The comment on case compatiblity is misleading. I know that for people with 20g 4g Vaja cases, they'll need to buy a new case to fit a "5g" 20g iPod. But Vaja cases are handmade to fit. I would think many other cases will still fit the 20g just fine, if not make for a tighter fit.

Posted by Morvran on June 30, 2005 at 5:04 AM (PDT) Comment 6

I just don`t get why iPodLounge is calling these a 5G.
All the people i know agree this is NOT a 5G we've all been waiting for.

I think it only confuses people.

I`m still waiting for 5G to replace my good old 15gig 3G.

Posted by Unbeliever on June 30, 2005 at 7:01 AM (PDT) Comment 7

After a firmware upgrade my photo 60 is exactly the same as the "new" model. IMO, the "5G" moniker is both unjustified and undesirable.

Posted by Spad on June 30, 2005 at 9:05 AM (PDT) Comment 8

I think they address this as 5G (I consider this 5G) because it's a change in some aspect of the normal iPod-- the 2G and 4G were mainly only changes in the wheel, and this one is a change in the screen.

Posted by anonms on June 30, 2005 at 9:16 AM (PDT) Comment 9

is there any reason for me to return my newly bought ipod 30 gb photo as i bought it a week ago is there any reason that i should get the new 20 or 60 instead cause aparently the 20 gb is the same as the 30 in terms of bulk but 30 ofcourse is bigger but is there a better firm ware update or anything big that i should consider changing my ipod

plz reply asap as times running out thanks

Posted by amad on June 30, 2005 at 10:23 AM (PDT) Comment 10

It is too bad that Apple took away the ability of Smart Playlists to Live Update on the Ipod without resyncing to Itunes.

Owners or 3G Ipods now have more capabilities and features than 4G Ipod owners. This latest firmware upgrade removed this valuable feature from all 4G Ipods, and I am sure it is also disabled on the new Color Pods as well.

This feature used to allow songs to be automatically removed from a playlist based on play date or play count once you played them, and was the only way you could manage a playlist so you did not hear the same song twice.

It is a shame that Apple is taking usefull features away. It is, after all, an MP3 Player, and managing and playing music and playlists should be the most important function of it.

Posted by BuzzardBait on June 30, 2005 at 10:40 AM (PDT) Comment 11

I just ordered a 60 gig IPod Photo from Circuit city and they have it listed as "IPod (60GB)
Part Number: M9830LL/A". This is the same as the new 5th Gen on the Apple site.

I am hoping that I am getting the 5th Gen as opposed to the 4th gen. Can anyone clarify?

Posted by throwrocks on June 30, 2005 at 10:52 AM (PDT) Comment 12

Pinkninky: Because of the added 0.06" thickness of the new 20GB iPod, the best fitting case will be one made for the now discontinued 30GB iPod photo, rather than the previous generation 20GB iPod. Silicone cases for the 20GB iPod will stretch to fit, but alignment of the holes will not necessarily be perfect. Also, the included power adapter is a USB adapter, and will work with the included USB cable.

Amad: Keep your 30.

Regarding the "5G" designation: this is the fifth distinct product to be called "iPod." Don't worry or get too worked up over this - Apple is not going to stop making new (and more revolutionary) iPod hardware, but this name change strongly suggests that whatever comes next will be the "iPod [xxxxx]," not the "iPod."

Posted by Jeremy Horwitz on June 30, 2005 at 11:32 AM (PDT) Comment 13

I agree with other users that this may not be deemed a "Gen 5 iPod". Sure, they added a color screen, made it thicker, and added battery life, so maby it does deserve the title. We could also call it "Gen 4C" for Generation 4 Color.

Now that I think about it, this is a redesign of the gen 4, and is much different.

Posted by P4ipod on June 30, 2005 at 11:44 AM (PDT) Comment 14

I realize this question may become annoying within the next 14 days, but any advice would be greatly appreciated.

My younger sister and I bought 20GB ipods from Circuit City within the last 14 days (we have until Sunday, July 3rd to return them). Now that the new "5G" ipods have been announced, i'm having a small bit of buyer's remorse.

My question is, objectively speaking, is the increased battery life in the new "5G" substantial enough to warrant a return of a recently purchased 4G?

We’re not really concerned with the color screen as we just want it for music. Also, I'm bearing in mind that the new ipod is slightly thicker. Plus, I should point out that Circuit City gave each of us $30.00 gift cards when we bought them, which ultimately means we bought them at $270.00, as opposed to "5G" cost of $300.00 (I'm assuming they're not offering same promotion for the new ipods).

In the end, I really just want to run this by my sister before Sunday to see what she wants to do. $300 to her means a whole lot more than it does to me, and I just want to make sure she gets a good deal. Again, any advice will be appreciated.

Posted by newipod05 on June 30, 2005 at 12:15 PM (PDT) Comment 15

Is the screen the same on these as it is on the first iPod photos? I have one of the older ones on order.

Posted by klwdallas on June 30, 2005 at 12:25 PM (PDT) Comment 16

5th gen my arse! these are stil 4th gen im my eyes. i bought my 4th gen 20 gig about 10 months ago and i feel the use i have got out of it outweighs the benefits of a the coula screen but i feel for people who bought one a few months ago, especially those with their names engraved on them

Posted by craigowen89 on June 30, 2005 at 1:23 PM (PDT) Comment 17

newipod05, you should just keep the ipods you have since you are not concerned with color screen. Go to circuit city and get a price match as they are now selling your 4g ipods for 269.00 (your bonus gift card has nothing to do with the price you paid).
So after the price match you will have new ipods for for a total of 239.00!

Posted by dukka on June 30, 2005 at 2:41 PM (PDT) Comment 18

the "big reason" for calling these 5G is the price drop + addition of a color screen. any questions?

Posted by the_commanche on June 30, 2005 at 3:12 PM (PDT) Comment 19

Well if you go that route the_commanche, then a simple price drop should mark a whole new gen, no?

Since iPod Photo was the same as these 20/60 so-called 5G. Same battery life, sam screen, same interface.

I'm still waiting for a real 5G. iPL can call these whatever they want.

Posted by Unbeliever on June 30, 2005 at 3:26 PM (PDT) Comment 20

I think the real reason it's being called the 5g is because it seems to be all apple is gonna release this year in terms of new full fledged ipods, I think that all colour screen ipods(original 30/40/60 photos) can now be deemed 5g ipods, people were never sure but this seems to be it, it was just a long transition into a new generation.

Posted by Enigma on June 30, 2005 at 3:44 PM (PDT) Comment 21

As far as cases go, all of Speck's cases should still fit.

Posted by anonms on June 30, 2005 at 10:11 PM (PDT) Comment 22

How did you test the battery life ? Switch the damn thing on and just look at it for 17 hours ? Listen to the same track continuously for 17 hours ? Details please....

Posted by Karl Hungus on July 1, 2005 at 1:17 AM (PDT) Comment 23

Am I the only one here who thinks that going from a 30GB to a 20GB model, charging basically the same price and calling it an upgrade is questionable?

Also your statement about compatibility leaves out an important fact. People should know that the 60GB Ipod has the poorest 3rd party support of all ipods. You will greatly limit the amount of cases you can buy, forget about armsbands, and watch out for accessories with a dock. If there is one thing I regret about my 60GB model its the lack of compatibility that it has.

And finally I think you conclusion was more about looking for something/anything positive to say than anything else. I realize this is a site devoted to marketing/promoting/celebrating Ipods, but the price drop for the 60GB model is the only thing of note IMHO. The 20GB model going color is more about losing a thinner lighter model and 10GB vs how much "better" it now is. If I didn't need the space I'd ditch my 60GB Ipod Photo for for an "older" 20GB 4G in a heartbeat.

Posted by mesostinky on July 1, 2005 at 7:01 AM (PDT) Comment 24

quick question, is there a physcial weight or width difference in the 20GB and 30GB colored screened ipods?

Posted by BlueSIm on July 1, 2005 at 7:20 AM (PDT) Comment 25

Wow. I 'm glad I bought the 30 gig Photo back in March. I'm half way or less through ripping my CD's (most at 160, a very few higher or lossless), I'm keeping a new podcast novel, "Earthcore" (decent story, entetaining) on board, and I have a couple hundred ipod/tv format photos on board. I'm up to about 10 gigs. I can see most of 30 gigs getting used up by year's end, definitely more than 20 gigs. Sure I could not store everything on my ipod, but it makes management easier if I just automaticly update, and it's not like the extra data weighs more... Personally, 30 gigs is the right size.

Posted by MotoTrojan on July 1, 2005 at 7:57 AM (PDT) Comment 26

Karl (great Lebowski reference): Our recent battery tests always use the same formula, which we've detailed in past articles - iPod set on 50% volume level, standard earbuds attached, randomized (shuffle songs) playback chosen on large library of songs with varying bitrates and lengths, no equalizers turned on, very minimal use of backlight (when unit turns on, has settings applied). It's essentially a test of maximum continuous playtime.

Meso: "Questionable" is a fair word, but it doesn't change the fact that today's "iPods" are significantly better than last year's, both in features and in value. It's a measure of the relentless advancement of the family that some people would today roll their eyes at a $399, color 60GB iPod when only last year Apple was selling a black-and-white 40GB iPod at the same price. Ditto on today's $299 iPod. Premium features at an affordable price. That's a win for consumers.

Regarding the 60GB iPod, "greatly limit" is a fairly significant overstatement. We've tested the majority of cases that have been released for the various iPods, and very few companies have passed on supporting the 60GB model. The bigger question - and one that has dogged all full-sized iPods since the release of the iPod mini, and the iPod shuffle - is whether people really want to exercise wearing something with the footprint of any larger iPod.

Also, we're not a site devoted to marketing iPods. If we thought that these iPods were unimpressive, we'd say so.

Blue: They're the same.

Posted by Jeremy Horwitz on July 1, 2005 at 9:43 AM (PDT) Comment 27

Just to be clear: the 20 (regular and U2) is still thinner than the 60 (and 30) models.

Too bad it's slightly thicker than the old 20, but not much--and you get extra battery life.

Plus there's always the Mini... can't wait for a color screen in that.

Posted by Nagromme on July 1, 2005 at 11:04 AM (PDT) Comment 28

If we can agree that the iPod photo was not included in the generations of the iPod, as the shuffle, and mini aren't either, then the new iPod is a generation ahead of the 4G monochromatic iPod, and therefore would be 5G.

I know that Apple has said that it is still a 4G iPod, but I disagree.

Posted by Impulse29 on July 1, 2005 at 1:52 PM (PDT) Comment 29


If Apple considers their latest products still part of the 4G model, who is anyone to argue with that?

Manufacturers are constantly updating and upgrading their products, and the generation type still remains intact. Automobiles are the most obvious example. Cars are constantly getting upgades, some quite significant, and yet the manufacturer still considers them the same generation design. Apple is certainly entitled to do the same (which BTW do I agree with).

Posted by flatline response on July 1, 2005 at 4:39 PM (PDT) Comment 30
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