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Well, I've owned my G4 for about 2 days and I can say that I love it. I previously owned a 1G and 2G, happy with those, but really thought that scroll wheel alone was always best. In the end, it is about the music -- itunes has created ipod fanatics -- the more they sell the better the next generation of ipods will be.

Posted by Ted Delisi on July 27, 2004 at 6:50 PM (PDT) Comment 61

You guys who complain about people who complain too much are also complainers. (As am I, apparently!)

Mort

Posted by Mortimer on July 27, 2004 at 7:09 PM (PDT) Comment 62

I was hoping the shuffle option would shuffle the contents of the current selections, or just turn on/off shuffle. Instead, it completely changes your music selection to "random of anything on the drive." I'm really disappointed with mine. I miss my Gen3 :(

Posted by CcntMnky on July 27, 2004 at 7:33 PM (PDT) Comment 63

"And I think most of the people whining about the grey click wheel probably haven't seen one in person. And they probably have a 3G iPod. And they're probably looking for something to criticize so they don't feel bad about not having the latest model.

By MT on Jul 27, 04 9:21 am"

Exactly. I was telling my best friend about the new 4G iPods coming out at the beginning of last week, and he asked me what was different about it over the iPod he has (3G). I listed the upgrades to him and he said "well, I don't consider that an upgrade...it's just as iPod."

He probably genuinely doesn't care that my iPod is newer than his, but with him, you never know...when I decided to buy an Alienware Area-51m laptop earlier this year, he decided to as well. Then, when I got my system configured with a 3ghZ P4 Processor, he had his configured with a 3.4ghZ P4.

Posted by nusilver on July 27, 2004 at 7:56 PM (PDT) Comment 64

The Bad: Click Wheel works a bit better than it looks,

<== do you mean looks a bit better than it works? cause i cant see anything bad in that it works better than it looks... i think it looks good!!

Posted by Thomas on July 27, 2004 at 8:40 PM (PDT) Comment 65

4G, or Not 4G : That is the Question.

Posted by David Lee on July 27, 2004 at 8:41 PM (PDT) Comment 66

I just bought a 4G 40 gig to replace my old Archos 20gig. I couldn't be happier with the design. I love that I control everything with one hand so easily. I have used a 3G and much prefer the click wheel.
As far as asthetics...I bought this to play music. Personally, I like the grey wheel....bur I cannot imagine why someone would choose a 3G over the 4G just because they don't like the grey wheel!

Posted by Hans on July 27, 2004 at 8:59 PM (PDT) Comment 67

Top article gents. Keep em coming.

Although I'd love the extended battery life of a 4G, in 15 years time, it'll be the 3G that will be remembered as the classic piece of design.

Until such time as I stump up for a 4G, this is what I will continue to tell myself....

Posted by Scotsdave on July 28, 2004 at 12:11 AM (PDT) Comment 68

Any idea when iTunes is going to include a VBR AAC encoder? The CBR encoder is great, yet it wastes space on certain songs, and doesn't provide high enough bitrates on others.

Posted by ShowsOn on July 28, 2004 at 2:37 AM (PDT) Comment 69

I'm happy with my 3G at the moment. But i will probably definitely upgrade when the 5G comes out.

Reason being i do like the 4G alot, but not enough to spend the cash :p 5G will probably do it for me though.

Posted by Chibimiffy on July 28, 2004 at 3:04 AM (PDT) Comment 70

Whilst I too was bemused by the critique of the box that the 4g ipod comes in, I have to say I disagree with those who feel it was a shade over the top. I appreciate that at the end of the day it's the machine itself that we're all looking to salivate over, however I think those that criticize are missing the point.

Sure, if one was just looking at a standard piece of kit from Sony (or indeed Creative) then we'd be looking at a different argument but in the case of Apple, whether one likes it or not they have a degree of kudos and their customers are expecting a little more than the norm. Yep, it's a box! But let's not forget that someone is employed to make and design that box and as with everything that Apple does we expect them to get it right. The art of paper engineering (and it is an art) goes back centuries, certainly to the Japanese and who knows maybe more, I'm no historian. And, as most people who buy into the apple philosophy would agree, aesthetics are all (well, maybe not all, but you get my drift).

I guess it's not an argument that everyone will agree with but as someone who works within the visual arts I appreciate when a company makes an effort in the packaging department. Of course that still means it'll end up in the dustbin/garbage can (I'm english) alongside the tetrapak cartons and polystyrene trays dripping with fish oil and cling film strangulating itself, but hey, for a moment its not just another consumer toy; it carries an aura of high culture which lifts it above the ugly and mundane of much contemporary electronic goods. I guess what is being observed within the review is that as Apple becomes more of a mainstream business we are beginning to observe a move away from this 'personal touch' under the demands of economics.

Alas 'tis the way of all things creative.

Posted by tony on July 28, 2004 at 3:28 AM (PDT) Comment 71

Whilst I too was bemused by the critique of the box that the 4g ipod comes in, I have to say I disagree with those who feel it was a shade over the top. I appreciate that at the end of the day it's the machine itself that we're all looking to salivate over, however I think those that criticize are missing the point.

Sure, if one was just looking at a standard piece of kit from Sony (or indeed Creative) then we'd be looking at a different argument but in the case of Apple, whether one likes it or not they have a degree of kudos and their customers are expecting a little more than the norm. Yep, it's a box! But let's not forget that someone is employed to make and design that box and as with everything that Apple does we expect them to get it right. The art of paper engineering (and it is an art) goes back centuries, certainly to the Japanese and who knows maybe more, I'm no historian. And, as most people who buy into the apple philosophy would agree, aesthetics are all (well, maybe not all, but you get my drift).

I guess it's not an argument that everyone will agree with but as someone who works within the visual arts I appreciate when a company makes an effort in the packaging department. Of course that still means it'll end up in the dustbin/garbage can (I'm english) alongside the tetrapak cartons and polystyrene trays dripping with fish oil and cling film strangulating itself, but hey, for a moment its not just another consumer toy; it carries an aura of high culture which lifts it above the ugly and mundane of much contemporary electronic goods. I guess what is being observed within the review is that as Apple becomes more of a mainstream business we are beginning to observe a move away from this 'personal touch' under the demands of economics.

Alas 'tis the way of all things creative.

Posted by tony maas on July 28, 2004 at 3:31 AM (PDT) Comment 72

Opps, sorry.

Posted by tony maas on July 28, 2004 at 3:32 AM (PDT) Comment 73

Jeremy,
Did you also test and compare MP3 playback quality on the new ipods? Personally, I have encountered some really nasty and unacceptable playback artifacts on my 3G ipod (flutter), that did not occur on cheap CD-MP3 players, neither on the iMac. This effect has been posted on ipod lounge and elsewhere. Its existence has been confirmed, by users and even by Apple as far as I know. It's definitely a bug in the MP3 decoder of the iPod.
Could you check this out? I am willing to provide you with a couple of small AIF, AAC and MP3 files that clearly display the problem I'm referring to.


Hans Erik

Posted by Hans Erik on July 28, 2004 at 4:27 AM (PDT) Comment 74

Good review and nice web-site,

i'm DJ and i want to be able to record my mix one day on the XG...just like SuperMAtt i don't interested on the CRAPPY 8KHz...only 44KHz for a good music quality.
If somebody know about a accessoire or a hidden news!!!
I like to use my MIDIdisk..but i want one day the beautiful IPOD...
anyway IPOD is the walkmann Killer...THX Apple

Posted by francesco mauritz on July 28, 2004 at 5:06 AM (PDT) Comment 75

I have tried the new click wheel in an Apple store, and it is great because it isnt indented anymore.

It is hard to get to indented buttons on my 3g, especially because i have a case which makes it harder!!

Posted by me on July 28, 2004 at 5:08 AM (PDT) Comment 76

I'm on my way to replace my 3g 40g with another 3g 40g before best buy brings in the new ipods. I just don't like the blue-ish screen and the click wheel does nothing for me. Good review tho made me think about the upgrade more realistically.

Posted by toothpaste on July 28, 2004 at 5:24 AM (PDT) Comment 77

I think I'm 50/50 on this. I get the point on the grey Vs. white wheel issue but the single circle is classic.

If you can't see that your blinded by 3G loyalty.

This is the future kids, let your tastes mature and learn to love it!

Posted by 4G Champion on July 28, 2004 at 6:31 AM (PDT) Comment 78

You still can't beat the 3G iPod!

Posted by 7 on July 28, 2004 at 6:39 AM (PDT) Comment 79

I have a First Generation now, Do you think i should get the new 4G? My battery lasts maybe 1-2hrs, and i dont think its worth it to replace the battery. Let me know what you think

Posted by 30Block on July 28, 2004 at 8:37 AM (PDT) Comment 80

im not really feelin the new iPod, i was thinking about getting it but im goin 2 kepe ma 3g iPod instead. i think they shud have made the click wheel (which i am luvin by the way) white instead of that horrible grey, and make it recessed and light up da buttons. the color change in da screen isnt dat bad, but i do like the old 1, so they shud hav sticked 2 dat or made it colour. i dont tink i will b changin ma iPod until da next generation is released, hopefully wit a colour screen. even better - get rid of da buttons and just hav a touch screen!

Posted by reiss on July 28, 2004 at 9:17 AM (PDT) Comment 81

The 4g ipods way better tha the 4g ones. u ppl are only critisizing it cos it makes u feel better that u ahve a worse ipod! u guys r pathetic

Posted by Obi wan on July 28, 2004 at 9:58 AM (PDT) Comment 82

Well, i for one like it. I'm not sure about the comments stating that the packaging makes the iPod an "everyman device". I think that sounds a bit elitist. I think Apple is on the right track. They will never please everyone. One improvement...bigger, color screen.

Posted by Chris on July 28, 2004 at 10:26 AM (PDT) Comment 83

Jeremy,
Did you also test and compare MP3 playback quality on the new ipods? Personally, I have encountered some really nasty and unacceptable playback artifacts on my 3G ipod (flutter), that did not occur on cheap CD-MP3 players, neither on the iMac. This effect has been posted on ipod lounge and elsewhere. Its existence has been confirmed, by users and even by Apple as far as I know. It's definitely a bug in the MP3 decoder of the iPod.

Could you check this out? I am willing to provide you with a couple of small AIF, AAC and MP3 files that clearly display the problem I'm referring to.

Hans Erik

Posted by digidivi on July 28, 2004 at 10:34 AM (PDT) Comment 84

Nice review.

I have an original 5 gig iPod (scroll wheel) and held from buying a 3G iPod because I didn't like the four-button placement. Now that they're back around (well, on ) the wheel, I have ordered an updgrade.

Personally I would prefer the white backlight rather than blue, but as I don't use the backlight that much it probably won;t be an issue for me in real life.

Have a nice day!

Posted by Séan on July 28, 2004 at 10:57 AM (PDT) Comment 85
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