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Warning: Don't buy an European iPod, its volume is too low

If you 3rd gen iPodders are not happy with your toys, then complain to Apple. As many of us 1st & 2nd gen iPodders have found, your complaints will go unheard and your posts will be deleted. 

All I can say is Wah Waah! :p

Posted by DannieB on June 17, 2003 at 1:48 AM (CDT)

Warning: Don't buy an European iPod, its volume is too low

Hi Brett!

Thanks fou your comment. I do see your point.

What I suggest was meant to be more like that: Apple is going to release a Firmware Updater sooner then later because of the USB 2.0 support. All they would have to do is make the EU version of that updater and the US version just as they planned.
now they simply do NOT prevent the US updater (which can only be downloaded from the US website of course) to be applied to the EU iPod and letting it over-write the old EU firmware.
—> voila!
It’s the users fault if he does so cause Apple does tell EU users only to use the EU updater.

Infact, it will even be easier for Apple, cause the US updater will not have to have a checking-routine on whether the EU or the US firmware is on the iPod.

Not that difficult, you see?

kind regards


Posted by King Aragorn on June 17, 2003 at 1:39 AM (CDT)

Warning: Don't buy an European iPod, its volume is too low

All those activities and the costs associated with them are not going to cause iPod sales to increase, so why should they do it?  They gain nothing.

That’s the bottom line for Apple.

Posted by Brett on June 17, 2003 at 1:29 AM (CDT)

Warning: Don't buy an European iPod, its volume is too low

Who’s going to develop and test that app to remove the cap?  Do you realize how expensive testing is, especially when you take into account the multitude of configurations for Windows based PCs?  Tech and customer service reps are going to have to be trained, that costs money as well.  Also, what about the costs associated wtih investigating this problem in order to see if it can be fixed?  Marketing collateral is going to have to be tweaked, that isn’t inconsequential.  I’m sure the EU will want it to be re-certified again which again costs money.

Add up the costs of all those activities and it turns out that costs are not inconsequential, nor is it a “simple fix”. 

All those activities cut into Apple’s margin.  If they want to raise the price of iPods in the Eurpean market and not pass it off to any others, I have no problem with it.

Imagination isn’t required.  I work in the tech industry and make these kinds of decisions on a daily basis.  Business in this industry is about doing the most you can within the timeframe allotted and with limited resources while doing your damndest to increase your margins.

Posted by Brett on June 17, 2003 at 1:25 AM (CDT)

Warning: Don't buy an European iPod, its volume is too low

Ok Guys!

Some of you are getting the point, others don’t. And there is no need for being unfriendly or rude infact, maybe you shoud think about your manners a bit. If this problem doesn’t bother you, why are you posting anyway.

—-> Brett
About “understanding” vs “studying”:
What about providing a downloadable updater that simply removes the volume-cap? That would NOT interfer with French law and it would NOT cost that much. So please, try to use your imagination and don’t tell me I don’t understand. Business is all about what can be done, and not about what can’t.

—-> Alex
Come on, can’t you be more friendly?
Normally I don’t reply to posts like that, but why not: infact, I pasted both studies, and that I did quite good. But that doesn’t contribute to a solution.

My arguement for returning is not that “utter crap” as you might think. I do understand that you have a problem getting the background-meaning of it, but belive me, it works.

—-> Daniel
Thanks for your advise, but yes, I know the difference about “headphone jack” and “line out”. I took the dock to my car stereo and tried it with the dock (hence “line out”) as well.

***** One Mistake I made:

I have to admit, I made ONE mistake in writing this article: turning up the volume on your stereo DOES not lead to sound distortions! Only turning up the volume via iTunes getinfo command causes these distortions (in some tracks).
Sorry, my fault. Appologies for that.

**** low volume CAN really be a pain:
For those who worried about my hearing. Thanks for your sympathy, but my hearing is good.
Think about that: About 20% of the music on my iPod is not Rock/Pop, but Classic. There are many classic tracks that have very low-volume parts in it. It is always (!) difficult to listen to classic music when your are in noise places. The only way you can get around that is by turning up the volume. But on my iPod, that doesn’t work, cause it is capped.
You might say that doesn’t matter.
I say, I spent Eur 460 for it and to me it matters.

I thank you all for your comments and thoughts. Even if some didn’t show the politeness they should have, I do appreciate all of them.


King Aragorn

Posted by King Aragorn on June 17, 2003 at 12:45 AM (CDT)

"Old and New iPods, Side-by-Side" Review

The battery for New model is inferior to old one. That’s a serious fact to considering I think

Posted by Harrison on June 17, 2003 at 12:38 AM (CDT)

Open Letter to Apple Concerning the Mistreatment of Apple Customers

i’ve had a 3rd Gen 15 gig for the past month, and let me tell you oldies, the OTG aint all that. It isnt as useful as promised(it has SOME use, ill give it that). That said, I really dont know what the oldies are complaining about, since i’d gladly trade my clicks between tracks, my way less-than 8 hour batt life (actual use), my sometimes-wont wake up from sleep, and my average of 1 reset a day version for the relatively bug-free 2nd gen pods.

I guess its true that the grass is always greener on the other side. We have 2nd Gen podders clamoring for 3rd Gen features, and we got 3rd Gen users whining why it aint as bug-free as the 2nd Gen.
Lets just all be content with what we have, k? Its all about the music people. It always has been.

Im a Mitsurugi user myself, but my fave showdown character was Jubei. He rocked!

Posted by Reorx on June 16, 2003 at 11:38 PM (CDT)

DJ Rents Customized iPods to Businesses

Good point NiTRO.

Posted by jsmoove7 on June 16, 2003 at 7:12 PM (CDT)

Open Letter to Apple Concerning the Mistreatment of Apple Customers

ID, I have a question. I’ve noticed all the talk about these song ratings. Why are they so desirable? They don’t seem as useful to me as on the go playlists, especially if it functions correctly.

Posted by zync on June 16, 2003 at 7:10 PM (CDT)

Warning: Don't buy an European iPod, its volume is too low

I have to agree with the post above concerning headphones. I prefer to use Grado SR60’s which although designed to be driven by portable appliances, still require slightly more driving than earphones. I find the output on the iPod to be the only dissapointing thing about it, it is definately lower in volume than both my minidiscman and my wife’s discman.

I bought some MDR-EX71SL earphones which are a marked improvement on the ones that ship with the pod, ie I can actually use them on the train. The phones are still to quiet though unless I have the volume set to well over 75-80% - which then bothers me since I hate having to set it so high.

It’s not that hard to release a software patch for this issue. The patch doesn’t need to be region specific all it needs is a legal disclaimer to cover the French region disclaiming all liability if you choose to install it and are French. Presumably if this was available from the AMERICAN site it wouldn’t be covered under European law.

Sort it out Apple, you are hobbling a perfectly decent product.

Posted by GuyVer on June 16, 2003 at 7:09 PM (CDT)

Open Letter to Apple Concerning the Mistreatment of Apple Customers

Billy, having not even bought an iPod you’re one to talk about someone not spending their own money. Why would I lie in an open letter to a company about using my scholarship money in which I complain about them not being open to us. My parents work long hours many days a week just to pay for their cars and our house. I wish they had the money to pay for my iPod. Don’t you think if my parents were those kind of people I could just ask them to buy me another one? If they’re so loaded as you think why don’t I just go try that instead of taking my time to write what I did, make what I make, and post here. Please, if you can’t stop trying to think you know me, at least make your arguent make sense.

Oh yeah, BTW I used HWANG.

Posted by zync on June 16, 2003 at 6:58 PM (CDT)

Warning: Don't buy an European iPod, its volume is too low

yep i hope everyone can realise that we all have different needs, and it would be ideal if Apple could cater to all of them. However it does seem quite worrying if you have to listen to music at full blast to enjoy it, perhaps it’s better to lay off earphones for a bit?

Posted by ibons on June 16, 2003 at 6:47 PM (CDT)

Zip your iPod, new case announced

Ok, let me know when you are in Hong Kong, I need test drivers for future cases I am making for iPod, iBook, PowerBook and other keyboard protects and screen protectors, you may want to be one of them. Test drivers when needed will be posted on the site.

Posted by Lajo Cymbalski on June 16, 2003 at 6:26 PM (CDT)

Open Letter to Apple Concerning the Mistreatment of Apple Customers

Also, Billy, looking back at my posts I’m proud. Do you know why? I didn’t sound whiny and I certainly did not embarass myself. Neither did anyone who posted in my favor. Why? We all had the best points. No matter what anyone has said I’ve come back with a better response. Not only that, but you people have also replied with the same thing over and over ad infinitum. You do realize that in any form of debate (not that I was on a debate team BTW, though speech was a required class at my highschool) repeating your points is a sign of a weak argument. I’ve been not only non-repetitive in my replies to the same topics but also innovative with my own arguments. You’ve said the same thing as many other people on this post and you know what? You’re no more correct than they are and believe me, they weren’t.

Posted by zync on June 16, 2003 at 6:14 PM (CDT)

iSkin for iPod 5GB and 10GB for $10

sorry the asp code is not finished yet for the order page, you can view the colors and then send an email to order. All orders will be shipped by

Posted by Lajo Cymbalski on June 16, 2003 at 5:59 PM (CDT)

"Old and New iPods, Side-by-Side" Review

That’s one quality (funny) review.  :)

Posted by VK on June 16, 2003 at 5:55 PM (CDT)

Warning: Don't buy an European iPod, its volume is too low

If my fellow ipod

Posted by b0f on June 16, 2003 at 4:27 PM (CDT)

"Old and New iPods, Side-by-Side" Review

I had some requests for iPod pictures, so I added a couple to the review.  The wheel on the new iPod is pretty washed out, but since there are no moving parts, there isn’t enough variance between it and the rest of the face of the iPod for the camera to really pick it out.  And it doesn’t help that they are all white.  The picture of the two side by side shows how much more rounded the new iPods are, but also that they really aren’t as much smaller as one might assume.

Posted by Christian Cantrell on June 16, 2003 at 4:22 PM (CDT)

Warning: Don't buy an European iPod, its volume is too low

So is there a method of doing lineout with the 2G model?

Posted by nate on June 16, 2003 at 3:50 PM (CDT)

Open Letter to Apple Concerning the Mistreatment of Apple Customers

Billy, unlike a childish little kid playing many games like showdown, I happened to do other things during my teenage life. I only played Soul Calibur because I bowled and we’d play that before league play, but I much preferred pool. That iPod was paid for by me, if you’d like to see the receipt for it with my debit card number on it and my debit card itself I’d show you if that would prove it but I have nothing to prove to you, especially since I’m not going to just post a graphic of my card on the net because of identity fraud, however I believe the receipt does have my name on it so when I get my digital camera back I’ll take a picture of it. My parents pay for jack squat because they don’t have college educations and lots of money just so you know. Oh and BTW you’re an ass. Do you honestly think some internet twit will really hurt my feelings. Call me a whiney baby, call me a brat. Ask anyone who knows me, like Bob. I just want what I pay for because I don’t have lots of money to spend but I do pay for every damn thing I own, so instead of sitting at home on your ass, why don’t you do something productive so you don’t have to complain where you don’t belong. And, BTW, if you think I don’t work, remember I post on here usually at 2:00 AM eastern, after I get home from work. Don’t ever come on here and talk about someone as if you know them. How dare you say that about me.

ID, I’m also angry about the bugs. Like when I go to play a song and the one after it plays.

Posted by zync on June 16, 2003 at 3:41 PM (CDT)

Mac: iLyric 0.7 Released

You guys should download the LyricTracker client. That works pretty well and it has iPod support.

Posted by kainjow on June 16, 2003 at 3:13 PM (CDT)

Warning: Don't buy an European iPod, its volume is too low

I’ve noticed my ipod has a very low sound level (i’m french).
I’m just planing to install the US firmware as soosn as it is available.

Posted by mushkin on June 16, 2003 at 3:10 PM (CDT)

Zip your iPod, new case announced

I’ve already cancelled the order.  and I will just buy it off the store in HK then.

Posted by ywwong on June 16, 2003 at 2:48 PM (CDT)

Warning: Don't buy an European iPod, its volume is too low

Somehow i feel reading about an elephant. But it’s only a mouse, and a very little one. I’m Swiss and attorney, but nevertheless there are to many “!!!” in this article.

Owned a 20gig iPod (actually my girlfriend’s now), bought a 15gig and have no volume problem at all. And we use our “Dr

Posted by Fex on June 16, 2003 at 2:26 PM (CDT)

Warning: Don't buy an European iPod, its volume is too low

Does the iPodlounge front page not have any sort of editor that checks whiny nonsense such as this anyway?

Posted by Alex Stapleton on June 16, 2003 at 2:25 PM (CDT)

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