lol i can really sympathise with your position auburnguy....for someone who's generally reasonable and rational (I think), I'm shocking when it comes to iPods and apple girlfriend suggested that as I already own two iPods and am a poor student, perhaps there would be better things to spend my hard earned on....I really don't like the fact that it's only 16GB for now, but just look at very cool....maybe I can hold out until January and hopefully they'll upgrade to 32GB then...optimistic I know.

Posted by Nuke666 on September 6, 2007 at 10:50 PM (PDT) Comment 26

the dock and the headphones port are the same as the 5 generation ipod?

Posted by gonzalo on September 7, 2007 at 2:50 AM (PDT) Comment 27

I was at first not going to get the touch, given that my library is much bigger than 16 GB, but then my library is also bigger than 32 GB, and that doesn't count video and such, so even a 32 GB iPod touch would be too small. In the end there's just too much compelling about the thing that I've decided I'm willing to do some music shuffling back and forth. I put in my pre-order for a 16 GB model. I'd have to shuffle even with a 32 GB touch, so I figured I'd jump in now anyway. A 64 GB touch seems a long way off and by then I might even need more capacity than that since I'm a dedicated emusic subscriber. I don't think we'll ever see a hard drive based iPod touch, so there's no point in waiting for that.

Posted by sjonke on September 7, 2007 at 11:12 AM (PDT) Comment 28

"Truth be told though, I full well expect them to merge the iPod-touch and iPhone and just go back to calling it the iPod again. I see this as a similar situation to the iPod-photo thing. I think future models will have the ability to work as a phone if you want to pick up that feature.
Seriously. The line between iPod and iPhone is starting to get a bit hazy."

I don't think that'll happen until the deal with AT&T ends and people are allowed to choose to put their current cell phone plans on the iPhone. I don't know if that situation could every be realized, but until it does, it's doubtful the two lines will merge.

When the iPhone does expand to enough storage capaciy to suit my needs, I'll probably get one.

Posted by manders4000 on September 8, 2007 at 10:29 AM (PDT) Comment 29

I have a Western Digital World Book HDD at home on my network. It contains all my files (music, photos,video,etc.) and I can access all of them from any computer I choose that has internet access. I am wondering if I would be able to do this with an ipod Touch? This would make its' storage size irrelivent. It would also make this one great product but I wonder if Apple will make it so you can only download files from ITMS and lock out any other way to download files.

Posted by gear on September 8, 2007 at 1:49 PM (PDT) Comment 30

For me, the biggest disappointment with the Touch is no external speaker. The iPhone has one and while the speaker sucked for music, it was great for watching video in bed and not needing headphones. But the Touch appears speakerless. I'm not sure what Apple's aversion to external speakers is, especially on their video units.

Posted by Dale Reeck on September 8, 2007 at 7:33 PM (PDT) Comment 31

I was NOT going to get an iPod touch. I was in the "16 GB is too small" crowd... and then I saw one.

Long story made short: I bought it.

Now, I had an 8 GB nano before this, so to me 16GB is a nice upgrade. I can't complain at all. And once you mess with the interface, the old way seems clunky.

My advice? DO NOT USE AN IPOD TOUCH if you want to maintain your "I won't buy one" stance!!! It's too nice to resist!

Posted by Wilder_K_Wight on September 14, 2007 at 3:09 PM (PDT) Comment 32

*sigh* maybe next year

Posted by Toleran on September 16, 2007 at 5:15 PM (PDT) Comment 33

Can ANYONE think of a reason why they used an inferior screen? I mean...I just don't get it. I really, really don't.

Wilder, I played with one and my only thought was "No way am I spending this much for this little."

Excellent review, BTW. Very nicely done, Jeremy.

Posted by malren on September 16, 2007 at 5:36 PM (PDT) Comment 34

OK, that cuts it. When iLounge gives this thing a limited recommendation, I'm done even considering it. Hope this thing gets better with age, but til then I'll enjoy my tiny little video nano.

Posted by Mystic Tuna on September 16, 2007 at 7:19 PM (PDT) Comment 35

Well, this review just cemented my thoughts on this latest generations release. The only decent product was the nano. Apple has removed themselves from the normal everyday user and will only redeem themselves their products can be used the way normal people use them, not the way Jobs and his minions use them.

Posted by sjhilbel on September 16, 2007 at 7:30 PM (PDT) Comment 36

Well, I've come to regret my purchase. The screen has the well-known "negative black" problem, and it makes some videos unwatchable.

I'm considering whether I want to go with an iPod classic, or wait and get an updated iPod touch.

We shall see.

Posted by Wilder_K_Wight on September 16, 2007 at 7:51 PM (PDT) Comment 37

im a bit confused here, and please corect me if im wrong, how many songs can anyone listen to in a day? also, how many movies or videos can anyone watch in a day? i dont believe "storing" every song and movie you have is the idea with the ipod touch. this is a device that can transport a great deal of media for you to listen to or watch when you would like. its not possible for anyone to listen to 80gb of music in a year let alone a few days or weeks. store your music and movies on your home computer, load any of them you would like to watch or listen to in a given time and off you go. i have a 2gb ipod nano first gen and i have no problem with the amount of songs it can hold at one time. an 8gb touch is more than perfect for me. just a thought.

Posted by mscmkr on September 16, 2007 at 9:03 PM (PDT) Comment 38

I totally understand, Wilder K Wight, poster of comment 32. You said: " My advice? DO NOT USE AN IPOD TOUCH if you want to maintain your "I won't buy one" stance!!! It's too nice to resist!" I agree.

That said, there are legitimate problems, like the lack of a speaker, and the 14.1 GB actual storage space of even the largest Touch currently available.

This is a comprehensive review that supports its B- rating convincingly, but I wonder whether more emphasis should have been put on the interface. To me, the device seems pretty revolutionary merely because of the interface and the thinness. The iPhone is certainly more decked out, but comes with a mandatory $60 a month price tag, and you have to go with AT&T. Plus, could the reviews address what kind of radiation you get from using the iPhone? In ten years, when far more people develop brain cancer because of using cell phones, we'll wonder why iLounge didn't warn us, and recommend the iPod Touch as a safer alternative.

Posted by james000 on September 16, 2007 at 9:40 PM (PDT) Comment 39

Regarding the screen, I believe as do others around the Internet that later model iPhones have the same screen or a very similar one. My iPhone has such a screen -- blacks are inverted. I have a "7" screen.

As I noted elsewhere, a good test video is "Someone to Love" by Fountains of Wayne, which you can watch for free via the YouTube application. Fast forward to the last 30-40 seconds -- you'll know immediately.

Posted by technolawyer3 on September 16, 2007 at 10:15 PM (PDT) Comment 40

Very disappointing reading. I've still ordered one. Hardware-wise, I don't think it will change over the course of the next year except perhaps to gain capacity.

I really hope next year's model addresses these many poor factors.

Posted by Japester on September 16, 2007 at 11:48 PM (PDT) Comment 41

Firstly, i beg pardon for my terrible english.

But iPods werent supposed to play music?
I really cant understand why i should play video on a nano and even on a touch it seem to me uncomfortable respect to my TV...

Then, i agree with the review B rating.
The only thing is, to me, iPod Touch is way more classy and fascinating with its dark aluminium finish than the "please look at me" chrome iPhone.

Posted by roots on September 17, 2007 at 1:19 AM (PDT) Comment 42

People were demanding this device as soon as the iPhone came out. Apple has with its introduction of the new iPods listened to the costumers for once (they were demanding a nano with video, check, a classic iPod with lots of storage, check, and a iPhone without the phone, check). Those empty spaces on the home screen will be used some day, heck it has MAC OS!!! Don't blame apple of finally delivering a choice in iPods, it's the best thing they did in a long while. If people keep on nagging this move, we will never see a mid tower or a ultra small computer from Apple. All revA problems will be sorted out. IPod touch, I give it a B+, it is a first generation product!

Posted by a-maze on September 17, 2007 at 1:31 AM (PDT) Comment 43

Thanks for the review. I've just canceled my order. The screen quality is quite important to me, since I intend to use it primarily as a browser. However, given the narrow scope of view on the screen, it seems as though Apple is shaving costs by using cheaper LCDs and skimping on quality in general. I'll keep my money until something worth buying shows up.

Posted by sam_kang on September 17, 2007 at 2:34 AM (PDT) Comment 44

Whilst iLounge have done a marvellous review here the bias I feel has made them not spend enough time on who this device suits.

Someone who doesn't want to be locked into an expensive phone contract is a key one - very key when one considers the cost of the contract over 2 years.

Someone who doesn't need their whole music library with them - which is everyone who is not a classic owner/wouldbe owner

Someone who wants to touch their music and looks forward to the many updates from Apple to fill in those missing icons. I expect plenty over the next 12 months or so, and only the iPhone and ipod Touch will have them.

Games, well not much for me, but I think they will likely come in time - not something that turns me onto or off an iPod form.

I do hope that the many criticisms of the touch are added to the clamour of voices to see fixes, patches and additions to address screen quality, speed, calender additions etc I am glad iLounge has been so elequent at showing what the touch could have been.

Posted by aswitcher on September 17, 2007 at 2:40 AM (PDT) Comment 45

I don't understand the dissapointment either.

I had an original 20Gb iPod and it annoyed me to have to find all my music through tons of stuff.

Stuff I never listened to.

Also could you consider how this review would fair if the iPhone did not exist?

Juding by the hype, the expectancy and the product innovations I really do feel you have produced a very negative review.

I hope it doens't have any impact on my user expereince when mine arrive.s

Posted by Trunk Guy on September 17, 2007 at 5:19 AM (PDT) Comment 46

I'm keeping my order in for now, but the notes about poorer sound quality and the video/image (poor) quality has me thinking about canceling. I find myself hoping that these issues are defects that might not show up in mine, but with the problems being reported by multiple media sources (and by that I mean that the problems appear in their units, not just a retelling of someone elses experience), my feelings of hope are waning. Especially worrisome to me is the sound quality. I was hoping to get better sound quality than my 5g iPod. What to do....

Posted by sjonke on September 17, 2007 at 5:44 AM (PDT) Comment 47

I would love to see an iPod touch review that doesn't mention the iPhone, or compare the two. Why can't this device be reviewed exclusively on its own merits and flaws? The first page of this review lost me about halfway down because I don't want, or care about, the iPhone. I have a phone I love, I have non-AT&T service I'm very happy with. For me the iPhone doesn't offer the right phone stuff. With that in mind, I came to this review expecting talk about an iPod, not about why it's not an iPhone. At best the iPhone comparison should be a footnote. It certainly shouldn't be a comparison.

Posted by Horatio Positronic on September 17, 2007 at 5:49 AM (PDT) Comment 48

Thanks for the comprehensive review. I've decided to stick with my pre-order as my needs are mostly music and WiFi in that order. I will return it if I get a bad screen, but video wasn't a big driver in my decision.

Posted by Aceon6 on September 17, 2007 at 5:57 AM (PDT) Comment 49

But you know some off market company is gonna come out with larger battery's to replace the ones in it currently and then there's also the possibility of replacing the hard-drive it's complicated but possible.

So i dont know i think i'm gonna get one the day it comes out to the mass-market. Cause i know apple will come out with a larger one later on but i can always sell the first one to some fan boy who collects all the ipods and buy the new updated one or they might just get enough complaints and people will get free or a lowered price upgrade to the larger one. who knows! smile wishfull thinking!

Posted by iTouch iPlayed iBought on September 17, 2007 at 6:12 AM (PDT) Comment 50
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