Well my opinion is that everyone agrees to disagree. The new 4th G is different from the 3rd Generation. If you like it that is fine, if you don't that is also fine. However people saying that it is only a MP3 player are wrong though. One of the main reasons most people bought Ipods was because of the design. If people don't like the design then that is a major complaint. The outward appreance is not really that big of a difference though and the 3rd G also had shuffle too.They probably should not have said that this was the 4th generation and say that it was an upgrade. I personally own a 3rd Generation and like the design more than the 4th G because the touch wheel feels more techno-savy compared to a click wheel. The click wheel is probably more usable though. One of the reasons they probably didn't put a color screen in there probably was because the color would drain the batteries faster(correct me if I'm wrong) and everybody knows that Ipod have battery issues. I am going to say what the 5th G is going to look like though. Also the people who say that the guys who have the 3 G are complaining because they don't have the latest Ipod are justangry because people are complaining. Everyone has opinions on the new design so try to listen to them.

Posted by Jarmel on October 3, 2004 at 6:28 PM (PDT) Comment 201

i'll be getting my first iPod next week. i'm so excited! i've been wanting to have one for 3 years but never had the need for it -- it's more of a luxury than a need. but now, my hard drive's full so i'll use the ipod both as a player and as a hard drive for my music files. thanks for the informative and enlightening reviews and comments smile

Posted by princessfiona on October 6, 2004 at 2:01 AM (PDT) Comment 202

I've got both a 3G and 4G 40G. I'm lucky not to have had the noise interference widely reported with the 4G and for anyone thinking about whether the increased battery life is worth the money - the answer is yes - I rarely get more than 4-5 hours out of my 3G although it was bought brand new, has 38G of music on it and gets used every day. Fans of the new grey circle click wheel in 4G will tire of it compared with the 3G but the software, lighting and battery life more than compensate. For me the best thing they could do with 5G is put more data on the screen - if you listen to a lot of classical music you may want more than just track / album data - a smaller font and ten lines of information could do it.

Posted by Bobby on October 10, 2004 at 2:47 AM (PDT) Comment 203

You know. I had a 3G 15GB and replaced it today ... with a 3G 40GB. For all you Mac users out there, you understand why we are so picky. For all you PC users who say that we are picky, grab a Mac and you'll know why. The click wheel is cheep looking, and I can't wait 'till a few months down the line when people start complaining about them breaking down. I mean, the grey click wheel, which is a little sticky BTW, looks like something that Compaq would have come up with. Oh, wait, HP (who owns Compaq) was involved inthis round. Bottom line, the more mechanics, the more likely something is to fall apart. And, the firmware isn't that spectacular. Sorry about the diatribe. I guess I should open my new 40GB with all the included accessories now ...

Posted by Edward on October 20, 2004 at 9:46 PM (PDT) Comment 204

I wish they would upgrade the sound quality. The ipod looks much nicer than the Creative Zen Touch and is smaller, but I'm a stickler for good sound, so I'm a bit stuck as to which to get.

Posted by Chris on October 21, 2004 at 12:33 PM (PDT) Comment 205


Why is it that no one mentions the power output (mW) or sound quality of the ipod?

I'm looking for something to replace my 1rst gen Nomad Jukebox (5mW).Yes, it's lasted this long, best buy I ever made.. The new Iriver, for example boasts something like 15mW or more- that means higher volume, better sound.

And for the record, just the mention of the audio static and non replaceable battery has just turned me off the ipod..

..unles someone can actaually tell me what EXACTLY is the power output of the ipod(4g 40gb) and just how good is the sound quality..and is the equalizer that bad?

Oh and I have the Etymotics ER-4p and s. Does anyone use a portable headphone amp?

I need my music LOUD. I use my players as sources for my Roland V-drums, and this is extremely important to me!


Posted by dave on October 27, 2004 at 1:04 PM (PDT) Comment 206

First off, great review. Secondly I want to mention that I had a 3G 40GB iPod stolen and replaced it with a 4G 40GB, so I feel your pain skaman24. Anyway, I agree with the review in concern with the clickwheel change. It's not as classy or cool as the 3G.
Then again, I agree with Nagromme as well that the 4G is new and different and is just going to take some getting used to. Don't get me wrong, I liked my old 3G better, not to mention I didn't have to spend an extra $400 when I had that one, but I think I'll get used to the 4G's clickwheel... whether it's gray or not... :-

Posted by Scumaci on October 27, 2004 at 5:05 PM (PDT) Comment 207

i am not only interested in purchasing an mp3 player for listening to music and audio books, but also for other functions such as listening to radio and recording and playing back lectures. most importantly, i must record 8 hours of lecture a day for 5 months. does the 4G 20 gig and 40 gig both work for belkin/griffin audio recording products? can anyone help me on this topic? (i wasn't sure due to the quote from the article below).

"iTalk: We used the iTalk with both of our new iPods, and were slightly concerned after our Audio Quality tests when we heard a small bit of audio distortion in the speaker output. But unlike the headphone port distortion of the 40GB iPod we had previously detected, the iTalk exhibited the same issue in our 3G iPod and our 20GB new iPod, and the distortion wasn't audible in the actual recorded tracks when we played them back on a computer. It wasn't a major problem, and appeared unrelated to our 40GB's more serious audio issues. We also noticed that on our 40GB unit, the iPod initially wouldn't display time and date stamps for the recorded tracks, but that appeared to be only a temporary issue - unplugging and re-plugging the iTalk fixed it. This issue wasn't a problem on our 20GB iPod."

Posted by duckmeow on November 19, 2004 at 8:13 PM (PDT) Comment 208

In three days I'm getting my first ipod. A 3g 40 gig open box discount from bose. I'm really happy it isn't a 4g for the simple fact that I am able to break anything with moving parts. The sole reason I wanted an Ipod was that it didn't move at all. My question is only if the 'longer battery life' battery can be used in the 3g, possibly pushing it to ten hours or so giving two hrs away for 'better software'. Or has the ipod changed so greatly that the suppossed software/external features required a total internal change making this new better battery have completely different connections?

Posted by ninjarouge on November 30, 2004 at 9:23 AM (PDT) Comment 209

i got a 4G 20 gig ipod a couple of weeks ago and exchanged it for another 4G 20G ipod a couple of weeks later due to an imprperly working battery--it seemed to last about half as long as 12 hours advertised. My newest seems to have same issue. Is it me, or has anyone else found that the battery life is not quite up to the advertised length?

Posted by pablog on December 2, 2004 at 2:56 PM (PDT) Comment 210

All these people complaining about the "cool factor" the "cool factor" are just missing the point. The 4G iPod is still the coolest digital music player out there hands down. And it just seems like function should win out over fashion but I guess in today's world the lines are blurred. I got my 20Gig 4G ipod for Christmas and I love it. Does what it was designed to do-give me access to my entire music collection and do so in the most intuitive way possible. Maybe it's a youth thing where the iPod was a status symbol before like a luxury car. Something to be flaunted. Like saying "look what I have." Now with the popularity as high as it has become, more people have iPods and they have finally become the music player they were designed to be, and not so much the runway model.

Posted by keyarts on January 6, 2005 at 10:36 AM (PDT) Comment 211

I've been thinking of getting an ipod and I'm actually considering a 3G. To those who have a 4G, is it really that much of an improvement? For some reason, while I like the look of the 4G, the look of the 3G seems to be a bit better.

What do you guys think?

Posted by Seto Kaiba on January 12, 2005 at 8:46 PM (PDT) Comment 212

Have the audio problems (which were significant but were dismissed in the review as as minor because it's assumed that they would be fixed) actually been fixed as of January 2005?

Posted by Izzy33 on January 17, 2005 at 10:58 AM (PDT) Comment 213

I just ordered a 4G 20GB ipod over the weekend. I am very excited and i have heard great things about ipods. I really don't care that the click wheel is gray, that doesn't affect my music. also, the box...doesn't matter. all i want is a great music player, which is an ipod. I know that no matter what you say, i will be happy with my ipod because i am not very picky.

i hope its as good as people say they are....

Posted by Rossola on January 24, 2005 at 3:45 PM (PDT) Comment 214

I have a 3g, shuffle and mini. I dont need this one but it looks great! Only thing is the click wheel should have been white

Posted by robertll on February 13, 2005 at 3:01 PM (PDT) Comment 215

Hi Jeremy,

Im actually a New User, not a Power User, but I thought your review was really great.

I love the iPod, but have a few gripes. Some first impressions on the iPod (4G 20GB):

i. Why the heck does it scratch so easily? Had just left it on the desktop and have several lilttle scratches. Very irritating.

ii. Applied headphones sound great but i) bass is very low and ii) they really hurt the ears!!!! Love the way they look but it really takes away from the listening pleasure. Plus its irritating when Ive just shelled out 299 US$ (INR 13.4k) to have to spend another 20-30 US$ on buying headphones.

Right now battery life isnt all that great (about 6-8 hours) but Im not worried since Ive just had it for 3 days and Im expecting it to go up once the battery gets broken in.

finally, my Dad has the 3G 20GB. While I love the 4G (including the clickwheel), I do think that the iPod looked better with a white wheel, and the red backlighting on the buttons was, well, just cool.

But overall I love the little gizmo!

Posted by BombayRd on February 28, 2005 at 9:16 PM (PDT) Comment 216

I had a problem recently with the clickwheel. It stopped working and after resetting the firmware i was jumping around erraticly when the click wheel was used. Has anyone encountered this problem?

Anyway i took it to apple service center and they replaced it with a new set (great service), probably beacuse my iPod was still in good condition.

Posted by Vinod on March 2, 2005 at 6:03 PM (PDT) Comment 217

I am sorry...i meant to say the menu was jumping around erratically when the click wheel was used.

Posted by Vinod on March 2, 2005 at 6:05 PM (PDT) Comment 218

5Gs are way better than this

Posted by jitaroo on November 23, 2005 at 1:43 PM (PDT) Comment 219
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