an unsuspecting loyal customer into thinking thief old acces. will work at the time of purchase.  This seems to be a well thought out hustle. By the time you get your phone home sand realize your perfectly good acces. doesn’t work you have already turned off your old phone, signed up for a two year contract, possibly purchased a new case or some apps.  Not to mention got a load of all of the 3G coolness.  This is a trap. Apple will not make a patch. Will not make and sell their own at a decent price. This was a part of their plan. I would expect this of microsoft whom creates compatibility issues for no reason (office 07) and could care less about pissing off their customers but I always hoped apple would be cooler than that. The pennies on the dollar Apple most likely gets from these “certified”(a term for any manufacturer willing to pay Apple for their stamp of approval not for any special screening/testing process) access. vendors is to petty in the grand scheme of the whole iphone phenom. They are also trying to push out some of the access. makers who aren’t paying apple to play by this tactic is useless. The people who get hosed will most likely go buy the same brand they originally had that worked fine for a price they could live with. What happens is the non apple sanctioned vendor is handed a brand new revenue stream and the loyal Apple customer pays for it all. It is a shame they would be that petty.

Posted by pheeva on August 16, 2008 at 10:51 PM (PDT)

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