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Updated: Audio Outfitters looking for beta testers for new iPod product

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Posted by Andy on January 21, 2004 at 2:04 PM (PDT)

RIAA sues 532 music downloaders

From your link:
(which I srongly suspect you did not bother to read)

The term intellectual property is problematic because the rights conferred by IP laws are limited, in contrast with the legal rights associated with property interests in physical goods or land. Not entirely coincidentally, the presence of the word property in the term favours the position of proponents of the expansion of intellectual property rights, who may thereby more readily draw on the rhetoric of property itself to remove the many restrictions built into intellectual property law which would be inappropriate if applied to physical goods.

Opponents of the term also point out that the law itself treats these rights differently than those involving physical property. To give three examples, copyright infringement is not punishable by laws against theft, but rather by an entirely different set of laws with different penalities. Patent infringement is not a criminal offense although it may subject the infringer to civil liability. Possessing stolen physical goods is a criminal offense while mere possessing of goods which infringe on copyright is not.

Posted by Pierre-Joseph Proudhon on January 21, 2004 at 2:03 PM (PDT)

Updated: Audio Outfitters looking for beta testers for new iPod product

as of now I am almost positive that hes legit. if not completely positive. Charlie, im not sure about everyone else but I trust you.

Posted by Andy on January 21, 2004 at 2:03 PM (PDT)

Updated: Audio Outfitters looking for beta testers for new iPod product

so charlie, how many people signed up? are we talkin thousands for 100 spots or what? just wonderin what the chances are i’ll get picked. also, as somone else mentioned, is there an age requirement?

Posted by aswimmer94563 on January 21, 2004 at 2:00 PM (PDT)

RIAA sues 532 music downloaders

Yes, downloads ARE property.  Intellectual Property isn’t that difficult a concept to grasp, Pierre.

Posted by djhitman on January 21, 2004 at 1:56 PM (PDT)

RIAA sues 532 music downloaders

Property is theft.

Downloads are not property.

Posted by Pierre-Joseph Proudhon on January 21, 2004 at 1:48 PM (PDT)

Updated: Audio Outfitters looking for beta testers for new iPod product

Well, I send him an email.  If he’s legit and I’m comfortable that the product won’t damage my unit I’m willing to give him feedback.

Posted by sarrett on January 21, 2004 at 1:45 PM (PDT)

RIAA sues 532 music downloaders

IANALBIPOOTV, copying copywritten material without the consent of the copywrite holder is theft plain and simple.

Property is property, regardless if its physical or intellectual.

Posted by Jason on January 21, 2004 at 1:35 PM (PDT)

"The iPod is the modern-day equivalent of the Samurai sword"

Well said gabe - when i have my girlfriend walking by my side is when i know that i’ve made it, not a hard drive dressed up in white and silver!

Posted by dmeineck on January 21, 2004 at 1:26 PM (PDT)

RIAA sues 532 music downloaders

If you don’t like the price of CDs the alternative isn’t to steal them - jacko.

  Why not

Posted by irtehpod on January 21, 2004 at 1:25 PM (PDT)

Members of Parliamant in UK vote on iPod battery issue

Yeah, with our british soldiers being killed in iraq after being ordered to give flak jackets to other soldiers due to known and ignored equipment shortages, why on earth has the goverment got time to devote to consumer electrical issues?!!!

Not that im complaining if i get a cheap battery replacement program (i know hypocrite) but i would be pretty pissed off if i was being rogered by westminster on the other current issues and this topic had time wasted on it.

Posted by dmeineck on January 21, 2004 at 1:20 PM (PDT)

Shure E2 for $76 at MicrophoneSolutions.com

How would you compare them to the future sonic EM3??
I had the Plug from Koss once and didn’t lie the fit at all….
Are these better in terms of fitting??

Posted by m. on January 21, 2004 at 1:17 PM (PDT)

RIAA sues 532 music downloaders

Downloading unauthorized music is not “theft”, and it is not a crime. It is a actionable in civil court by copyright holders, or their agents.

Any attempts to conflate the theft of physical property that deprives the owner of possession against a duplication of information contrary to a copyright owner’s specifications is mendacious.

Downloading is not theft. No CDs have been stolen.

Posted by IANALBIPOOTV on January 21, 2004 at 1:17 PM (PDT)

"The iPod is the modern-day equivalent of the Samurai sword"

goddamn - i soo hate u steve jobs…  im not gay steve - but thank u for that thought - hey did u guys see the ipodlounge photos of their get together?  omg - ull be creeped out!! they are all like in their 40’s - its scary!!! 
anyways i dont feel like ‘i made it’ by buying an ipod - chris that was very shallow im sorry - very shallow.  bad chris. bad. 
its only 400 bucks - try buying a 50 K plus car and then we’ll talk about status - most people bought the ipod for functionality - really - who here wants to risk looking like a dork walking around with a stupid white harddrive ?  i mean who are u showing off 2?  the next dork?  the avg person wont know how 2 use it - thats why those photos on the ipodlounge get together is all fat old ugly menin their 40’s -  i mean we are on ipodlounge for christsake!  i site dedicated to a harddrive - im such a dork.. shlt .....  i hate steve jobs

Posted by gabe on January 21, 2004 at 1:10 PM (PDT)

Shure E2 for $76 at MicrophoneSolutions.com

Ditto, margk- just picked my up for $80 at Guitar Center.  They sound pretty awesome so far.

Posted by chupacabra on January 21, 2004 at 1:00 PM (PDT)

RIAA sues 532 music downloaders

iPodlounger,

I agree with you insofar as you criticise those who are getting abusive. But to treat this like any other debate seems bizarre. On one side of this debate you have those loudly claiming their ‘right’ to steal what they are not entitled to. You should perhaps consider whether it’s responsible to take quite such a ‘detached’ view of what is, in essence, simple theft. I would have thought it politic for the owner of iPodlounge to stay on the right side of the music industry, and would have thought that actively discouraging illegal downloading would show moral strength, and, in the long term, might benefeit law-abiding iPodders.

Or are we going to have unmoderated threads giving advice on how best to shop-lift CDs from HMV, or whining about how the record stores prosecute you when you try and walk out with twelve CDs under your jacket?

If you don’t like the price of CDs the alternative isn’t to steal them.

Posted by Jacko on January 21, 2004 at 12:59 PM (PDT)

RIAA sues 532 music downloaders

Downloader:  and I bet you don’t even jay walk.  You ppl are a bunch of wussies.  The RIAA are scum and all they do is try to save an obsolete industry plagued with shallow superficial pop stars.  GET A LIFE and DOWHATCHALIKE!

Posted by MrJones on January 21, 2004 at 12:49 PM (PDT)

Shure E2 for $76 at MicrophoneSolutions.com

I strongly suggest this company… I bought some of these, didnt like them, returned them… And Microphone Solutions has the best customer service i have EVER DEALT WITH… i would suggest the shure e3
they look like a better value, and they should be more comfortable.
GO microphonesolutions !!!

Posted by Mijman2 on January 21, 2004 at 12:43 PM (PDT)

"The iPod is the modern-day equivalent of the Samurai sword"

Yay! I’m a samurai!

Posted by Special Ed on January 21, 2004 at 12:18 PM (PDT)

RIAA sues 532 music downloaders

Let me remind some of you: Any abusive comments toward other readers will be deleted and in some cases the person making the comment will be banned.

There ARE constructive ways to make your points without having to get nasty with each other.

Posted by Dennis Lloyd in Irvine, CA on January 21, 2004 at 12:11 PM (PDT)

RIAA sues 532 music downloaders

say, what’s the ruling that happened a few weeks ago dealing with the RIAA and ISP’s? Can someone clarify that?

Posted by Fiddytree on January 21, 2004 at 12:10 PM (PDT)

RIAA sues 532 music downloaders

hey… why are you getting so personal?
if the guy wants to download for free thats his
choice. dont tell me you have never downloaded anything ilegal in your life…
The music industry has manipulated the prices, products, you named they have done it..
One word…......Karma…....

Posted by hb2 in Phoenix arizona on January 21, 2004 at 12:08 PM (PDT)

Updated: Audio Outfitters looking for beta testers for new iPod product

it should be interesting. can’t wait. hope to hear from you soon Charlie.

Posted by Andy on January 21, 2004 at 12:07 PM (PDT)

RIAA sues 532 music downloaders

seems like there are only saints on this board

Posted by jaroni on January 21, 2004 at 12:00 PM (PDT)

Updated: Audio Outfitters looking for beta testers for new iPod product

charlie:
I’ll stay on - however, I am curious to see how invasive the questions on your survey will be.  Additionally, I’d advise the whole crew here not to fill anything out unless you come forward with some sort of description of what you are trying to test.  Product release and testing usually relies on the product being somwhere NEAR avaialbility.  that your questionaire, “disclosure” , product summary and website are not yet complete is HIGHLY suspicious and is, at the very least, no way to run a business.

there - either I’ve saved folks from fraud or you’ve found the voice that is going to be hardest on your product and company.

I can’t wait to see what you’ve got,
daddo

Posted by daddo on January 21, 2004 at 11:50 AM (PDT)