EU5C, um name sounds a lot like E5C from Shure. ARe they better than E5Cs i wonder ?

Posted by splodge on October 31, 2003 at 7:03 AM (PDT) Comment 1

This would be great to have done at the genius bar in an apple store. You walk in get your custom earphone for you new iPod. I don't know if I would pay $500 bucks though.

Posted by pixelsampler on October 31, 2003 at 9:32 AM (PDT) Comment 2

Are they white?

Posted by KenC on October 31, 2003 at 4:00 PM (PDT) Comment 3

What other inear/canal phones or headphones did you compare them with? How do they compare with the Etymotics ER4S?

Posted by Cans on October 31, 2003 at 11:59 PM (PDT) Comment 4

Or the ER4P's for that matter that are supposed to give more low end - and I think they are $200 cheaper!
Reviews I have read for these phones suggest that they are the puppies privates, its hard to imagine the EU5C's could be $200 better!

Posted by nobby on November 1, 2003 at 8:25 AM (PDT) Comment 5

well... i own the etymotic er-6s (er-4's little brother, ~100 used) and even they are incredibly detailed. seperation like you cannot believe. ive heard that the higher level etys offer even more instrument seperation. as a general rule in headphones - the higher you go in price, the less the sound quality changes. i doubt these are much better than the er-4s. also, the er-4s are more accurate than the er-4p. the er-4p is the with version designed to be used with a portable because of their lower impedance. they have more bass directly out of the ipod because they are easier to drive. amped, the er-4s will provide much tighter and more accurate bass.

Posted by ben on November 1, 2003 at 7:39 PM (PDT) Comment 6

Hi everyone,

I just want to answer a few of your questions regarding the UE5c

1. Yes they are available in white,clear, fleshtone and neon colors.

2. The UE5c earpiece is a dual driver 2 way design when compared to the ER4p the UE5c has much more headroom in the bass region and has a very accurate mid and hi response.The major difference is the ER4p has a single driver reproducing the entire frequency response which results in saturation or distortion in the low frequencies much before the UE5c.The UE5c has 1 driver for lows and 1 for the highs and a passive crossover in each earpiece. They are two completely different animals.

3. As far as the comparison between the Shure E5c and the Ultimate Ears UE5c. Ultimate Ears developed the 1st 2 way professional personal monitor in 1995.This precedes the Shure E5c by 2 years. The Shure E5c has the low and high driver terminating into one sound bore which results in compression in the frequencies above 5k. The UE5c has separate sound bores for both the low and the high drivers which results in a much wider frequency response.

4. Ultimate Ears are only available custom fit

Jerry Harvey
Ultimate Ears

Posted by jerry on November 2, 2003 at 3:06 PM (PDT) Comment 7

No way I'm buying that high price earphone. the price does not justify the technology its just a good quality earphone enclosed in a ruberized molded earpiece. I rather buy a home theatre system and put both speaker near my ear.

Posted by Owee on November 2, 2003 at 8:56 PM (PDT) Comment 8

"... single driver reproducing the entire frequency response which results in saturation or distortion in the low frequencies much before the UE5c."

Really? I've owned some high end Grado headphones as well as ER4P/S and ER4 has very accurate, undistorted sound all the way to the lowest bass note. I cannot imagine anybody complaining about bass distortion with ER4 unless you're monitoring on a very loud stage, etc.

Posted by Juan on November 4, 2003 at 11:04 AM (PDT) Comment 9

How can i get UE5C in the UK please ?

Posted by gumbo on November 4, 2003 at 11:10 AM (PDT) Comment 10

With such a high price item there should be a no questions asked life time replacement guarantee. With its frequent use I don't think these will last that long.

I recently bought ER6's and even though they cost 400 less I am still worried about their longetivity. It is ususally the wires that give out.

Posted by Shr1n1 on November 5, 2003 at 9:05 AM (PDT) Comment 11

There is a Shure dealer on eBay that is selling the Shure E5's for $368. Technically the same as the E5c's but without the inline volume control that the E5c's have. In communication with a Shure Tech rep, he stated that the E5's were a bargain at that price and again, technically just as good as the E5c's. I have purchased these and I can tell you, if you are serious about your music, these are as good as it gets!



Posted by Mike on November 6, 2003 at 8:08 AM (PDT) Comment 12

I have a pair of the ER4S. One point that should be made is that the only difference between the S and the P is the chord. The part at the top of the chord that plugs into the headphone is where the difference is. The driver and everything else is identical.

As for what this guy is saying about the ER4's single driver causing saturation and distortion -- pfffffbt. I have never had these things distort. I'd probably end up blowing my eardrums out before they distort. Within all safe listening levels, and even some beyond what is healthy, the ER4s are crisp, fast, and clean as a whistle throughout the entire audible range.

Here's the scoop. If you like more bass with your punch, then you'll probably prefer the Shure sound. If you like your bass to be very accurately rendered, and in its place with the rest of the sound, then the Etymotics are going to be your best bet. There have been hiss complaints with the Shures, probably mostly due to the higher sensitivity. This would probably only be a factor between the ER4S, as both the 4P and ER6 cans are more sensitive, too. I do know that the ER4S does not hiss at all if you have it plugged into strong components. Any hiss is coming from the CD itself.

Comfort is a moot point. Etymotic offers the same service of getting your ear's fitted custom.

Posted by Ioa on November 6, 2003 at 4:07 PM (PDT) Comment 13

I wear earphones 4 hours a day with my iPod. Bending over they fall out of my right ear, so a custom fit would be welcome.

Also have a pair of Etymotic ER4Ps that are too uncomfortable to wear and produce harsher responses than the stock iPod earphones.

Since you pay for quality sound and have already popped for 500 on the 40GB iPod, why not have the best end product.

If Ultimate Ears offered lifetime replacement for damaged units, on a free of charge basis AND the ability to listen to these puppies BEFORE purchasing, they'd have a handsdown winner.

Posted by Pete Saybolt on November 7, 2003 at 7:13 AM (PDT) Comment 14

What is the hardness of the molds? I own musician's earplugs by Westone, are these a similiar hardness? Also, do you offer a soft material in the molds (and in what colors?)

It looks like the cord is replaceable, is this true and how much does it cost?

Posted by Matt on November 8, 2003 at 12:07 PM (PDT) Comment 15


Posted by ㅋㅋㅋ on November 11, 2003 at 1:38 AM (PDT) Comment 16

Ultimate Ears has ABSOLUTELY NO contact info on their website.

How do you get in touch with them?

Posted by mashamax on November 11, 2003 at 5:50 AM (PDT) Comment 17

You go to their website and get their 800 number.

Posted by pete saybolt on November 11, 2003 at 6:24 AM (PDT) Comment 18

On the main page of their website, bottom right hand corner it says:

.(JavaScript must be enabled to view this email address)

Posted by spoonbender on November 11, 2003 at 7:21 AM (PDT) Comment 19

Well I just spoke with Mindy Harvey of Ultimate Ears and must say I am excited. As for the guy above complaining about contact info you must not have tried very hard. Click the “Enter” button on the page instead of the link at the bottom. The bottom link seems to go to an old site design. Instead go here The site has a lot of good testimonials from pro sound engineers located under the “Engineers” button > Interviews…

My contact experience with UE was very good and in fact after my second email they offered to call me and answer questions in detail. From a customer service (confidence) standpoint they scored big with me. Send them an email or give them a call and see for yourself. Very friendly folks over there at UE.

I currently own the Etymotic ER4P. I previously had the 4S but upgraded to the P model as all of my usage involved portable devices. I have had my Ety’s for a combined 7 years and love them! All the same the appeal of a double or triple driver earphone is very strong.

Here are the relevant snippets from my emails and phone call to UE.

“Ultimate Ears isolation would be comparable to a triple flange tip @ -26db as long as the triple flange was sealing perfectly.

The UE-5C does not have quite as much output as the UE-5 Pro. It is also only available in hard material. You do have your choice of clear, white or black. The cable is detachable and replaceable and you have your choice of clear, beige, brown or black cable in either 46" or 64" lengths.

All of our pro models work extremely well with the iPod. Our clients have been using them for this application for quite some time as well as for their live performances.”

Posted by Noel on November 11, 2003 at 3:02 PM (PDT) Comment 20

PART II (because Lounge's forums dont like big posts...)

During my phone conversation it was explained to me the C model does in fact use a harder material for the earpiece. I was assured that this did not affect comfort in anyway and that it was done for durability reasons. All Pro models UE sells feature a softer material.

The 5C model does have less output then the 5P model. Pro’s need more output to overcome ambient stage sounds (backing musicians, crowd roar) more then your average consumer. Though the 5C models output is still well suited for usage with an iPod.

UE offers a few models above & beyond the UE-5C. Those being the UE-5P (mentioned above), UE-7P and UE-10. The 7 and 10 models actually offer a triple driver design versus the double driver the 5’s have. The 7’s triple driver design was originally designed with drummers in mind who required more bass.

Other information
* Nearly all components are replaceable except in situations of extreme damage. Average repair charges seemed quite reasonable, replacement cables and even drivers being made available.
* UE also keeps your molds so that new one’s can be made if that is ever necessary.
* Your ear canal can change overtime (gaining or loosing alot of weight) BUT the average person would probably not encounter a need for remolding over time.
*UE allows for all sort of custom color combinations on their Pro models. You can even mail them a color sample and they will do their best to match it. Only draw back to custom colors being that if replacement is needed on only one ear piece it maybe difficult to perfectly match your ‘old’ color with the new one.

The UE’s are obviously a high-end product and the price reflects that. The UE5C seems like a great idea from a company that has been putting out pro level stuff for many years now. While the cost is high one must remember that they will not be replacing these earphones anytime soon if ever. People scoff at the cost of my Ety’s but when I remind them how MANY hours a week I use them and how long I have had them it puts it into perspective.

Posted by Noel on November 11, 2003 at 3:05 PM (PDT) Comment 21

"As for the guy above complaining about contact info you must not have tried very hard."

Oh, I tried hard. But I thought ENTER was the entry to Stevie's site, which I didn't want to go to. So it makes me stupid for not clicking on it.

But the good thing is that Ultimate Ears is two miles from me so I'm in the nabes.

Posted by mashamax on November 11, 2003 at 4:39 PM (PDT) Comment 22

It would be cool if these earphones had lifetime warranties to match their price and quality.
Or if they sold them at Best Buy I could get the extended warranty and have them "break" before it was over :D (j/k)

Posted by Lyman Tsang on November 21, 2003 at 1:39 AM (PDT) Comment 23

I recently purchased a pair of Shure ES2's. While not the same sound quality compared to ES5 or UE5C, they do offer a relatively good sound and value for <$90. Proper ear seal is a MUST with these though. Try the foam pads if the silicon pads don't work....the payoff will bring the low end into balance and isolation to ambient noise(yes even during a 737 landing).

Posted by Rick on December 2, 2003 at 10:25 PM (PDT) Comment 24

Lone voice for Sony's in-ear rubber earphones? I think they are great for the price.

Posted by Easy on December 12, 2003 at 1:44 AM (PDT) Comment 25
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