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Has anybody tried this with a genuine USB 2.0 camera like a Canon 20D and can tell me what the speed is like?

Posted by togo on April 4, 2005 at 6:17 AM (PDT) Comment 41

Charlie: Thanks for your comment - "I think you should perform more tests with high speed memory cards, a selection of USB 2.0 card readers and USB 2.0 cameras.

How can you conclude that this thing has slow transfer speeds when you haven't really tested it properly?"

Seriously, how can you conclude that we "haven't really tested it properly" without making some assumptions (incorrect ones, as it turns out) about our testing methodology?

We could get into the nitty gritty of every single component we've used. We could choke our average reader to death with the details. Or we could just provide the details we felt were relevant to most of our readers.

We tested using a variety of different memory cards, ranging from unrated to 8x to 80X Pro speeds. And as noted in the review, we tested with three different cameras, ranging in spec from the very new prosumer Coolpix 8800 to the older, lower-end Powershot and the higher-end DSLR 10D - a wider swath of cameras than anyone else has tested for review with the Camera Connector.

And both of the media readers we tested were USB 2.0 readers. (Incidentally, neither was externally powered, and the IOGear one worked.) Apple's own site doesn't even show compatible media readers as of this posting.

We aim for comprehensiveness and accuracy, but that said, no reviewer in their right mind would sit down with 80 different cameras and 30 different media card readers to write the review. If your expectations of a product review are truly of that nature, my advice would be for you to skip the Camera Connector, because there is no way in the world it could possibly satisfy whatever expectations you may have for that.

Posted by Jeremy Horwitz on April 4, 2005 at 8:00 AM (PDT) Comment 42

Jeremy,
I disagree with your assessment of reviewing technique. The "choking" you're talking about could be taken care of with a simple chart showing the camera/reader details on one axis and memory card info on the other axis with speed and memory drain for the iPod where they cross. People could quickly interpret the results or disregard the chart all together.
I now have the camera connector, and using a PNY USB 1 card reader, I obtained faster speeds than you're listing using an Extreme Sandisk 512 MB card. I can empty the card in 30 minutes while using a little over half of the iPods battery.
Every review has been sorely lacking in detail. Apple has been criticized, and rightly so, for their lack of thoroughness in their compatibiltiy list. They must have conducted tests, so they should show all the tests and a "Yes" or "No" to show whether the device was compatible or not. That or they should have a complete list of everything that IS compatible. In this case, people like me may have to go to a forum to supply the detail that people are looking for.

Posted by howyroark on April 4, 2005 at 8:26 AM (PDT) Comment 43

Howyroak,

Thanks for the info. And I agree w/ you about the "choking" thing as well.

Hmmm... Then there's some hope for me if an unpowered USB 1.0 card reader can do that. It certainly borders the threshold of useability for me, but at least that sounds ok enough for the occasional times on vacation.

Parb,

I wouldn't go so far as to say pro photogs won't want to use a music playing PSD for storing their work.

There are plenty of working photogs who seem to be using some sort of PSDs anyway, so it's not so far fetched to want one that also plays music. And not every pro photog will have the same preferences and requirements either. But to suggest that one shouldn't want something that should be easily doable is a bit of backwards thinking, no?

For instance, Epson's P2000 might hold some appeal to some working photogs as it allows viewing of the embedded JPEG in RAW files and offers an awesome LCD display for this. And there's also the GigaVu Pro device (running Linux underneath) that even displays RAW files w/ its own RAW converter, not just showing embedded JPEGs, w/ histogram, etc. And yes, despite the fact that they are infinitely better photo storage/display devices than the iPod Photo, they also play MP3's *and* MPEG4 video, etc.

Now, I'm not saying the iPod Photo should have to be just as good as those alternatives to be useful to most photogs, but come on, Apple should at least give us modest transfer speeds that should be very doable.

IMHO, it actually seems quite probable that Apple is intentionally placing a serious limit on transfer speeds to help minimize piracy. It certainly does not seem to have much to do w/ any true technical limitations.

Posted by LightOfTheWorld on April 4, 2005 at 9:48 AM (PDT) Comment 44

WELL FINNALLY U DONT NEED UR DAMN COMPUTER TO UPLOAD PICTURES TO UR IPOD PHOTO

Posted by EQUINOX341095 on April 4, 2005 at 10:49 AM (PDT) Comment 45

Light,
I have 2GB worth of memory for my 10D. 4X256MB and 2X512MB. I have entertained the notion of buying a 1GB card, but having that many pictures on one card makes me uncomfortable. That means if I were to use 1GB in one day, I could offload 512MB when I get back to the hotel, charge the iPod up while I'm having dinner or drinks, and empty the other 512MB before bed. I probably wouldn't do a Gig a day, but it's nice to know I can. The iPod would stay hidden in the hotel room (preferably in a locked suitcase) where it would be relatively safe...safer than me out and about with an expensive camera full of precious memories.

Posted by howyroark on April 4, 2005 at 3:07 PM (PDT) Comment 46

Howyroark: Feel free to put a chart together with all the test scores you gather from forum postings and we'll be glad to add it to the review. Just make sure that your numbers are accurate. We're not looking to spend the rest of our lives working on this review, but we're glad to help you get more information out there.

Posted by Jeremy Horwitz on April 4, 2005 at 4:36 PM (PDT) Comment 47

Just a thought, has anyone tryed connecting two ipods up? to see if it'll rip the data of the other.

Posted by Jpod-Josh on April 4, 2005 at 8:51 PM (PDT) Comment 48

Jeremy,
Okay, why don't you be the first contributor (or second, if you count me). I'll use an Extreme card, Ultra, and Ultra II because that's all I've got.
Josh, they've already said that won't work. And why in the heck would you want to do that even if you could?

Posted by howyroark on April 5, 2005 at 4:06 AM (PDT) Comment 49

howyroark

Well if someone has somthing on there ipod you want, like music or video files or whatever.

Posted by Jpod-Josh on April 5, 2005 at 4:35 AM (PDT) Comment 50

I've been calling my local apple store EVERYDAY since the release of the CC to find out when it would be "in store." Last week, I was told "this week". This week I'm told "no idea when..."

So, I finally just ordered one from apple.com - "7-10 days to ship"? DAMN! what gives? Come on apple!!!

Posted by delikid on April 5, 2005 at 5:59 AM (PDT) Comment 51

Does this mean I can still view the photos on a slideshow? I could care less about the 'transitions' if I could go from camera, to iPod, to TV!

Jeremy Horwitz wrote: "This means that you can't bring your photos directly in from your camera and connect up to your TV for a presentation: they're only available for iPod viewing, without transition effects."

Posted by delikid on April 5, 2005 at 6:09 AM (PDT) Comment 52

o.k what happens when you hook up your ipod to your computer after you have downloaded your photos to your ipod from your camera? does your ipod transfer the photo's to iphoto or are the photo's deleted cause they are not in iphoto? I was under the impression that the ipod photo synched with your computer automatically when connected and deleted ar added images and songs that were ON YOUR COMPUTER...am I wrong?

Posted by vangrl on April 5, 2005 at 8:00 AM (PDT) Comment 53

I am thankful that Apple, although they charge for the adapter, has it available. It is a start and the additional usage of the iPod Photo is a plus.

Posted by FahrenheiPod 451 on April 5, 2005 at 5:27 PM (PDT) Comment 54

Has anyone got a list of what usb readers do work, as Apple doesn't yet have a list. Or maybe a part number of the one that you guys used that worked?

Posted by Hamner on April 5, 2005 at 9:13 PM (PDT) Comment 55

For owners of the latest Photo IPods don't forget to update your software to version 1.1 first otherwise you IPod won't recognize the camera connector!

Posted by VANBCMAN on April 6, 2005 at 5:39 AM (PDT) Comment 56

Just got my camera connector in the post today from apple uk. Only 2 days, not bad. At present I only hire digital cameras so I went to local Jessops, in this Hedge End branch. We worked are way through card readers and found the Belkin usb-2 media reader worked. Model F5U240. This one is for compact flash 1 and 2 and microdrive but they do models for other cards. Now here is the suprise. A normal jessops own brand normal speed flash card took between 1-2 seconds to download a 3.1mb jpeg! Hope this info helps people.

Posted by ipodstu on April 6, 2005 at 9:12 AM (PDT) Comment 57

I just got my connector yesterday. So far, I am very pleased with it. I have not had a chance to do any extensive testing. I have a Pentax S4i so each image at full resolution is around 4 mb. I tranferred over 10 pictures and two 30 second video clips from my camera and it took about 3 minutes. I would guess it will take about 20 minutes to copy a 256 mb card. I think this will be handy for vacations to free up my memory card.

Because the connector is fairly wide, I think most cases have to be taken off before transferring photos.

Posted by JohnnyRoaster on April 6, 2005 at 11:07 AM (PDT) Comment 58

Has anybody had succses with the camera connector using a usb media card reader?

Posted by Eli Stoughton on April 6, 2005 at 8:51 PM (PDT) Comment 59

Has anyone had succes using the camera connector with a usb media card reader?

Posted by Eli Stoughton on April 6, 2005 at 8:52 PM (PDT) Comment 60

Apple is definately draggin ### on their shipping for this device. I placed an order on 04/05/2005 07:47 AM PST... and got "est. ship on or before 04/19/2005".

Geez... this is rediculous...!!!

Posted by delikid on April 9, 2005 at 6:18 AM (PDT) Comment 61

Jeremy, thank you for the review. I have been trying to determine if the photo connector will work with the 40gb model and the 1.1 firmware update. I have a question that does not seem to have been addressed. Is it possible to shoot and store the image directly to the 40gb Photo Ipod. I have a Canon 10D that I use professionally and for that extra insurance I often shoot directly to my laptop, storing images both on it and on the compact flash card. That also gives me the option of checking the image for focus and lighting details. For those times that is inconvenient, is it possible to do that with the photo ipod? Second question; Is the photo ipod's resolution clear enough to determine focus and image details?

Thanks, Wayne

Posted by tenx100s on April 9, 2005 at 6:26 PM (PDT) Comment 62

I realize this is an IPOD site and there is a mild prejudice towards things Apple but after reading this entire review and comments I thought I would venture to suggest a product for those digital photographers who would like to travel w/o the computer but still be able to preview photos. SmartDisk makes the FlashTrax, a hard drive photo device with a 3.5 inch color screen. Like the Ipod it will connect to a TV but it has the advantage of NOT requiring a sync with the computer first. It also will download a CF card directly through its multireader port even if the device was turned off when the card is inserted. It also has a built in mp3 player that produces pretty decent sound. It is larger than an Ipod but much smaller than even the 12" G-4 that my son has. The screen folds down protecting it from some forms of unintended abuse. I have only had mine for less than a week so can not attest to all its strengths or weaknesses as all of these devices have. The build quality is acceptable although it does NOT have the artistic look of Apple products. You can find out more at: http://www.smartdisk.com/ if you are so inclined and http://www.bhphotovideo.com is a reputable place to obtain one.
I continue to be interested in the Ipod primarily for its small size and the hope it will allow shooting and saving directly to the device from the camera.

Posted by tenx100s on April 10, 2005 at 4:02 PM (PDT) Comment 63

Wayne,

You might want to try posting in dpreview.com's Storage & Media forum instead, if you don't get definitive answers for your question here.

I read that you can shoot while photos are being transfered, but I seriously doubt you can shoot and save to both in-camera CF card and the iPod Photo simultaneuosly. And given how slow the transfer speed is for the 10D, even if you can do what you ask, it probably wouldn't be quite that useful anyway.

Also, the iPod Photo's screen resolution is pretty pathetic, so don't expect to use it for any kind of focus/detail review -- it's far lower res than your 10D's own LCD, and doesn't allow zooming as far as I can tell.

I'm aware of the FlashTrax (and also Nikon Coolwalker among others), but like you say, they're a bit bulky. Since you're considering such devices, have you checked out the Epson P2000? It's got a great 3.8" screen that beats them all, if that's important to you, and also supports Canon RAW files although it won't let you zoom them. If you're just shooting JPEGs, then you can zoom for reviewing focus/details, but I doubt that you can shoot directly into the P2000 though. Try asking in dpreview.com to see.

Posted by LightOfTheWorld on April 12, 2005 at 12:00 AM (PDT) Comment 64

I hate to post and repost to a web site but I felt that I should update others on my recent experience with the aboce mentioned Smart Disk FlashTrax. The left (9 o'clock) portion of the rocker button would not "click" when pressed. I realize that is a small matter as long as it actuates the command but reliable function is a big deal especially when the device is for redundancy of storage of event photography. I became very uncomfortable over a switch that is easily quality checked. If that switch can be shipped then what about the internal components that are not so easily checked. Mind you, I was a manufacturing engineer in the not so distance past and even small defects have cost and consequences. Which explains why Toyota and Honda are so passionate about quality?

Anyways, checked dpreview.com site and had a difficult time finding much positive about the FlashTrax. WHile I think it may still be great for a casual shooter I need confidence building reliability. I called B&H Photo Video and asked to return it to them. They were awesome! I have never had a return but they once again demonstrated to me why I shop their site first.

I am still without a stand alone data storage device other than my laptop and burnable CD's. The Epson P2000 keeps coming up in recommendations to me and that may be where I look next. Sorry folks but the Ipod is way too slow and battery life too short with no means to recharge while downloading.

Posted by tenx100s on April 13, 2005 at 5:19 PM (PDT) Comment 65
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