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Hm, as you should have the manual present, is it possible to feed several AE stations with the same feed at the same time? Is one able to use the iTunes rendezvous feature, as in using a second computer to stream music from the main computer (holding the music) and then maybe to another base?

The idea is to have a main music serving Mac and notebooks around the house used as terminals to direct different music streams to different stereo setups, or being able to play the same music all through the house, but controlled from a single Mac.

Edit by Jeremy Horwitz, March 2005: iPodlounge has deleted a collection of negative and derogatory comments from "audiogeek" on our site, which we discovered have been posted by a writer for competing publications. As he has trolled and posted obnoxious comments in a number of threads, picking fights with our readers and editors, he has been banned from the site, and we strongly oppose his repeated mischaracterizations of various products and our editorial opinions. This comments thread was affected by his posts, and has therefore been modestly edited. If any of the other comments below do not make sense in the context of these deletions, we apologize.

Posted by Oliver :) on July 16, 2004 at 12:11 AM (PDT) Comment 1

also, is it possible to use the ethernet port as a wireless bridge? i.e. could i use it to connect my xbox to my wireless network?

anyone know what it is like with encrypted (wep) networks?

if so, having airtunes with my stereo and xbox live in one unit would be awesome.

Posted by timmy on July 16, 2004 at 1:49 AM (PDT) Comment 2

> is it possible to feed several AE stations with the same feed at the same time?

this would be great but, no you can't... yet. (please apple, please)

>is it possible to use the ethernet port as a wireless bridge?

yes. all apple extreme/expresses bridge

> anyone know what it is like with encrypted (wep) networks?

works fine, but if you are all 802.11g or all Apple, go WPA instead.


Posted by dann on July 16, 2004 at 3:52 AM (PDT) Comment 3

hm... i think i read somewhere that the express only bridges if your main router is an apple airport base station. is this true? i figured it's all the same signal.

about the xbox, i think that'd be great considering everything in my house is wired and i believe the xbox needs to be hard wired. cant imagine the data speeds being quite up to par though.

Posted by stasis424 on July 16, 2004 at 4:29 AM (PDT) Comment 4

Can a WIRED system on my existing network (I already have an airport, so this will basically be addition to that extending range etc.) see the AE? In other words, can I stream to it from my G4 desktop, or do I have to use an airport card to talk to it (G4, wired to local area network, wireless through existing Airpot, to AE to speakers)?

Posted by Randy Hanson on July 16, 2004 at 4:33 AM (PDT) Comment 5

Any idea, how to use the surround sound output of the AE? Seems useless to me if the Quicktime Player or the VideoLan Client can not stream to the AE.

Posted by netwalker on July 16, 2004 at 4:41 AM (PDT) Comment 6

How does the AE experience compare to simply connecting an iPod directly to a stereo using the line out on its base?

Posted by John Voorhees on July 16, 2004 at 4:45 AM (PDT) Comment 7

any suggestions on how to stream music to multiple location simultaneously. i have my ibook connected to my main stereo through the headphone jack and would like to hear the same music in my living room and dining room.

Posted by brunorr on July 16, 2004 at 5:12 AM (PDT) Comment 8

Would AirTunes allow me to do the following?

I have a laptop that I can stream shared music from my main computer. Could I play music I am sharing onto my laptop via airtunes. In other words, can I sit in the living room with my wireless laptop and control what songs are played wirelessly across airtunes when all of the songs are actually on my main computer in the other room?

Posted by BigIzz on July 16, 2004 at 5:28 AM (PDT) Comment 9

I've got it working on a window's PC without problems.

However, the biggest missing feature is the lack of a remote for Window's PCs that can change songs, playlists, etc. in iTunes. When you're piping music into another room, it's extremeley inconvenient to have to run back to your computer to do something like skip a song.

Anyone have a good solution?

Posted by Jim on July 16, 2004 at 5:33 AM (PDT) Comment 10

to answer "bigizz's" question yes you can. heres how. set your main computer to share music on the network. use your laptop to play the music. (sharing) then tell it to play to your airport express. thats how i would do it. if you are using a mac i dont know how to do that . but if you want go to this website http://www.whatsmyip.org/itunesremote/ and see if this helps.

Posted by dhruvb11 on July 16, 2004 at 5:47 AM (PDT) Comment 11

What kind of speakers are those that appear in the last picture with the powerbook and iPod?

Posted by Kyle on July 16, 2004 at 6:01 AM (PDT) Comment 12

Yes, I'm also interested in the WEP setup. How do you setup the AirPort if you have WEP going? Do you have to disable it first in order to connect to the AirPort, then setup WEP on the AirPort first, then have your router go back to WEP? Or can you connect the AirPort directly to an ethernet card and set it up that way?

I'm thinking this may be my next home audio purchase if this thing really works as expected... Wow, no need for a CD player anymore!

Posted by Jason on July 16, 2004 at 6:02 AM (PDT) Comment 13

Hey!
I have achance to purchase those glass speakers-are they any good compared to other similarly priced speakers?

Posted by Bob on July 16, 2004 at 6:04 AM (PDT) Comment 14

Jim.

What about the ATI remote control? I've got one around here somewhere, and I think you can program some of the buttons if I'm not mistaken. I wonder if it would be possible to program some of the buttons to control iTunes... I'll have to check that out. That would be cool, because the remote is RF and not IR, so you don't have to have a direct line-of-sight to your PC to control it...

Posted by Jason on July 16, 2004 at 6:11 AM (PDT) Comment 15

I don't think I agree with the "high price point compared to similar devices" con that Jeremy cites in the article. Think about the cost breakdown:

Wireless 802.11g base station - $70-80 standalone
Wireless print server - $30 - 40 standalone
Wireless streaming MP3 Server (Shoutcast, etc.) - at least $150 standalone

The Airport Express offers all these features combined in a very small package for a very good price. While some users may just buy the Airport Express for its music capabilities, I believe that the attraction of being able to have easy wireless internet when you can only get a cable is very attractive. Throw in printing and music streaming and Apple is offering an extremely competitive deal.

Posted by Adam on July 16, 2004 at 6:18 AM (PDT) Comment 16

I wonder how Airport Exp. would handle streaming music from a Mac on a PC wireless network... (I.E. Mac is connected to Netgear Wireless router via A.Ext. card)...

Posted by mongoos150 on July 16, 2004 at 6:31 AM (PDT) Comment 17

My Sis has a G5 hooked up with an ethernet cable to a Cable Modem Router that has wireless. Can she control the APE via the ethernet-to-router's wireless connection?

Posted by FunkDaddy on July 16, 2004 at 7:37 AM (PDT) Comment 18

Quick question -- when hooked in with your "older 802.11b" router, did the Airport Express work as a repeater, or just as a wireless music-output client? My understanding was that the repeater functionality only works with Apple products (just like Linksys products can only act as repeaters for other Linksys, etc... as this kind of feature is not described in the 802.11 spec).

I know you can interoperate with multiple brands to make one large network if they're all wired, but it sounds like a multiple base station wireless network (with only one wired base station) only works within brands.

So can the AE work to play music off of a network created by a non-Apple router, without having to switched base stations?

thanks!

Posted by Reid on July 16, 2004 at 7:44 AM (PDT) Comment 19

BTW, no surprised you had difficulties setting it up with XP, but I wouldn't blame this on Apple necessarily. It could be their fault, but I don't know anybody who's had a good experience with XP wireless initial setup. Seems like the thing gets confused all the time as to what networks are available, forgets passwords, the whole nine yards.. and then after a few days finally settles down and works perfectly. But maybe that's just me and everybody else I know.

Posted by Reid on July 16, 2004 at 7:55 AM (PDT) Comment 20

I don't know if the person who wrote this article was aware of what apple has planned on doing. If you vist the apple site, you can view a video of the WWDC (world wide developers converence) and this video explains it in much detail, but the main idea is, there are four main spots for people listening to music. Their computer, there living room or some room, their ipod and their car. Apple has reached all of these four places, and airport express is made to both offer up wireless internet, and music streaming. And, if you want to know how to change what music you want, since there aren't really any remotes, you can just clear you party mix playlist, then just put every song you want, and start it up. I also would like to add that the main direction of the airport express was for laptops, or people who have stereos in diferent rooms.

Posted by M Bargo on July 16, 2004 at 7:58 AM (PDT) Comment 21

I think the key will be a remote control with intelligence. The remote control will go through AirPort Express and IR so it can become your only remote. It will talk to the PC/Mac and can populate the screen with your playlists and you can choose what you want to hear anywhere in the house since it will use 802.11 technology. I think the next step will be iMovie where you store your movies on a hard drive and stream them to your home theater system but you have the same remote control to run it all.

Posted by John on July 16, 2004 at 8:09 AM (PDT) Comment 22

I'm not going to hold my breath, but it WOULD be cool to have an iPod base station that would transmit AirTunes.

Posted by Nagromme on July 16, 2004 at 8:14 AM (PDT) Comment 23

To answer questions posed and unanswered at this point:

Netwalker: Your point's a fair one. The review was long enough as is, so we didn't go into the "when can other programs start to stream to speakers" discussion, but we would expect that Apple is looking at adding software functionality. Though not widely publicized, iTunes does support AC3 (Dolby Digital) and DTS, though the question of where (besides a ripped DVD or a Super Audio CD) one would get a multichannel track for iTunes is open to discussion. See http://docs.info.apple.com/article.html?artnum=93870

John V: Most users (including us) would say "perfectly." Apple encodes all streams to the speakers using lossless compression, which means that any music you hear via AE should not be perceptibly different from the source material. However, we're confident that someone will eventually point out a subtle difference that 0.05% of the population could perceive if they had the right speakers and a lot of time on their hands.

Kyle and Bob: They're Celestion AVF302s, normally dramatically overpriced at $800 a pair. These were purchased new for $299 (a Best Buy closeout) and were a good value at that price, purchased more for looks than performance. They sound quite good but really require a subwoofer for bass augmentation.

Adam: We said "competing but lesser products," not "similar devices." For right now (emphasis on right now), AE is a print-ready wireless base station with a great novelty feature for iTunes fans, but we do not think that it will outsell the often-rebated-to-~$40 802.11G base stations and routers offered by companies from Linksys to D-Link to Netgear. Yes, it is a unique and great product, and we are sure that it will become even greater through future software updates, but whether the average joe needs iTunes-only music-streaming is totally open to debate.

Mongoose: We tried that. We used a D-Link wireless network based on 802.11B and added AE to provide the music streaming part, then tested music streaming from our PowerBook's AirPort Extreme card. It worked, though Apple makes no guarantee that it will do so on all hardware configurations.

Posted by Jeremy Horwitz on July 16, 2004 at 8:15 AM (PDT) Comment 24

Yes please tell us about those glass speakers!

Posted by Mark on July 16, 2004 at 8:51 AM (PDT) Comment 25
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