The new colors are much better; I hate pastels.

Posted by Galley on February 24, 2005 at 10:14 PM (PDT) Comment 1

Good reivew.

No regrets about my 1G mini purchase a few months ago, but wonder if I can have the best of both worlds.

Wonder if I can get Apple to put one of the new 18-hour mini batteries in my Silver Nemesis under the battery replacement scheme...

Posted by gadgetboy1 on February 24, 2005 at 10:19 PM (PDT) Comment 2

The changes are for the better, though it doesn't make my wife (with her less than 8 hr. charge Mini) very happy. Still, aside from desire for a colored player, the price for the small form factor makes little sense to me, especially given that I'm running out of room on my 40GB 4G, and having a tough time figuring out what songs not to carry as a result.

You can see it that Apple has upped the stakes with the new Mini, all the rest of the compact HD DAP makers will be scrambling to get out their retaliatory 7 and 8GB players.

The mini hard drive manufacturers have got to be loving this.

Posted by flatline response on February 24, 2005 at 10:34 PM (PDT) Comment 3

i think apple must be joking... i mean, they dont include a firewire cable? that is so anti-mac, and furthermore no ac adapter? apple better be kidding with this.

Posted by Smorzander on February 24, 2005 at 11:09 PM (PDT) Comment 4

What about 1st Generation add-ons, like iTrip and other gadgets - will they work with the 2nd Generation minis??


Posted by MSS on February 24, 2005 at 11:24 PM (PDT) Comment 5

to the above post: yes they will.

y know what i was just thinking... i didnt see any black fuzzies w/ the headphones... did apple cut them off too?

Posted by Smorzander on February 25, 2005 at 12:16 AM (PDT) Comment 6

I've bought a gold iPod mini 1st gen last Sunday.

Before you'd start to think what a colossal mistake I just made, there was no blip on the iPod rumours radar on that day. I'm sure I won't have any regrets about it.

Look at this way, a year or two down the road, when I'm through with my gold, Apple will probably have 20GB iPod mini photo on sale.

Posted by Augustus Thoo on February 25, 2005 at 1:19 AM (PDT) Comment 7

Augustus Thoo, I'd look after that baby if I were you, it may well become a retro collectors item. One of my close friends LOVES the gold mini.

I don't regret my mini either, I found my full sized iPod too big for the gym and despite a range of armband solutions it would always jam up a mile or so into a run. My mini has never done this. I think the shuffle a bit simplistic for my requirements and this represents a great middle ground.

Posted by ChrisMouse on February 25, 2005 at 3:36 AM (PDT) Comment 8


A blip?

I think that counts as a blip. ^_~

Posted by SilentDeath911 on February 25, 2005 at 4:35 AM (PDT) Comment 9

Jeremy: Do you know if the new 18 hr batteries can be retrofitted to the original mini?

Posted by BriPod2 on February 25, 2005 at 7:09 AM (PDT) Comment 10


Posted by Squeedle on February 25, 2005 at 10:12 AM (PDT) Comment 11

I think Apple deserves some praise for reducing the packaging for the minis. While it is cheaper for Apple, the changes nearly halve the volume of trash that iPod mini customers have to throw away, and nearly doubles the number of iPod minis that can be transported in the same space. I am always for reduced packaging, even at the expense of warm fuzzies. While the out-of-box experience lasts a few minutes, the gas burned is gone forever, and the trash lasts. . . well, a really long time.

Posted by Squeedle on February 25, 2005 at 10:15 AM (PDT) Comment 12

BriPod2, The new battery is not compatible with the old minis.

Posted by dukka on February 25, 2005 at 10:18 AM (PDT) Comment 13

As to the battery, 2 things:

1. I wonder if this indicates that very long play life is in store for larger iPods later this year? I wouldn't mind a 20GB iPod with an 18 hour playtime.

2. For owners of 1G minis, I doubt that changing the battery will just "give you" 18 hours of playtime. I would wager that Apple changed the hardware and firmware in order to accomplish this feat, and so a replacement battery would not do the trick.

Posted by BradPDX on February 25, 2005 at 10:24 AM (PDT) Comment 14

Augustus posted:

"I've bought a gold iPod mini 1s*** gen last Sunday.

Before you'd start to think what a colossal mistake I just made, there was no blip on the iPod rumours radar on that day. I'm sure I won't have any regrets about it."

Augustus - We too bought a 4 GB mini last week (2/14/05 from an Apple store). After the announcement of the new models this Wednesday my wife brought it back to the Apple store where they swapped it out for the new 6 GB charge, even exchange.

You may want to check with the vendor you purchased from to see if this is an option...

Posted by snazzle on February 25, 2005 at 10:30 AM (PDT) Comment 15

no firewire cable and no power adapter. so it isn't really $50 cheaper.

on the positive side. I like that blue as shown here in iPodLounge's photo. It didn't look so good on the Apple website.

Posted by Nipith on February 25, 2005 at 10:35 AM (PDT) Comment 16

Talking about FM radio and a speaker phone thing: I really don't want that CRAP on my iPod. I never used any of it on my discman.

I think that the lack of power adapter on this 2G mini is really a bad idea. I use my power adapter on my 1G mini more often than I use the cable attached to my computer. In my book, the iPod mini just went down a few notches. It is stupid to sell an iPod without a power adapter. I've seen cell phones sold without one also, and I will never buy one without a power adapter.

I never, ever want to see crap like an FM tuner or a speakerhone on an iPod. To me it just takes up way too much space on a device I bought to download alreaded owned music on.

Posted by STUMPY2 on February 25, 2005 at 10:57 AM (PDT) Comment 17

The official word from Apple is that the second gen Mini battery isn't compatable with the first gen, but this is coming from a company that seems to think your computer needs to go everywhere with you in order to charge the mini; hence the extra cost for a charger which truly shocks me that it's an optional item.

So, all it'll take is a resourceful person out there to buy a second Gen battery, open up their first Gen Mini and give it a shot.

Just because Apple says it wont' work doesn't mean that's it. Corporations want money. Corporations will tell you anything to keep them getting your money. Whether the battery is or isn't the only reason for the impressive battery life on the second Gen mini, the fact is the second Generation should, in theory, at least double the battery life of the first Generation mini.

Posted by LTM on February 25, 2005 at 11:00 AM (PDT) Comment 18

USB charging is s-l-o-w compared to mains->DC.

None, of course, has the iPod's controls or access to iTunes, but they have their advantages.

That's not entirely true. You can get iTunes plugins to mount a motley assortment of non-iPod players within iTunes for synching. Apple probably regards these plugins dimly.

Posted by Demosthenes on February 25, 2005 at 11:31 AM (PDT) Comment 19

Apple also says the new mini won't work OR charge using USB 1. I bought one Wednesday and although slower than on USB 2, it works just fine--and charges too.

Posted by MOSOXFAN on February 25, 2005 at 11:55 AM (PDT) Comment 20

CORRECTION--Mine works because I have a USB2 powered hub plugged into my USB 1 port.

Posted by MOSOXFAN on February 25, 2005 at 12:05 PM (PDT) Comment 21

well it doesn't matter... Apple is going to sell the crap out of these little things. Why? 'cause "iPod" is attatched to it. But yes, its' a low blow to rid of the FW cable and power brick. But Apple also knows that everybody accessorizes the h-e-l-l out of these things, so they KNOW your going to come back and get those little things you miss about them. I have 2 (mini and 40GB) ipods and 3 docks now... I'm living proof!

Posted by apple juice on February 25, 2005 at 12:47 PM (PDT) Comment 22

BTW, I also suspect that they reduced the packaging size to fit more per shippment to each retail outlet, and perhaps the waste reduction factor as well, but how many ipod owners ACTUALLY throw out the boxes... I don't know about you, but I still have both of mine... And worse yet, I keep them in good condition!

Posted by apple juice on February 25, 2005 at 12:50 PM (PDT) Comment 23

I don't mind them dropping the power adapter so much as I mind the pretending that apple dropped the price. Look at it this way, if you need it, you go buy it. If not, you saved yourself the $29 you previously were forced to pay, not to mention the extra for the firewire cable. Apple is just working to make the included accessories the most universal so it can drop prices and also (hopefully) stop waste. By only including the most necessary, thousands (maybe millions) of people won't get a power adapter they won't use. That's called conservation.

Posted by purplestallion on February 25, 2005 at 12:59 PM (PDT) Comment 24

My friends just got minis, and boy they are ticked at Apple, they could return them but they want to keep the firewire cable and power adapter. I was looking at the things included in the box and no firewire cable, or power adapter. I use both those things all the time. I wanted a photo but it was too much, now after buying my 4G, I could of waited a little while longer and gotten a photo. I wouldn't of needed to get a firewire adapter, or cable, because I have a 3G iPod.

Posted by evilsquirrel on February 25, 2005 at 1:25 PM (PDT) Comment 25
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