My AE should arrive today, according to my tracking no. I want to hook it up to a pair of Bose outdoor speakers for my patio. Can anyone recommend an inexpensive power amp or receiver with digital optical inputs that will be used *exclusively* to simply drive these speakers? (Meaning I don't want to spend a lot for features I won't be using.)

Posted by Paddy on July 17, 2004 at 5:14 AM (PDT) Comment 41

wellthis whole thoing looks good but im from the uk so i have too questions as every one do how much is it in pounds and when will it be in london ? cuase id like one and by the way does it work with i pod mini ?

Posted by dirty-devil on July 17, 2004 at 6:01 AM (PDT) Comment 42

I have a G4 Mac connected to the network via ethernet, but no airport or wireless card installed. I do have a wireless network running in my home (Proxim), do I need to add a wireless card to the Mac for this to work, or can it stream via wired ethernet to the AE if I have the AE connected via Ethernet to the network? Or is the ethernet port on the AE only to plug into a cable/dsl modem?

Posted by Hass on July 17, 2004 at 7:22 AM (PDT) Comment 43

Here are a few observations I haev seen using my AirPort Express:

1. There is no way to configure AE from Ehternet Port (I think this is a mistake). Mac or PC must have WIFI connection to configure.

2. I have a 3rd Party Access Point and understood that I could not use AE as repeater, but I still wanted to try client mode. There are multiple issues with this scenario.
- Setup is horribly difficult (After a day, I still can't get AE to find my existing router which is two feet away, I tried with router SSID hidden, visible, and with and without encryption) AE assistant requries you to pick network from dropdown, so you are out of luck if it does not find anything (no manual option). Also, switching between existing WIFI network and Airport network to configure is exhausting.
- Audio and USB ports work in Client Mode, but Network port is disabled (no bridging). this needs to be changed if possible. See support article for details -

- Only one stream seems to be supported. I don't see any way to stream iTunes to more than one AE (ex: Stream to all rooms in the house).

- Range of AE is not great.

- I may be missing something, but I have not seen how to set AE to switch from Mixed/B/G network, to disable SSID broadcasting, or to tune AE range by restricting bandwidth.

- I do like that AE supports WEP and WPA encryption

- AE streaming sound quality and volume control using iTunes was good (no noticable difference from direct audio link to iPOD in my intial tests)

- I liked that sound would drop vs sacrificing sound quality.

Overall, I still like the idea of the AE, but it has some rough edges (local use of Ethernet port and general configuration improvements are my biggest gripes).

Posted by Jody on July 17, 2004 at 7:30 AM (PDT) Comment 44

Brad posted a question of great interest to me. Since no one answered, I'll repeat it:

Is 802.11b (i.e, the plain-vanilla AirPort card) enough to handle the bandwidth of Apple Lossless?

I would love to use the Aiport Express, but my G4 only accepts the first generation cards (which, btw, Apple no longer lists at their online store).

Posted by Rich on July 17, 2004 at 7:33 AM (PDT) Comment 45

Sorry, I missed the AE Admin Util. Forget comments about tuning parameters.

Posted by Jody on July 17, 2004 at 8:44 AM (PDT) Comment 46

Like steveb said earlier:

"My stereo and DSL connections are rooms apart"

Can the airport express still operate (as in do the assigned printing and music streaming jobs) without a DSL or cable modem attatched to its ethernet port?


Posted by Greg on July 17, 2004 at 1:40 PM (PDT) Comment 47


Re: "...AE is a print-ready wireless base station with a great novelty feature for iTunes fans..."

You have the primary and secondary features of this product inverted. It's plainly obvious from the features and marketing of this device that it's primary purpose is to provide a wireless conduit to stream music from iTunes to a stereo. That it acts as a print-ready wireless base station is the frosting, not the cake. Apple didn't set out to make a small 822.11 hub and then added the music streaming as a "novelty" feature.

Here's the proper product description: "A wireless iTunes streaming music receiver with wireless hub and print server features".

In that light, the product should be compared primarily with other streaming music receivers rather than cheap wireless hubs.

Posted by calstraycat on July 17, 2004 at 9:56 PM (PDT) Comment 48

Fedex dropped the toy by on Friday. At work this week, so haven't had a chance to completely explore/troubleshoot. Belkin G router, XP notebook/desktop. Got it hooked up, but it wouldn't play nice with wep, had to resort to MAC whitelisting. Haven't got the extension thing to work, but realize its unsupported. Sounds great, can use the lappy in living room as a big remote, all songs on the desktop anyhow. Next step, get a prog that lets me use a bluetooth phone as a handheld remote.

Posted by DEK on July 17, 2004 at 10:49 PM (PDT) Comment 49

Paddy, the UK Apple Store are charging 99.01 pounds (yes, that's 1 pence... makes all the difference).

Here in Switzerland it is 199.00 CHF, which is under 90 pounds... Apple stuff and ciggies are cheaper here. That's just over 160 USD.

Posted by Stephen on July 18, 2004 at 3:12 AM (PDT) Comment 50

If you have a Mac and Bluetooth-enabled Clie, check this thread for a remote control of Airport Express:

Posted by sliberman on July 18, 2004 at 5:36 AM (PDT) Comment 51

I too wanted to know this also, and yes, you can stream music and have wireless internet with an original airport card. This shows you all the technifications to the airport express.

Posted by M Bargo on July 18, 2004 at 6:08 AM (PDT) Comment 52

I am not comfortable with wireless, and thus after a weekend of trying, I cannot get the AE to recognize the PC. When going to "assistant", an error message pops up saying, "An error occured when trying to access the wireless networking sub system"
Using XP. Any suggestions ??

Posted by Davd on July 18, 2004 at 6:49 AM (PDT) Comment 53

The best remote for this would be a bluetooth mobile phone with Romeo. Music information on the phone would be incredible but now romeo just lets you change tracks, volume and I think that´s it. I really think that´s all you would need.

Posted by Agustin on July 18, 2004 at 6:52 AM (PDT) Comment 54

I think the Remote problem could easily be solved using a VNC client on a wireless palm or pocketpc device.

Posted by Eon on July 18, 2004 at 8:22 AM (PDT) Comment 55

I'm disappointed in this first version of Airtunes, though hugely excited when i first heard about it. I have all music on a dedicated G4TiBook physically plugged into my B&O hifi. What I expected to be able to do was to replace the cable with wifi and add multiple sets of speakers to flood the house with music.

This means being able to simultaneously stream music to multiple Airport Express devices. But seems like this isn't an option which I find really really annoying. Don't understand why.

Other on-line discussion groups have floundered with various technical reasons, none of which really adds up IMHO.

So I'll spend my 128 quid on more iTunes music and revisit Airtunes some other time.

Shame really.

Posted by Neil Fairbrother on July 18, 2004 at 8:26 AM (PDT) Comment 56

Running XP on PC. When beginning "assistant", error message "an error occurred when trying to access the wireless networking sub system" appeared. Following that, set up was impossible. Any suggestions ??

Posted by windog on July 18, 2004 at 9:11 AM (PDT) Comment 57

calstraycat, do you really think apple set out to make a device to stream itunes music to a stereo and then thought up the other parts later?

apple's own website: "wireless internet, printing, and itunes music streaming". not "itunes music streaming and some other stuff."

apple is a great company but even they could not convince people to buy a device that just did itunes streaming and nothing more. the ae has a stereo port, usb port and modem port for a reason, itunes itself would not cut it for anyone except people with crazy big music collections on their computers.

Posted by beefbox on July 18, 2004 at 4:51 PM (PDT) Comment 58

To respond to podo's comment, I'm one of those people who spends more time in a hotel room than I do at home. If you had any idea how many hotels have their desks right next to the air conditioner vents, you'd appreciate being able to easily set up a wireless connection. It's either the Express or carry around a 25 foot network cable, and the Express weighs less.

So it's wireless during the week and music streaming at home on the weekends. My Express arrived on Thursday and it's pretty slick.

Posted by zanshin on July 18, 2004 at 5:13 PM (PDT) Comment 59

Hell yea... I am going to use this at the hotels... I will carry it in my bag just like my power adapter. I haven't seen too much in the way of people using this as a small internet router, but it could be twice the price and I would still think it's a good deal. There is no 'G' AP with a small form factor and no external power adapter. The closest thing I have seen was the APC 802.11b AP but even it has a external power adapter. BRAVO APPLE!

Posted by Jack on July 18, 2004 at 6:33 PM (PDT) Comment 60

I'll be getting AE (when it arrives in Europe) for two reasons:

(1) As a mobile wireless basestation. This will be great in hotels, and also when I go to visit my parents, and parents-in-law, as I'll be able to use their DSL connections on my powerbook, wirelessly. Which will make holidays a whole lot more bearable... wink

(2) To extend my WLAN at home.

To be honest, the AirTunes side of things isn't such a big deal, as I can just plug in my powerbook or my iPod to my stereo.

Someone asked about solutions to allow remote control of a PC in another room to your speakers. If you have a bluetooth phone and your PC is bluetooth enabled then just use your phone as a remote. I do this all the time, it's great (try Salling Clicker if you're using a Mac).

Posted by mintcake on July 19, 2004 at 2:51 AM (PDT) Comment 61

I purchased my Airport Express as an accesssory to my classic clamshell iBook (revision B series, RAM hotrodded to 320MB, running Panther 10.3.4).
All I had to do was plug it in, jack in the RJ45 from my LinkSys router, and fire up the iBook - it detected the network, asked if I wanted to connect, and that was it - no software needed, no fuss, no muss - in fact, I'm on it as I post this.
Definitely a hearty well done and thumbs up for this one. grin

Posted by Maddoktor2 on July 20, 2004 at 10:45 AM (PDT) Comment 62

Well, Since no one answered my question I guess I'll answer my own. It was:

"I have the same question as nick.. I want to be able to pump music from my wired G4 desktop, through the wired network to an older Apple 802.11b grey airport, out of the old airport wirelessly and over to the new airport express connected to a stereo. Possible, or do I have to replace my grey airport with a new, white airport 802.11g airport?"

The answer, though it took me a long time to get there, is yes it works with the old airport! I have my new airport express plugged into the stereo (I'm not using the printer function or ethernet to DSL or cable modem from the AE) and I can play music from my wired-only G4 desktop to the AE via an antique grey airport that is connected to my wired LAN in bridged mode. I had to use a function available in the Airport Utility called "allow airtunes over ethernet" and I told the AE to connect to an existing wireless network. It seems to work great. I can't extend my old grey airport network but I can connect the AE to it like any other client.

To Hass who had a similar question other than the fact that you're using a proxim network instead of a legacy airport, you have the same setup that I do. Assuming your AE will talk to your Proxim I guess it should work too.

Posted by Ken on July 20, 2004 at 4:29 PM (PDT) Comment 63

Answer to “Davd” and “windog”

"An error occurred when trying to access the wireless networking sub system" -

You probably don't have the latest version of the Wireless Zero Configuration service from Microsoft. Check out this link

to make sure you have the latest critical updates and XP updates check your system here:

Posted by Danny on July 21, 2004 at 9:03 AM (PDT) Comment 64

Addition to the Danny message:

Another possible reason is a XP SP2 RC2 or later installed on your computers. The Windows version of the Assistant does not support unreleased Service Packs.

Posted by Andrei on July 21, 2004 at 9:25 AM (PDT) Comment 65
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