has anyone even confirmed the microphone is crap yet?

Posted by jiggy on October 24, 2003 at 4:01 PM (PDT) Comment 26

I just wrote a quick review:
It's not bad, really!

Posted by Wired on October 24, 2003 at 5:41 PM (PDT) Comment 27

thanks for that...see, it sounds pretty good, can't wait to get my delivery. please post the results from lecture hall here...

do you have mac or pc ipod, and are you using usb or firewire?

thx again.

Posted by jiggy on October 24, 2003 at 6:43 PM (PDT) Comment 28

I just ordered one yesterday from the Apple Store online and I already got confirmation that it has shipped. Apparently, the backorder info is wrong.

Posted by podjoy on October 25, 2003 at 5:35 PM (PDT) Comment 29

mine shipped yesterday too...they must have just got them in! but we paid too much...i've seen here they are 35$ garne.

Posted by jiggy on October 25, 2003 at 6:16 PM (PDT) Comment 30

I'm using my iPod with a G4 Ti Powerbook, via FireWire.

Posted by Wired on October 25, 2003 at 11:13 PM (PDT) Comment 31

even if it's possible to connect a better mic to the iPod, 8khz mono is still useless

Posted by jp on October 27, 2003 at 2:22 PM (PDT) Comment 32

I got mine on Saturday. At first, I thought it was broken. When I tried to record something, it came out all distorted. Then I tried holding the iPod farther away from my mouth, like an arm's length. It was actually much clearer. Is this the way everyone else's works. Or is mine defective?

Posted by Smivey on October 28, 2003 at 2:40 PM (PDT) Comment 33

Face facts the iPod is a low-end mp3 player sold for much higher prices than it deserves. Expanding the dinky iPod with all these overpriced underperfoming gadgets is about as impressive as Asian thug wannabes adding chrome rims and nitrous to their rice burners. Get a real car!

If you want real recording, get an mp3 player with this stuff built-in! Pretty much every iRiver flash player has it, and many of the disk-based players. Even the new crappy Dell DJ has recording built-in.

Why pay inflated prices for an iPod? Send Apple a message!

Posted by BadSound on October 28, 2003 at 3:26 PM (PDT) Comment 34

You may think that the iPod is just an overhyped device that's overpriced with very little capability, but you would be suprised at how sophisticated it is.

It has two 90 mhz pentium class processors, ample storage, an awesome display that is unparalleled in any digital audio player that I've seen, and adequate amounts of memory, This means that it is really the software that is holding it back, yet, it can be upgraded. There is no other reason why we can't develop applications and run them on the iPod right now. In the near future, it may actually be possible by one of two means: Apple begins to support third party software add-ons for the iPod(the chances of this are looking good), or a third party makes a new OS for the iPod(Linux on iPod is currently the only one worth noting).

And my no means is it a "low end" MP3 player. It has superior sound quality, small size, and is generally aesthetically pleasing to look at and hold. In objective tests (comparing the output waveform to the original one), the iPod has extremely high fidelity in playback, vastly better than most CD players and MP3 players. This means that you could rip a track from a CD without any compression at all (save it as AIFF or WAV), and when you listen to it on the iPod, chances are, it will be of even better quality than what your CD player could produce.

Posted by Sraphim on October 28, 2003 at 6:11 PM (PDT) Comment 35

dear bad sound, if you dis da chomes on my maruti one more time, i'm gunna take my rice burner and charbroil ya hide, ya hear me? have some respect.

Posted by jiggy on October 28, 2003 at 8:08 PM (PDT) Comment 36


"an awesome display that is unparalleled in any digital audio player that I've seen"

I guess you haven't noticed that several players in the sub-iPod range offer color LCDs, and in the same price range I can name two off-hand that feature almost 4" of color LCD goodness, easily enough to watch movies, analyze photos, or take pictures.

Archos AV320

RCA Lyra

And I saw several reviews of the new DellDJ saying that while its UI lacks the simplicity of the iPod's, its backlit screen is a thing of beauty and exceeds the iPod's clarity.

"It has superior sound quality"

Why do I see no figures for S/N or THD on Apple's site? I've blind auditioned the iPod alongside the Zen and the new iRiver HD player using the same range of MP3s and the iPod scored. Slightly inferior to the iRiver, definitely inferior to the Zen.

Finally, if I want *real* sound output with low noise gain I use a player with an analog line out, not a headphone jack. And if I want pristine output, I use an optical or coax digital line out to bypass the inherently noisy small-form DACs. The iPod offers neither bypass option. This is simply not acceptable in something that pretends to be "high end". Even the old Archos offered coax, the new iRiver offers optical.

I am willing to believe you about sound if you can show me some figures. All I see on Apple's site if mummery and marketing fluff.

Posted by HiQ on October 28, 2003 at 8:37 PM (PDT) Comment 37

Sraphim, you raise many points and i have to assume valid points, as i know nothing of these things. i just listen to a lot of music and when i plug my ipod into my relatively speaking high-end home system thru the headphone jack is sounds just as good as playing a cd, albiet i can notice a difference. but to me the results from both sound great, and not enough for me to even begin to comment on. i know nothing of optical connections and dats and whatnot, but my ears are probally shot anyway from rock concerts and bars and traffic noise here. so for me, i did not mind paying so much for the ipod, cause i look at the CAPACITY of the thing and the ability to use it as an emergency hard drive if i have too...

Posted by jiggy on October 28, 2003 at 9:49 PM (PDT) Comment 38

Whatever features other MP3 players have you can't touch the iPod for the untouchable - QUDOS.

Keep your second rate machines..

Posted by PROvider on October 30, 2003 at 12:23 AM (PDT) Comment 39

> you can't touch the iPod for the untouchable - QUDOS.

What is this "QUDOS" whereof you speak? Can I get that in an 80GB version?

Posted by Kudos on October 30, 2003 at 7:25 AM (PDT) Comment 40

Went up to a canyon nearby my city (Salt Lake City) today, first real snow fall of the year. Found hundreds of birds feasting on berries in the snow, the sound was amazing. Luckily I captured it on my iPod, perfect.

Posted by enfused on October 30, 2003 at 6:40 PM (PDT) Comment 41

wait, you captured the snow falling or the birds eating? or both? how much snow and how big were the birds? were they eating wild berries or strawberries? please provide detailed specifications and exact dimensions on your out-of-house experience....

Posted by jiggy on October 30, 2003 at 8:33 PM (PDT) Comment 42

well, everyday is an out of house experience, i captured the birds talking to each other while eating wild berries.

Posted by enfused on October 31, 2003 at 10:11 AM (PDT) Comment 43

I have the recorder and until there is a software update allowing for an input gain change or automatic limiter, this thing is kind of a piece of junk.

Normal speaking voice at 6 inches produces an incredible amount of very nasty distortion. And there's no level meter so you are on your own guessing whether you are speaking at the correct volume or not!

Any digital recorder needs these features as digital distortion is much much uglier than analog tape distortion!

Hopefully Apple will fix this in firmware 2.2

Posted by dude on November 3, 2003 at 6:57 PM (PDT) Comment 44

uh oh bad news. this is the first time i've read about this problem and my unit arrives from america in about 2 weeks...maybe by then there will be a firmware update,,,are you currently using 2.1? assume so....

Posted by jiggy on November 3, 2003 at 7:39 PM (PDT) Comment 45

That would be a nice feature, I like to use my recorder to get samples and dub it up. Some stuff from the field turns out to be trash and unusable when brought back to the studio. There should be a level meter while recording, then when you push the center button you have the ability to set the input volume.

Posted by enfused on November 3, 2003 at 7:46 PM (PDT) Comment 46

Yeah, that's what I'm saying- very easy to use the scroll wheel to adjust level, but also an auto-level feature would be nice with a brickwall limiter, you know? It wouldn't sound good all the time, but at least it would be better than those crappy digital spikes!

And yes, jiggy, I'm using 2.1... that's the only firmware that works with the recorder.
Don't be sorry you bought it, it still is a cool addition to your iPod!

Posted by dude on November 4, 2003 at 12:03 AM (PDT) Comment 47

Yeah, it's definately cool, what would be nice is an auto and manual limiter, and maybe a three band EQ, and a new mic input with an XLR. That would be sweet!

Posted by enfused on November 4, 2003 at 11:26 AM (PDT) Comment 48

Just got my recorder. It records pretty well and the speaker can be used to listen to music as well if you dont want your headphones in your ear. It is smaller than i had expected. So far so good.

Posted by OLLIE on November 11, 2003 at 8:20 PM (PDT) Comment 49

The voice memo is only that,even a moderately loud or close sound results in appalling distortion.Until an input level control is available this recorder is only useful for voice memos,forget abut live music or even speaking into it in an environment with ambient noise.They call it "voice memo" for a reason.

Posted by octavio on November 17, 2003 at 4:10 PM (PDT) Comment 50
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