Great review, having had all gen's 1-4 it is a shame about the loss of the remote port. I need it for use on my motorcycle . The new 5g is beautiful.To bad I can't use it !!!

Posted by Brads214 on October 20, 2005 at 8:02 AM (PDT) Comment 6

People keep complaining about the screen. Work it out....bigger screen = bigger ipod..

Why would you want that?

Its nots a Video iPod, its an iPod that supports video playback.
And that is actaully different

Posted by PS65 on October 20, 2005 at 9:06 AM (PDT) Comment 7

Great reveiw lounge,

the Audio segment is great stuff.

i wish apple would have upgraded the

capacity and battery a little more though.

ah, maybe a little later.

Posted by Apple_iPod on October 20, 2005 at 9:41 AM (PDT) Comment 8

Webby: There is a difference between "good" and "great" and "ideal." Yes, it's good. Not great. And we'd like to be able to choose what sort of video content we'd like to watch on it without the artificial restriction of "pick short clips because that's what it can handle."

PS65: The ways to get a bigger screen onto an existing iPod footprint are these: (1) change the device's orientation permanently or temporarily to horizontal, (2) offload Click Wheel onto a remote control and use entire face of iPod for screen, or (3) integrate Click Wheel into screen with touchscreen surface.

Posted by Jeremy Horwitz on October 20, 2005 at 9:57 AM (PDT) Comment 9

Great review as always Jeremy.

I'm still uncomfortable with the comparisons to the PSP and Vision, although I do see why you guys have been doing it since the release last week. Especially, the PSP.

Posted by on October 20, 2005 at 10:12 AM (PDT) Comment 10

lol the ipod itself is absolutly NOTHING compared to the mp3 player Microsoft is comming out with in 2006. Just wait and see, oh boy oh boy!

Posted by Gamblor on October 20, 2005 at 10:46 AM (PDT) Comment 11

What MP3 player would this be then Gamblor? I'm intrigued... If it really will be better than the iPod, as you said, then I am very, very intrigued. I have a strong feeling that your words are just someone wishing that Microsoft's new player will, this time around, actually be the legendary "iPod killer" and not just another flunk like all the other attempts. We'll see.

Posted by louispavlo on October 20, 2005 at 11:45 AM (PDT) Comment 12

Great reveiw Jeremy, I appreciate the forethought shown by having the collapsable menus system i read the whole thing but i understand why some wouldn't so good job. Also is there any indication yet whether the iTalk that will be compatible with the 5G will have the digital gain adjustment expected in a upcoming iteration or if it will be a rushed one first that is the current model but compatible? Gamblor you wouldn't happen to live in Redmond,WA would you?

Posted by JuanoTejano on October 20, 2005 at 12:01 PM (PDT) Comment 13

robreams, I had the same question. Looks like it can't...

Posted by mpb2000 on October 20, 2005 at 12:02 PM (PDT) Comment 14

If I had designed this iPod, I would have left it the same thickness and about tripled the battery capacity.

Posted by LukeA on October 20, 2005 at 12:17 PM (PDT) Comment 15

Jeremy, nice job! A ton of data, don't know how you do it. Thanks for another great distillation of the changes to the 5G iPod.

It will be most interesting to follow the video saga as it unfolds.

My 5G 60GB is shipping today.

Posted by runningman on October 20, 2005 at 12:52 PM (PDT) Comment 16

There couldn'e BE a "great" video iPod now. It would flop no matter what.

Apple is moving into video in the way that makes sense.

Posted by Nagromme on October 20, 2005 at 12:52 PM (PDT) Comment 17

Hey- they were able to play 720 x 320 24FPS MPEG4 video! That is amazing! That should give great output to a TV set. I bet by cutting to say 640 x XXX, you could minimize artifacting. I don't know the max bitrate you can push through, but with 2-pass encoding I think DVD's could look great in MPEG4 at that resolution...

Posted by madmaxmedia on October 20, 2005 at 12:58 PM (PDT) Comment 18

"We’d like to be able to choose what sort of video content we’d like to watch on it without the artificial restriction of “pick short clips because that’s what it can handle.? -- Without a movie store deal Apple will not want to release an ipod suitable for playing movies. The current ipod suits the current content they can offer on iTunes.

"The ways to get a bigger screen onto an existing iPod footprint are these: (1) change the device’s orientation permanently or temporarily to horizontal, (2) offload Click Wheel onto a remote control and use entire face of iPod for screen, or (3) integrate Click Wheel into screen with touchscreen surface." -- Jeremy, no offence but those are bad ideas.

A touchscreen will be a lot more expansive to make so the current price points will not be maintained. You will have fingerprints on your screen that you want to view so badly. And lastly, you won't have any feedback like you have now from the clickwheel.

A remote control is not an elegant solution, and a clickwheel is in large part what makes an ipod an ipod.

Making it horizontal like the many mockups that have been flowing around before the 5G's were introduced is the only logical idea you listed.

However, if the current ipods screen is 2.5" and 320x240... you can double it to 5" and 640x480, and that will equal DVD resolution and will be VERY watchable. Good enough for movies. And you still won't have to change the formfactor of the ipods, you can fit a 5" screen on there.

Jeremy, you wrote a great review and of course I understand and want the same things as you. But video is a whole diffrent thing from audio, up till now it has not been proven yet that there exists a market for it. And that is what steve is doing with this ipod, the key to all of this is the content.

His going to sell a few million of the new full sized ipods, look over the stats from the itunes video store and then show them to the movie studios and say: "look guys, here you go this proves it, people want portable video, people will rather have digital distribution, I can make this work like I did with music." Then his going to sign a deal to be able to provide a very broad range of video content, lots of TV, movies... and intro the new, ipod (this time his going to say "video ipod") with itunes 7.

Would you rather he do this right and wait an extra year or come out with something early that's rushed and incomplete?

The real problems with this ipods are the battery life (that needs to go up now that it plays a little video), and the lack of support for other formats.

I think that if you didn't have to convert your videos and would have gotten an hour or two more of video playback you would have given it an A, or maybe an A+ even.

Eugene. (.(JavaScript must be enabled to view this email address) if you want)

Posted by webby on October 20, 2005 at 1:54 PM (PDT) Comment 19


We know what Apple's goal is with this, and we are not in any way saying that it is a bad strategy. But to answer your question directly:

"Would you rather he do this right and wait an extra year or come out with something early that’s rushed and incomplete?"

The answer is, "do this right." To us, right is a somewhat larger widescreen with higher resolution display capability and higher resolution output capability, with considerably wider format support.

Those three suggestions aren't meant to be equal or ideal, but of the three of them, the horizontal one does make the most sense. Re: the touchscreen, entirely agreed, but have you seen a black nano or 5G yet? Is there a difference any more? grin

It would unquestionably have been a better product if it supported more video formats. Battery life? Just make it user-swappable and we'll be happy (as will everyone else). And a flat A? Needs a better screen. A+? Needs to be $199. grin

Posted by Jeremy Horwitz on October 20, 2005 at 3:20 PM (PDT) Comment 20

Two things smile
1. iPod screen 4:3 vs PSP 16:9 - home made videos from tv shows/films. For me 4:3 sounds OK and it looks that it's the same size (4:3) like in PSP.
2. What about creating Videos (MP4) with ffmpeg software. It's thousand times faster than QT 7 export to iPod function. I'm using PSPvideo9 software smile for generating MP4 files. Please check it for me, if it's works .... i'm buying an iPod smile

Posted by TomekA on October 20, 2005 at 3:24 PM (PDT) Comment 21


"the touchscreen, entirely agreed, but have you seen a black nano or 5G yet? Is there a difference any more? grin" --Didn't get this part. Sorry, heh. grin

In your review of the 4G color ipod last year you gave it an A. Your cons were: "Photo display initially requires extended sync process, add-ons required to download photos directly from a camera, or display photos on a TV. Still no way for users to easily replace battery."

All of that is all still the same, plus the discontinuation of top-mounting accessory port and that it no longer includes a wall charger.

For first time ipod users the top accessory port doesn't mean anything.

So the faults are slow sync and that you need to get an accessory for TV-out and to transfer photos right from the camera.

However you get more storage space, in a slimmer case with a big screen. (and better audio as well as audio fixes)

Shouldn't it, with that tradeoff, at least stay at the same score as last year for first time users?

I don't think having a *bigger* screen then last year is a con because its not a dedicated video device.

As for format support, with that I can agree but some might be added with a firmware update if things go well, and my point still stands: It's better then last years ipod in all aspects. Shouldn't it at least have the same score?

The video as you said looks fine on the screen. This is still not the video ipod.

I'm being a pain in the ### here, I know. raspberry

Posted by webby on October 20, 2005 at 3:51 PM (PDT) Comment 22

Two things I left out:

How about scratches? I've been told its better then the 4G's not worse, and not at all like the nano.

Battery: I have to disagree. Having a replaceable battery means having something to pop open, it will detract from the beauty of the ipod.

Posted by webby on October 20, 2005 at 3:56 PM (PDT) Comment 23

does anyone know if BTI's external battery works with the 5G ipod?


Posted by baxter on October 20, 2005 at 4:12 PM (PDT) Comment 24

it would be great if yall put the review in a format that could be downloaded so i could read it latter or if im away from the internet but deffinatly a good reveiw help me out alot

Posted by BIGP on October 20, 2005 at 4:18 PM (PDT) Comment 25

Congratulations Jeremy for this fantastic review.

I agree that the video size is one of the weak points of the 5G iPod. Also, at the same time, the audio tracks in iTMS would greatly benefit from a bitrate upgrade.

So, how about asking a combo question directly to the iPod/iTunes people, or Apple PR? It would be great to know if 192 Kbps AAC or Apple Lossless tunes are being considered for audio, and if better screen resolutions or combo presets are considered to the video content.

The worst it can happen is that they could say they won't comment on this, but they certainly won't bite! Even if they give you a generic or an incomplete answer, that could certainly offer us some useful perspectives and help us in our buying choices.

Posted by Azumi on October 20, 2005 at 4:54 PM (PDT) Comment 26

Great review, Jeremy. However, I noticed that you did not touch on the following.

The 5G appears to be less responsive as compared with other hard drive based ipods. I've noticed it's less responsive when switching songs and pausing and playing video and songs. It is also less responsive when it comes to showing album art. then again, maybe it's just me or my 5g.

You had mentioned in your Techie Q&A that the new ipod has some new power management features and delay in playing videos might be an example of this new feature. Is it just me or is this ipod less responsive than other hard drive based ipods?

Posted by maneufeld on October 20, 2005 at 5:05 PM (PDT) Comment 27

iPODs like the G4 needed to be connected to a wall charger after a firmware upgrade to complete it, right?
Since a wall charger isn't included in the package, do you know if Apple changed that, or will my iPOD be unusable after a firmware upgrade, and I'll have to rush and buy a charger?

Posted by beatoven on October 20, 2005 at 5:48 PM (PDT) Comment 28

i agree with webbys coment on the

replaceable battery, but

i dont understand whey they couldnt use that

30% or whatever to increse battery life?

sure its neat thin but come on.

Posted by Apple_iPod on October 20, 2005 at 6:12 PM (PDT) Comment 29

does the new ipod scratch as easily as the nano and any news on an iskin case???

Posted by bigal on October 20, 2005 at 6:56 PM (PDT) Comment 30
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